Apoist Apologizes for the Armenian Genocide

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This PKK Haters/Bashers and Barzani Lovers like Cewlik and Pilling are not even able to understand Leader APO. The only important thing for them are national borders. They don't care what happens inside this borders. When APO said that he is against the indepedence of SK was because of the fact that he doesn't want a Kurdistan under the control of America or NATO. The only reason why the whole NATO and especially Turkey of course are fighting against PKK is because the North Kurds want a real Kurdistan, a democratic Kurdistan IN THE HANDS OF KURDS, not in the Hands of American or any other Country. This is real Self Determination. And if you don't even understand this of course you don't and can't understand PKK.

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The only important thing for them are national borders.

it is important also for S. Kurds. And what Öcalan wants or does not want for S. Kurdistan is not his own business. It is the right of S. Kurds to decide for their own fate and if there would be a referendum about independence, they would answer YES and they don't care of Öcalan's moods.

Moreover Öcalan is completely in Turkey's power and then the PKK also so it is funny to claim it wants real independence.

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Just took one sentence of my comment and leave the residual out. Yes,very well done

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Ok, another sentence :

The only reason why the whole NATO and especially Turkey of course are fighting against PKK is because the North Kurds want a real Kurdistan, a democratic Kurdistan IN THE HANDS OF KURDS, not in the Hands of American or any other Country.

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Let's wait for what Öcalan did agree with Hakan Fidan, what is the real road-map of actual negotiations. And when we know, we could debate about what the democratic Kurdistan in the hands of Turks in N.K brings more to the Kurds than KRG.

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Not a question of being from South, North or from diaspora, but a rivalry between parties, When Öcalan states that he is against the independence of S. K., it is only because he will never be the leader of that republic.

wich republic are you talking about?
and yeah right maybe he was jealous, like everyone thats is concerned about KRGs politics must be because of jealousy.

[Cewlik]

When APO said that he is against the indepedence of SK was because of the fact that he doesn't want a Kurdistan under the control of America or NATO.

Or Öcalan said that because he was so scared in the prison, the same reason why he said that his mother is a Turk, that he is sorry for what he did, that he was used by outside powers, that he want to work for Turkey etc.

No one can deny the right of the Kurds to independence. This right is dependent on nothing, also not on which direction the Kurdish state will go, pro USA or not or whatever, this right is a fact and can not be denied.

This unrealistic, failed and not recognized system of Democratic autonomy have nothing to do with self-determination for the Kurdish people. It is a system that is against National states or formations. They just fight for a communist Turkey and Middel East and they fight against imperialism and the west and they let the Kurds fight and die for that.

Öcalan is in Turkeys hand, he created this failed communist system of democratic autonomy in the turkish prision under turkish pressure and influence. And no Apoci even questioned this failed shit system which came from a turkish prison and which is an insult for a nation of 40 Million Kurds and all the Kurdish martyrs.

South Kurdistan achieved more than Apocis ever want to achieve for Kurdistan.

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When APO said that he is against the indepedence of SK was because of the fact that he doesn't want a Kurdistan under the control of America or NATO.

Or Öcalan said that because he was so scared in the prison, the same reason why he said that his mother is a Turk, that he is sorry for what he did, that he was used by outside powers, that he want to work for Turkey etc.

No one can deny the right of the Kurds to independence. This right is dependent on nothing, also not on which direction the Kurdish state will go, pro USA or not or whatever, this right is a fact and can not be denied.

This unrealistic, failed and not recognized system of Democratic autonomy have nothing to do with self-determination for the Kurdish people. It is a system that is against National states or formations. They just fight for a communist Turkey and Middel East and they fight against imperialism and the west and they let the Kurds fight and die for that.

Öcalan is in Turkeys hand, he created this failed communist system of democratic autonomy in the turkish prision under turkish pressure and influence. And no Apoci even questioned this failed shit system which came from a turkish prison and which is an insult for a nation of 40 Million Kurds and all the Kurdish martyrs.

South Kurdistan achieved more than Apocis ever want to achieve for Kurdistan.

i dont no why you have to use insults in your comments, if you want to make a point just use facts instead.
every western journalist that was on ocalans court and it was not many allowed. has said one thing, and that is that they saw how ocalan had been drugged. what ocalan say ore did not say when turks had drugged him doesn't change my view on him.

the kck system has not been used any where else so it can not have been failed.The thing is that none of the bigger parties has said that they want independence, and here you are complaining about pkk because they dont want to lie to the people, what a hypocrisy. Barzani has been saying few times that he is thinking about independence to collect some nationalist points from maybe people like, but it is not in his parties programme. Most of the parties want some sort of a federal autonomy because right now it is the most realistic thing to call for. And bashur has all the potentials in the world right now to announce independence, they even have support from usa and turkey but they are not calling for independence.

sk has achieved nepotism just take a look at the list that i posted earlier.

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Can one of you Pro PKK guys kindly explain what "democratic Autonomy" mean ? and how is it better than autonomy or independence ?

please avoid copy and past .

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Pro PKK Guys. Lol, even this phrases. These are sentences which divide Kurds. Just wanted to say it.
Concerning your question. Democratic Autonomy means a real independent Kurdistan in the Hands of the Kurdish Nation. Not a Kurdistan which is a hotbed for the plunderer western countries who steal our whole prosperity. We don't want to be like Iran under Sah Riza Pehveli who gave nothing to the Iranian Nation but everything to his Western daddies. The whole prosperity, just everything in Kurdistan must belong to the Kurdish People. That's what PKK is fighting for.

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...everything in Kurdistan must belong to the Kurdish People. That's what PKK is fighting for.

That is what the struggle is about - Kurds owning traditional Kurdish homelands without any outside intervention or pressure. Having their own government, their own laws, their own army and sole rights to all the minerals on (and under) their land

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If PKK would be that what Cewlik describes they had ended the fight for a Long time now because Kurds are accepted in Turkish cities. You don't have a Problem Walking through turkish cities ,beeing a Kurd, speaking Kurdish with People and so on. PKK wants Kurdish autonomy, they want the traditional Kurdish Homelands in the Hand of Kurds. They want that Kurds decide about theirselves and about their territory, not the ugly shitty goddamned Turks. It's just a pathetic joke and stupidity to say that they want NK in the Hands of the Turks. Lol, yeah, why does the PKK exist then? Why are they fighting for 30 years now? Just for nothing or what? And why do APO and PKK have so many supporters? Are they all stupid? Are they all want to be controlled by Turks?
Like I said before. This PKK Bashing is pathetic and you know it. And it wouldn't surprise me if some of this Anti PKK People are just little ugly turkish trolls who does this Propaganda in the Name of Kurds.

[Piling]

Concerning your question. Democratic Autonomy means a real independent Kurdistan in the Hands of the Kurdish Nation.

Words words words and just words. But nothing concrete and precise. probably because PKK members themselves do not understand Öcalan's thoughts. And who could do it ? There is no real thoughts. Just empty words.

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Pro PKK Guys. Lol, even this phrases. These are sentences which divide Kurds. Just wanted to say it.

Hevale min , there is nothing wrong with being pro PKK and it is not meant as an insult or labelling . I'm pro PKK , pro PDK , Pro PUK , pro Komala and pro all decent Kurds who are fighting for Kurds and Kurdistan . I just wanted to get an insight about your understanding of "democratic autonomy " nothing more .

Concerning your question. Democratic Autonomy means a real independent Kurdistan in the Hands of the Kurdish Nation. Not a Kurdistan which is a hot bed for the plunderer western countries who steal our whole prosperity. We don't want to be like Iran under Sah Riza Pehveli who gave nothing to the Iranian Nation but everything to his Western daddies. The whole prosperity, just everything in Kurdistan must belong to the Kurdish People. That's what PKK is fighting for.

So you are saying that " Democratic Autonomy " means real independence right ?

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And that coming from you? I try with my average english as much as I can to explain what PKK is fighting for. I don't know what your aim is, I didn't see one good Argument from you in the whole debate. It just seems that you wanna wedge the Kurds and do some spin here and empthy rhetoric.

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@ talsor. Read my comment which I wrote at 12:23 AM. Maybe it will help you. I don't have the time and the Passion to write comments after comments in average english with 10 lines or more to explain you PKK. And there are more than enough sources on other pages and maybe you can go to their internetsite and listen some interviews or read some books of the Guerillas. Then I think, you and the others will understand it. And I would recommend you to listen Kalkan,Karasu or Karayilan. Cause in contrast to you and the others I watch every interview of them and I see what they want for the Kurdish People. And then you will get your answers btw.