Washington rejects proclamation of south Kurdistan state

[RawandKurdistani]

Oh, but I agree with everyone we need to gain independance ourself even if that means losing thousands of lives again, this is what we live for. Either we do it now by force or wait until educated youth rise up ( Similar to what the jews did).

We will have to see what the future hold for us. But one thing's for sure: Kurdistan will be liberated, regardless of how.

[Rando]

i believe the main reason for the war in Iraq (2003) was because iraq didnt want to use dollar as its trade value. US didnt like that since the start of it.
same reason with libya, gaddafi wanted to change libyas trade currency from Euro/Dollar to "golden dinars".
Europe and US couldnt afford that.
Of course,Oil also had a big role in the wars. both countries were huge suppliers of oil,and therefore if they changed their trade currency it would hurt the (already unstable) US/EU economy + They needed to secure the flow of oil to thier huge economies.

But back to the article:
If this is true,i wouldn't be too surprised. Ive always have had my doubts on US`s position in all of this.
Also,none of the kurds (Except for 2-3) ive talked too have ever believed that US would support a independent Kurdistan. They all believe its because of these reasons:
1. Turkey-US alliance (they dont want to anger turkey)
2. They see it as a duty to hold iraq united. They were just in a war there and if iraq were to seperate,US`s reputation would get even worse for the public around the world and they would be seen as the reason for iraqs division.
3. They prefer arabs/turks/persians over kurds

[Cewlik]

1. Turkey-US alliance (they dont want to anger turkey)
2. They see it as a duty to hold iraq united. They were just in a war there and if iraq were to seperate,US`s reputation would get even worse for the public around the world and they would be seen as the reason for iraqs division.
3. They prefer arabs/turks/persians over kurds

There is another reason. The USA dont want a big Shia majority in Iraq which would help Iran. They know without Kurds, the Shias will get the whole power in Iraq, because now only the Kurds prevent a Shia dictatorship.

And a other rason is that the USA knows that Turks and Arabs would make more trouble than Kurds, Kurds are to soft.

[hevalo27]

some day southkurdistan will declare independence with or without us permission. they can decide wheter they will support a kurdish state after proclamation or not. their choice, but we will not need their permission, because this is what kurds want and noone can stop us, prevent us to fight for a state and freedom.

[ideas]

This is bullshit. It may be true from an American point of view but the actual source is bullshit.

[crazyhorse]

This is bullshit. It may be true from an American point of view but the actual source is bullshit.

I don't believe it either.

These are Arabs who wants Kurds to be aginst US /Israel or they want to take away all hope.

Source is not reliable. I don't even consider it a source.

John McCain and more important US Politicians were in KRG meeting Barzani & ExxonMobil is a US company supporting the KRG against Bagdad.
That says enough I guess

[Bahoz]

kaka believe it why not ..they did it before with Kurds! ..don't be so sure that US will do anything for Kurds ..it is sell and buy business! this is politics when US see big deal with others they will leave us for monsters just like they did before though we see little bit change in US politics in middle east and they learn more toward kurds ..but not for your eyes or kurdish eyes it is for their benefits! and if we can play smart then we will move forward...

[crazyhorse]

kaka believe it why not ..they did it before with Kurds! ..don't be so sure that US will do anything for Kurds ..it is sell and buy business! this is politics when US see big deal with others they will leave us for monsters just like they did before though we see little bit change in US politics in middle east and they learn more toward kurds ..but not for your eyes or kurdish eyes it is for their benefits! and if we can play smart then we will move forward...

Not entirely true.

Reason for lack of US support during Uprising of 1991 was the missinterpretation of Senior Bush' message. Everyone thought the uprising would be supported by a massive US attack, but the US army didn't count on the heavy Kurdish resistance against the Ba'ath regime. Basically, we Kurds cleared the entire North on our own and the international community was surprised by this because the Shi'ites, who were with maybe 10 million more than the Kurds, failed to do this in the South.

So the support came later.

But you also forgot that the US established a no-fly zone in Kurdistan and they maintained this for 12 years and there are still military bases for protection.

Between 1991 and 2003, there was nothing to get in Kurdistan for the US. We didn't have our own oil industry like we have now.
Kurdistan was not developed at all, there was no economy and poverty was high. But they still protected us from Saddam.

[crazyhorse]

And that's the problem with us Kurds.
We believe others too damn fast.

Look all of you acting like a bunch of crazy Arabs! We are not like them. Are we really that stupid?
Are we Kurds THAT STUPID that we believe a newsarticle from an unreliable source nobody has ever heard of and act like we are betrayed again?
I am sorry: do we have brains? Where are our brains? Why are you guys drawing conclusions like this? Have you thought about the US support to Kurdistan from 1991 to 2003? Have you thought about the US meetings with Kurdish leaders? Have you thought about the new, bigger United States embassy/consulate thats going to be opened in Erbil (bigger than the one in Baghdad)? Have you thought about ExxonMobil, a major US oil company preferring Kurdistan over Iraq?

What's wrong with you guys!

[Bahoz]

yes yes we thought about all that kaka! take it easy! we didn't say we believe everything got published! we say our opinions about what is published! and we build on past experience so that we don't get bitten again! We know that US is investing in South kurdistan and know also big companies are moving there! but this all can be changed in one day .. We believe that south is heading forward and we want the south kurdistan to move even faster toward complete independence! ...this is good for us all for all kurds! ..no doubt! .. we just say please be careful! don't build on US only! or Europe! . start ties with all major powers ... get recognition of these powers including Israel! ..do you see how Turkish play smart with powers! damn these turks...

[Azamat]

The amount of apologeticism for the USA on the part of Kurds who purport to uphold nationalistic values while auto-destroying that purpose by trying to associate our nation with imperialistic marauders is a disgrace. America has contributed in not a single way to the Kurdish cause whatsoever, their only interest lies with our natural resources that by means of economic domination they with their corporations are intending to plunder while giving nothing in return but oil vouchers and leisure goods to the bourgeois ruling class that has contaminated Southern Kurdistan almost immediately as the Ba'ath threat disappeared, the members of which also allow these foreign corporations to import their culture of decadence to our society that is distracting the youth from our patriotic cause into consumerism and other expressions of low culture that requires one's sense of entitlement and dignity to sink to such a point that this person is undeserving of being regarded as a nationalist.

What the Kurdish leadership in Southern Kurdistan should have been doing since 2003 if they claim to act in accordance to our cause, is the implementation of autarkic policies through the nationalisation of all economic units in the country and the reduction of the private sector to representing a percentage in the economy of 0,00%, opening the way for state-planned mass industrialization that would have liberated us from the suffocating need to rely on foreign aid acquired by fiscal transactions by now, which in turn would have rendered any concern for how the USA or any other power stands in relation to our cause totally irrelevant. We deserve better than the course of our nationalistic pursuits being determined by the consent of self-serving powers, and it's about time that us Kurds came to a proper and profound realization of that.

[Cewlik]

What the Kurdish leadership in Southern Kurdistan should have been doing since 2003 if they claim to act in accordance to our cause, is the implementation of autarkic policies through the nationalisation of all economic units in the country and the reduction of the private sector to representing a percentage in the economy of 0,00%, opening the way for state-planned mass industrialization

Dangerous communist ideas. Even China give up this failed ideology and became to a capitalist state, and now they are a world economic power. States like Sovjet Union, Cuba, Northkorea are good examples for how dangerous communisim is.

Communists hate the policy of south Kurdistan, because Kurds have now money, because they can buy something. Communists dont like prosperity, they want a poor dictatorial regime, and that is what they call freedom and real self-determination of the people.

Instead of talking about the situation in Kurdistan, we must listen to such users, who are little kidis who think they can play president.

[Kurdistano]

Is anyone surprised? The message behind this is simply "We will not recognize Kurdistan or declare one for you, you have to declare it by yourself and by time things might change". Its just stupid to rely on other countries supports. Forget about the US and go your own way. Declare independence tomorrow.

[Qonyeyi]

What the Kurdish leadership in Southern Kurdistan should have been doing since 2003 if they claim to act in accordance to our cause, is the implementation of autarkic policies through the nationalisation of all economic units in the country and the reduction of the private sector to representing a percentage in the economy of 0,00%, opening the way for state-planned mass industrialization

Dangerous communist ideas. Even China give up this failed ideology and became to a capitalist state, and now they are a world economic power. States like Sovjet Union, Cuba, Northkorea are good examples for how dangerous communisim is.

Communists hate the policy of south Kurdistan, because Kurds have now money, because they can buy something. Communists dont like prosperity, they want a poor dictatorial regime, and that is what they call freedom and real self-determination of the people.

Instead of talking about the situation in Kurdistan, we must listen to such users, who are little kidis who think they can play president.

You do realise that a country like Cuba only has low economical welfare due to the fact that there is an illegal embargo raised upon them right? Not only from USA, but also from countries close to USA. Otherwise Cuba is a country with a lot of potential. But unfortunately, US-controlled capitalism is empovering the country.

[Cewlik]

You do realise that a country like Cuba only has low economical welfare due to the fact that there is an illegal embargo raised upon them right? Not only from USA, but also from countries close to USA. Otherwise Cuba is a country with a lot of potential. But unfortunately, US-controlled capitalism is empovering the country.

I can understand why USA hates Communists. Its a dictatorial failed system, its like a sect with all their personality cult etc.