Apoist Apologizes for the Armenian Genocide

[spartacus]

@ SPartacusempty words. why do you think that the mass trial in turkey is called the KCK trial? Turkey has already admitted that there is a system within the system soon. And Turkey have to accept this system as well because the people is already using this system. Turkey cant bring any more teacher from turkish cities to teach turkish in the kurdish cities because the don't dare to come to colemerg anymore.

And if tomorrow the roadmap and agreements between Öcalan and Turkey are unveiled, in which he would claim that autonomy should be forgotten, and the fate of Kurds is within a united democratic republic where Turks and Kurds will live like brothers, etc., what will you say ?

Science-fiction ? It is already happened several times and PKK-DEHAP-etc. agreed with the same enthusiasm and claimed that Turkish-Kurdish Brotherhood was the real future of Kurds.

So as so long as the real content of actual negotiations is hidden, PKK supporters should not be sure that this so-called autonomy (and autonomy is not independence) won't finish in the garbage of History…

There has been negotiations before and the road map is out there, the road map is the KCK system. and i have not said that autonomy is independence don't put words into my mouth pls. i don't want to speculate on what will happen in the future, all i know is that the KCK system is a reasonable system for the kurds. It is not true the PKK is overoptimistic about the negations and it is not because of ocalan it is because of the seriousness of the turkish side.

[Piling]

There has been negotiations before and the road map is out there, the road map is the KCK system.

Why, then, thousands of KCK members have been arrested, are in jail and in trial because of their KCK membership, if Erdogan's government agreed on that with Öcalan ?

[spartacus]

There has been negotiations before and the road map is out there, the road map is the KCK system.

Why, then, thousands of KCK members have been arrested, are in jail and in trial because of their KCK membership, if Erdogan's government agreed on that with Öcalan ?

i think you that you have misunderstand my comment, turkish government has not agreed on this. but there is negations on peace in NK. and what PKK wants is the KCK system NK.

[Fire]

If Pkk or Öcalan wanted or want an United Democratic republic where Turks and Kurds live together in Peace, why do PKK still fight then or why do they exist? Kurds or Alevi People in Turkey are mostly accepted in the society, you don't have a Problem Walking through Istanbul or Izmir as a Kurd, speaking Kurdish or listen Kurdish Music loudly or whatever. I see it with my own eyes.

The OFFICIAL AIM or Claim of PKK is Kurdish Autonomy which means Independence and self Determination of Kurds over the traditional Kurdish Homelands. This is first of all a FACT. But I guess, the PKK critics will accuse them that they lie because they are obsessed with their hate. PKK fight for the Kurdish Autonomy like lions, since 30 years, they devote their whole life and sacrifice themselves for our Nation.

And I still didn't see an answer concerning my question. I asked the PKK critics what they want instead of PKK. And what their idea and tactic is how to beat the worlds most racist Country and second strongest natocountry and that there is still the Point that 99,999 % of the subhuman turks are against you and would like to kill you.

I'm waiting for your legendary answers.

[Cewlik]

Kurds or Alevi People in Turkey are mostly accepted in the society

In which planet do you live? Kurds are regularly under the attack of the terrorist turkish state and racist turkish groups. Not only in Turkey, even in the diaspora like in Paris.

I asked the PKK critics what they want instead of PKK. And what their idea and tactic is how to beat the worlds most racist Country and second strongest natocountry and that there is still the Point that 99,999 % of the subhuman turks are against you and would like to kill you.

If a group in Kurdistan starts a armed struggle, it should only be for independence or autonomy. Not for failed personal ideologies, that was created under the pressure of Turkey. A Party can not follow a man who is in the hands of the enemy and is openly used by them.

Öcalans time is over, he is a toy of turkey and they use him to to harm the Kurdish struggle. Its time for a new independent Kurdish movement in north Kurdistan that is not focused on one person and his failed ideology.

[Fire]

I didn't mention the Turkish state. I just said that in big cities like Istanbul where many Kurds live they are forced to get along half decently. Even if they hate each other. They have no other choice. And you don't have to explain me that Turks and the Turkish state are our biggest enemy and I'm especially the one who always mention this.

The Point is. PKK fights for Kurdish autonomy and Indepedence. That's the official aim and Claim of PKK which you always omit. They always mention this. If PKK would only fight for Öcalan, they had gave up for a Long time and stop the fight. They fight for me and you, for the Kurdish People, for Kurdish self Determination. I hope, the day will come, where you and the others will realize and recognize that.

[Shirko]

And I still didn't see an answer concerning my question. I asked the PKK critics what they want instead of PKK. And what their idea and tactic is how to beat the worlds most racist Country and second strongest natocountry and that there is still the Point that 99,999 % of the subhuman turks are against you and would like to kill you.

I'm waiting for your legendary answers.

like you said, Turkey is a strong military Nato country, they have political and economic strength too, not dealing with sanctioned and/or weak Iran, Iraq or Syria. Fighting them with an organization that is classified as a terrorist group (hopefully that can change) and the leader and founder in there jail, seems hard to do but still possible.

[Shirko]

Who really knows, and im not a PKK critic.

[Anthea]

...and economic strength...

Economic strength from all the KURDISH oil which it is using to kill yet more Kurds

...an organization that is classified as a terrorist group

The PKK was classified as a terrorist group NOT at the hight of it's fighting. It was classified as a terrorist group when it was starting to receive international recognition. PKK representatives were starting to hold meeting with MPs, they were being listened to. They were classified as a terrorist group in order to SILENCE them

...and the leader and founder in there jail

In jail while other freedom fighters, including other Kurdish freedom fighters, receive world recognition

[talsor]

If Pkk or Öcalan wanted or want an United Democratic republic where Turks and Kurds live together in Peace, why do PKK still fight then or why do they exist? Kurds or Alevi People in Turkey are mostly accepted in the society, you don't have a Problem Walking through Istanbul or Izmir as a Kurd, speaking Kurdish or listen Kurdish Music loudly or whatever. I see it with my own eyes.

Turkey is a democracy now ? huh

The OFFICIAL AIM or Claim of PKK is Kurdish Autonomy which means Independence and self Determination of Kurds over the traditional Kurdish Homelands. This is first of all a FACT. But I guess, the PKK critics will accuse them that they lie because they are obsessed with their hate. PKK fight for the Kurdish Autonomy like lions, since 30 years, they devote their whole life and sacrifice themselves for our Nation.

I still hope that is true , although you must admit that they are putting APO ahead of Kurdistan .

And I still didn't see an answer concerning my question. I asked the PKK critics what they want instead of PKK. And what their idea and tactic is how to beat the worlds most racist Country and second strongest natocountry and that there is still the Point that 99,999 % of the subhuman turks are against you and would like to kill you.
I'm waiting for your legendary answers.

As I mentioned before PKK can not be replaced and anyone who think in term is a fool . I will point out what annoys lots of Kurds about PKK and their supporter and I hope you will take the critisizim with open arms .

1+No Kurdistan flag and I can not emphasize this point enough since the flag among other thing is what unite us . PKK even went as far as replacing the Kurdistan flag with their own version which angered many kurds from other parts of Kurdistan .

2-Turkish language : Enough with this bloody language for God's sake . Even those who are from other parts of Kurdistan are forced learn turkish from them which is embarrassing . As an organization fighting for Kurdish right there is little or no emphasis on kurdish language which is a shame .

3-APO flags : I mean seriously what century do we live in ? Many kurds including me stopped attending their rallies and demonstrations because of Apo's flags . There are so many of them to the point that for an outsider APO is the cause not Kurdistan .

4-Hostility : PKK and their hard core supporters are known for their hostility towards anyone who criticize them or does not agree with them . Anyone who does not agree with them is a turkish agent .

5-Cult like mentality : where Apo is a God like figure and we must all do what he say even if it makes no sense for a 5 years old .

[Anthea]

2-Turkish language : Enough with this bloody language for God's sake . Even those who are from other parts of Kurdistan are forced learn turkish from them which is embarrassing . As an organization fighting for Kurdish right there is little or no emphasis on kurdish language which is a shame.

The PKK freedom fighters are taught Kurdish, probably Kurmanci, in their camps