Ancient Origins of the Kurds

[jjmuneer]

Parthians were also spread out all over the Iranic empires, but I think they were more concentrated in what today is EK.
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Not think, you must know

the beginning of the parthian empire was in todays turkmenistan, what had your feyli ancestors doing there?

Killing Turkic invading tribes I guess

Well yeh all the Iranic tribes Medes and Scythians etcs all came from modern day Turkimenistan, but remember those lands were completely Europoid(Iranic) populated prior to the later incoming Turkic invasions in the 6 and 7th century.

[hevalo27]

Parthians were also spread out all over the Iranic empires, but I think they were more concentrated in what today is EK.
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Not think, you must know

the beginning of the parthian empire was in todays turkmenistan, what had your feyli ancestors doing there?

Killing Turkic invading tribes I guess

lol, good guys

Well yeh all the Iranic tribes Medes and Scythians etcs all came from modern day Turkimenistan, but remember those lands were completely Europoid(Iranic) populated prior to the later incoming Turkic invasions in the 6 and 7th century.

jes partly true, but i must correct my mistake, parthian was founded in iran

[jjmuneer]

But you have to take into account there was no such thing as Iran back then as a state, there were Iranic empires, and I suppose Parthians only really strongly influenced EK, but the Parthian empire did stretch into SK I believe. Though I suppose the genetic imprint was minimal, as SK seem to exhibit more of the native Hurrian component.

[Kurdistano]

Some of the most typical pointed hats among Kurds. These look very similar to the one worn by the Scythian king Skunkha.




The pointed cap Adham Barzani wears is one of the more typical Badinan/Botan caps and according to the old Iranist Burchard Brentjes, these are the same Scythians in West Asia wore so he comes to the conclusion these Scythians were the ancestors of Badinan/Botan Kurds. It is also very similar to that worn by Sikhs, which are also believed to be descend of Indo-Scythians. The name Sikh seems to be derived from Sakh/Sakha.

[alan131210]

http://www.bianet.org/english/media/140 ... ookshelves

[Tinver]

What about the Alans? http://selenasol.com/selena/struggle/kurds.html

That website, asserts that we are descendants of those.

What about the Hittites, didn't those settle themselves in the Hurrian area and then mixed together and got later aryanized and turned into Medes?

[unitedkurdistan]

What about the Alans? http://selenasol.com/selena/struggle/kurds.html

That website, asserts that we are descendants of those.

What about the Hittites, didn't those settle themselves in the Hurrian area and then mixed together and got later aryanized and turned into Medes?

The link you gave isn't completly right but I learnt some new stuff, thx

[Kurdistano]

What about the Alans? http://selenasol.com/selena/struggle/kurds.html

That website, asserts that we are descendants of those.

What about the Hittites, didn't those settle themselves in the Hurrian area and then mixed together and got later aryanized and turned into Medes?

Alans were just a branch of Scytho-Sarmatians and they also played a major role. Alan is till today a huge Kurdish tribe.

[Tinver]

I'm wondering why there are Kurds in Turkmenistan?

[Kurdistano]

I'm wondering why there are Kurds in Turkmenistan?

They are originally from Urmiya and were settled there by the Shah.

[unitedkurdistan]

I'm wondering why there are Kurds in Turkmenistan?

Yes, infact it was Nader Shah who deported many kurds to northeastern iran/turkmenistan. He truly were a successful leader and achieved alot but non of his victories would have been achieved if it wasn't for his elite(the kurds). High ranking kurds controled many high positions and became governors of cities they had taken, like the mayor of Kandahar was a Kurd. There are alot of talks about his nationality, some say he was persian, some say he was an turkmen who became in love with iran and it's culture but some also talk about the possibility about him being a kurd. Anyway as Kurdistano said he deported the kurds there, their may objective was to stop the invading afghans from the east which they did.

[kardox]

I thought that it was shah Abas Safavid which deported the kurds to Khorasan. They were mostly from the tribe of Celali (Jalali), and it was to prevent Uzbek and other Turkic tribes, not afghans. Maybe several kings placed Kurds in Khorasan. Karim khan-e Zand was also a Kurdish (LEK/lak) commander who served under Nader Shah, and later formed his own state. Persians call him fars, but that is so untrue, since the Zand tribe see themselves as Kurds and Not Persians. Karim khan never attacked Khorasan due to his respect for Nader shah, Khorasan was governed by Nader shahs his nephew Ali Qoli.

[unitedkurdistan]

I thought that it was shah Abas Safavid which deported the kurds to Khorasan. They were mostly from the tribe of Celali (Jalali), and it was to prevent Uzbek and other Turkic tribes, not afghans. Maybe several kings placed Kurds in Khorasan. Karim khan-e Zand was also a Kurdish (LEK/lak) commander who served under Nader Shah, and later formed his own state. Persians call him fars, but that is so untrue, since the Zand tribe see themselves as Kurds and Not Persians. Karim khan never attacked Khorasan due to his respect for Nader shah, Khorasan was governed by Nader shahs his nephew Ali Qoli.

Yes they deported kurds during several occasions for different reasons. Abbas Safavid was the first one as you said to deport. As you say they were brought there to prevent Uzbek and other turks but during Nader Shah he also deported kurds to prevent afghan invasions. Karim Zand was a Kurd yes. Karim Zand became the king of iran after nader shah. I am not sure but I think the shah also deported kurds after the dimdim battle

[Kurdistano]

their may objective was to stop the invading afghans from the east which they did.

##As far as I know they stopped the invading Turkic (Turkmen or Uzbek not sure anymore ) groups from Northeast.

[unitedkurdistan]

their may objective was to stop the invading afghans from the east which they did.

##As far as I know they stopped the invading Turkic (Turkmen or Uzbek not sure anymore ) groups from Northeast.

Yes this was before nader shah during safavid era. But kurds didn't only try to stop the turkic tribes in northeastern iran. But when azeribaiyan was a kurdish principality under rawadid, they along the kurds of marageh fought against the oghuz turkic tribes from coming to their lands.