PKK/BDP's Real Ideology

[Cewlik]

Deputy Secretary-General of the BDP Gültan Kisanak in front of a Turkish flag, said on the second BDP congress in Amed on Monday 28.01.2013:

We never had a problem with the Turkish flag. We hang the turkish flag on ​​to our meetings and official events. The flag is the common value of this country. [...] In this respect for the turkish flag Kurds have also fought. [...] The Kurds are an important people of this country and which were denied equal rights, have always been seen as a part of this country ..."

http://www.nasname.com/tr/11819.html

See other similar statements of the BDP: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11659

So why do they fight and why Kurds had to die? For the Turkish flag? Öcalan is everything for them and the main reason for their fight. They know that Turkey use Öcalan, but they will still follow him, whatever he says, that is Apoisim a fanatical failed ideology.

And they are against Kurdish nationalists who fight for a free Kurdistan and are not followers of Apoisim.

Now they started the so called "peace talks" with the terror state Turkey. Turkey demanded from Öcalan that he dont should use the words independence, autonomy or democratic autonomy (Öcalans's failed ideology) during the talks and Öcalan accepted it. So we never will hear something about Kurdistan not even something about his failed democraic autonomy, which is officially a self-governing federal democracy, but in real a communist dictatorship like the Soviet Union or Gaddafis Libya, because also Gaddafi said that Libya dont have a president or a ruler, he claimed that every commune in Libya can govern itself, but in real it was dictatorship.

[Anthea]

I think that everyone knows exactly how I feel but just in case Turkish loving Kurds are watching I repeat:

The PKK fighters leave their families and friends behind and risk their lives for the FREEDOM of KURDISTAN. Many thousands had died fighting for that FREEDOM and NO political leader should ever try to negotiate that freedom away

Many once happy playful children have died because of Turkey.
Many mother still cry for sons and daughters who have been murdered by Turkey.
Children have had parents killed by Turkey.

When KURDS living in NK think about giving up all ideas of freedom and say they want to remain living in Turkey remember this:



Now hold this picture in your hand and repeat these words "I love Turkey so much that I want to give up any rights to a Free Kurdistan." Then get down on your KNEES and beg forgiveness from all the THOUSANDS of PROUD Kurds who died fighting for YOUR FREEDOM

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[Fire]

Deputy Secretary-General of the BDP Gültan Kisanak in front of a Turkish flag, said on the second BDP congress in Amed on Monday 28.01.2013:

We never had a problem with the Turkish flag. We hang the turkish flag on ​​to our meetings and official events. The flag is the common value of this country. [...] In this respect for the turkish flag Kurds have also fought. [...] The Kurds are an important people of this country and which were denied equal rights, have always been seen as a part of this country ..."

I always had heavy concerns about BDP but if Kisanak really said this BPD would be definitely over for me. Their peace talking shit every single day despite the fact that Kurds are dying every day are annoying anyway but this statement is a disgrace and an insult for every Kurd who died in the fight against the subhuman turks. I'm a Nationalist Kurd and what my people Need to understand is that we Need MORE ,MUCH MORE PATRIOTISM and NATIONAL PRIDE.

Did a BDP politican ever say, I'm a proud Kurd and we live in this Country for thousands of years whereas you dirty fucking subhuman turks killed greeks, armenians and Kurds and now see Turkey as you property? No, because they doesn't see it this way. BDP want to live together , with our enemies, who are still trying with high modern weapons to kill us, to extinguish us. I mean, 99,9% of the Subhuman turkish population hates us Kurds, they want to destroy us don't even want to allow us to speak our language, they see us as inferior and then BDP is still talking about brotherhood between Kurds and Turks. Lol. It makes me fucking angry at the same time though.

But Cewlik, you shouldn't make the mistake to always mix up BDP with PKK. PKK did many good things for us. Without the PKK the fucking turks and European people wouldn't even know that Kurds exist. Thanks to PKK and APO the whole Kurdish fight started. The Kurdish people were dead, we were subhuman Turks but thanks to PKK and Apo the Kurds recognized that they are KURDS. You can't deny that. And the fact that the subhumanstate try everything what they can to beat PKK Shows that PKK do a good Thing for Kurds. But to say the truth. I don't always agree with PKK. I must say that. There are a couple of things which I critized about them.

But last Thing is. I don't know whether some people of you watched the last couple of interviews with Karayilan. I think, he moved to the right. He speaks very directly and makes very clear that the subhuman state wants to extinguish Kurds and that they are our biggest enemy which the BDP puppets will never say in a Billion years.

[Anthea]

I do NOT know what is happening but I do KNOW that the PKK did NOT used to have the fascist Turkish flags at their meetings

I have often thought that the BDP were working AGAINST the interest of the Kurdish people

The PKK and Ocalan did a FANTASTIC job of waking the Kurds up and reminding that they should be PROUD KURDS, Ocalan himself kept telling the Kurds to learn about KURDISH history, in fact Ocalan's book Of Prison Writings is full of Kurdish history. It is NOT a book written by someone who loves Turks, that book was written to make Kurds PROUD to be Kurdish


That book was not written by someone who wanted Kurds to remain slaves of the Turkish government. The freedom fighters gave up everything and everyone they knew, even their lives for a FREE KURDISTAN. Something is seriously WRONG.

[talsor]

BDP in particular are nothing more than dancers for PKK's Orchestra . Frankly ,I'm sick and tired of all this vanilla talk and how peacefully we can coexist if only Ocalan is released and we are allowed our language rights . I mean seriously what is wrong with these politicians ?

Our slogan has been and will always be "Kurdistan Yan neman " , but these days our politicians talk about flowers and doves while we are being victimized in our own homes which is frankly makes me wanna puke . The day they announced that there are talks with Ocalan , turkish military send over 50 planes and bombed PKK for the entire day and multiple arrests were made in the name of terrorism without a beep from PKK or BDP, so I really do not get it how our people be that naive and have the slightest hope that peaceful talk could actually prevail with barbaric country like turkey ! . These so called politicians should QUIT period , because they are dishonouring us with their none sense .

The fill their prisons with our children .....they talk peace
They kill our youth with Chemical bombs ......they talk peace
They forbid us from using our language .......they talk peace
They assassinate , torture , abuse and dishonour us .....they talk peace

There is nice words in turkish for people like that , but I will leave it to your imagination .

[Bohe]

BDP in particular are nothing more than dancers for PKK's Orchestra . Frankly ,I'm sick and tired of all this vanilla talk and how peacefully we can coexist if only Ocalan is released and we are allowed our language rights . I mean seriously what is wrong with these politicians ?

Our slogan has been and will always be "Kurdistan Yan neman " , but these days our politicians talk about flowers and doves while we are being victimized in our own homes which is frankly makes me wanna puke . The day they announced that there are talks with Ocalan , turkish military send over 50 planes and bombed PKK for the entire day and multiple arrests were made in the name of terrorism without a beep from PKK or BDP, so I really do not get it how our people be that naive and have the slightest hope that peaceful talk could actually prevail with barbaric country like turkey ! . These so called politicians should QUIT period , because they are dishonouring us with their none sense .

The fill their prisons with our children .....they talk peace
They kill our youth with Chemical bombs ......they talk peace
They forbid us from using our language .......they talk peace
They assassinate , torture , abuse and dishonour us .....they talk peace

There is nice words in turkish for people like that , but I will leave it to your imagination .

I agree with much of what you're saying. To offer something that may partly resemble an explanation of the BDP, I think we have to remember just how horribly nationalistic Turkey is and how much the PKK has been demonised. I think the BDP are trying their best not to appear too militant, in that, they have to talk this peace non sense just so the AKP can look stronger for working with "moderates".
If they get too confident, the grey wolves morons (bulk of Turkish society) will be up in arms [more than usual] and Erdogan needs their support - but as you've said quite rightly, the way our politicians talk makes us look weak. Yes we may hold little leverage but we need to be much more vocal about what Turkey stands to lose if they don't negotiate i.e. more war, more deaths. Negotiate from a position of power. Alas, i don't think they have much room for manoeuvring.