Kurd Faylis pictures

[kurdistanis1]

JJmuneer, nice topic, but don't overreact to everything(including what I'm writing now ). I personally never knew shias only prayed 3 times a day untill last year, it's ok if people have questions or question your beliefs, so as long as they don't insult you.

[jjmuneer]

JJmuneer, nice topic, but don't overreact to everything(including what I'm writing now ). I personally never knew shias only prayed 3 times a day untill last year, it's ok if people have questions or question your beliefs, so as long as they don't insult you.

I'm not over-reacting, I'm just discussing. What I dislike is when I make a response and people just ignore it or don't respond. That really just ruins the point of discussion forums.

Thanks I guess for the complement.

[jjmuneer]

From Wikipedia and Kurd Fayli website(based in Norway/Sweden I believe):

Jump to: navigation, search Fayli, "Feili", or Feyli Kurds' (Kurdish: فه یلی /Feylî/Pehlî) are largely a Kurdish Shi'a community living in Baghdad and the Diyala Province of Iraq around Khanaqin and Mandali, and across the Iranian border, in the provinces of Ilam, Kermanshah and Luristan. They number an estimated 6.000.000. people. The Fayli Kurds are an important community within the wider Kurdish people.

Faylee (Faylee, Faili, or Feli) are, according to some, part of the Kurdish population in Iraq and an integral part of the Kurdish nation, though others believe they are much more related to Lurs and Persians. This misunderstanding has an historical origin. Pushtkuh (or old name of ilam province) in Iran was under the control of Lur ruler. Their second name was faili or faylee, so because of their injustice and tyranny some of the old ilam inhabitants migrated to Iraq and some were exiled. This is in spite of the fact that ilam residents are not and were not lur and only their homeland was captured by lurs and the lur ruler many centuries controlled this region in their hands, although some of the tourist and writers in the past said that pushtkuh people are lur but this is not true it seems they didn't know that this region is a kurdish region under the control of a lur ruler called vali, they were kurds people with lur ruler. Unfortunately, when faylee kurds entered Iraq were enforced to introduce themselves as faili kurds its mean is the kurds under the control of lur ruler. When we saw a website as a western luristan which is belonged to faili kurds it is surprising because Iranian lur are different from kurds and disagree to be named as kurds and it seems by this site faili kurds try to say that we are from pushtkuh (ilam)or it seems some faili kurds parties try to make a new identity for faili kurds in order to win the election in future because if they use same the word kurdistan instead luristan they can not be winner in election.so,it can be said that they try to show a different root for faili kurd to gain more poll in spite of the facts that there is in Iran about lurs and kurds. It is interesting to know thatin ilam people say we are kurd not lur and in lurestan lurs say we are lur not kurd. Anyway, it should be reminded to faili kurds of Iraq that lur are different from kurds and if in a time lur has been classified as kurds it is because of ilam province which their language is kurdish but during a time was under the control of lur rulers. Faylee have themselves shown, over the years, and still show this fact and reality by words and deeds. They speak Feyli, a dialect that belongs to the kurdish language, which some argue is a dialect of middle Persian. Feyli is spoken particularly on both sides of the border areas between Iraq and Iran .[1]

Feyli speak Gorani, a dialect of the Kurdish language. The roots of the Feyli go back to the Aryan immigrants of the first millennium BC, and more specifically, the Parthian/Pahlawi/Pahlawanid settlements of the 2nd century BC. They embraced Islam in the early stages of the Islamic conquest and colonisation of Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Iran, although archaeological evidence from the Ilam Province in Iran indicates that some proportions of Fayli might have been Nestorian Christians until the 18th Century. The conversion to Shia form of Islam seem to have begun under the Safavid dynasty (1507–1721) of Persia/Iran, Faylis today are primarily Imami Shias like the Persians, Lurs and the Azeris, as well as the majority of the Iraqi Arabs.

In modern times the Feylis have been subject to state persecutions.[2][3] They are considered as a stateless people, with both Iran and Iraq claiming they are citizens of the other country.[4] In the mid 1970s, Iraq expelled around 40,000 Feyli's who had lived for generations near Baghdad and Khanaqin, alleging that they were Iranian nationals.[5]

The origins and linguistic history of the Feyli have been investigated by several notable western scholars, such as Sir John Malcolm, Brown, Laurie, Hassle and Henry Field. Several imaginative, if apocryphal, etymologies for the word "Feyli" have been espoused. In the 13th century, Yaqout al-Hamawi mentions in his book The lexicon of countries (Ar. معجم البلدان Mujam al-Buldan) that the Feylis are those who reside the mountains separating Iran and Iraq. He attributes their name to their size, claiming that they are as huge as "elephants"; the word fil (فيل) means "elephant" in Arabic. Others have claimed that the name goes back to an ancient ruler of the territory. Feyli's have a large population within Baghdad due to disruption among the area. The numbers go from 500,000 to 1,300,000 people. Many people believe that this gives the Kurds the right to press claims on Baghdad and divide the city with Shias and Sunnis if a 3 states solution is created and therefore there have been attempts from KRG to "Kurdize" the Feyli.

However, more likely is the explanation given by M. R. Izady.[6] He claims that the Arabic Feyli is a corruption of Pahla, meaning Parthia, a kingdom based in modern day Iran, contemporaneous with the Roman Empire. The change occurred because Arabic alphabet lacks the letter p, rendering it as an "f" instead (this sound change can also be seen in Palestine/Philistin فلسطين and Persian/فارسي), but sometimes also as a "b". Early Arabic texts recorded the name as Fahla or Bahla, the former of which became the more common, corrupting eventually to Faila, of which the adjective is Faili or Feyli.

Feylis consist of many tribes and clans. Their names are sometimes based on the name of their tribal leader or where they live but sometimes they take vocational names. Here are listed some of them: Ali Sherwan (he was from the tribe of Sanjabi and established Beyrey tribe) tribe and his four sons Cheragh, Safar, Heydar or Hiar, and Dara — each one of these four established a tribe in his name like Cheragh Wandi, Safar Wandi, Hiar Wandi, and Dara Wandi) Malek Shahi tribe Jamal Vandi tribe Ansari tribe Kalhur tribe Zouri or Zhohairi clan Qaitoli clan Khezell or Khaza`al clan Shuhan clan Mousi clan

Ali Sherwan is the name of a prominent Feyli tribe inhabiting mainly Ilam in Iran. Members of the tribe believe themselves to be descendants of Ali Sherwan. Feyli are composed of several clans. Their names can tell about where they are from, what clan they belong and where they live. According to Najm Suleiman Mahdi in his book "The Faily Kurds, Who are they," is the most important Feyli clans following;

Laki, Luri, Kordali, Ali Sherwan consisting of (his four sons/clans Cheragh Wandi, Safar Wandi, Herwandi, Darawandi), Malek Shahi, Jaberi, Ansari, kalhor, Zouri or Zhohairi, Qaitoli, Khezell, Showhan, Mousie, Warkoz, Kalawai, Bolia, Maliman, Zangana, Bakhtiari, Zand, Soria-Mori, Mamsani, Jgangi, Papi, Bojarahmad, Kahlgilija, Mishkhas, Hasanwandi, Pirawandi, Kakwandi, Dinawandi, Dohsan, Zouri, Bawe, Larti, Heni-meni, Qazi, Qalawlaws, Aljoi, Mafi, Warizwand, Amreri, Panchseton, Wazrgoush, Tolabi, Siljurzi, Shola, Qaderhama, and Kaka

[brendar]

Brendar when did I say you said you were stupid? I said you said I was stupid, I was just emphazing on the fact how you insulted me before on your baseless perception of Kurd Feylis. If you want to create tribalism, you will not win, trust me on this.

Anyways what is Arab about it? Shiaism in itself is opposed to the Sunni Arab caliphate. So if you want to talk about who is acting like Arabs, just look no further than yourself. Your Sorani Kurd bretherns are the ones burning Churches and rioting, not the Kurd Fayli. I don't mean this as an insult, nor am I say this is the majority, but I'm simply saying you cannot judge others when you haven't judged yourself first.

You are right, southern kurds or as you call it sorani's were stupid and i mean stupid because they burnt churches, kicked out the christians and jews from kurdistan. Moreover, they killed each other back in the 80's. There is no doubt about that. Kurds have always been killing each other. So what i mean is that lets not call ourselves sorani or badini or feyli or whatever. Lets just say what city we are from. Just like in europe, someone asks where you from? you would say kurdistan and then you could say what city you come from. We shouldn't be asking about our tribes or religion because its nonsense. When arabs meet eachother, the first thing they do is whether your shia or sunna and then the tribe you come from!

Kurds have always been separated because of tribalism.

I have met hundreds of kurds and i have never ever asked them about their religion or their tribe or whatever. All we should care about is a united kurds and kurdistan.

We all know that Kurdistan gov and iraqi gov have forgotton about feyli kurds. But on the other hand, kurdistan is not yet a country and the article of the disputed areas is still not yet implemented. But also feyli kurds should never think that those fascist arabs will ever help them, NO WAY.

By the way, i criticise kurds stiuations with kurds only. I never ever discuss with an arab or a turk. So you dont need to overreact when i criticise something about feyli kurds because feyli's are kurds and we are all kurds so this will not separate us.

A very good thread, keep it up

[ideas]

First of all the riots were in Zakho and they are Bahdini. Secondly what does it matter? stop separating Kurds JJ this is getting ridiculous.

[talsor]

Well sadly I see this still sometimes on Paltalk by extremist Sunni Kurds, they always critisize us purely based on religon.

If a criticisim is purely based on the religious affiliation then it is definitely from a religious Kurds and they do not represent Kurds (see election results ) . Nationalist however criticize fayless for emphasizing the idea of being faylee first and kurd second . The problem with fayless is that they run to kurdistan and claim discrimination for being Kurds and they run to the shias and claim dissemination by kurds for being shia .

[talsor]

Your Sorani Kurd bretherns are the ones burning Churches and rioting, not the Kurd Fayli. I don't mean this as an insult, nor am I say this is the majority, but I'm simply saying you cannot judge others when you haven't judged yourself first.

which church was burned kak JJ ? and how many Christians were killed in Kurdistan due to religious affiliation since the american liberation in 2003 ?

[jjmuneer]

First of all the riots were in Zakho and they are Bahdini. Secondly what does it matter? stop separating Kurds JJ this is getting ridiculous.

Look when I refer to Soranis I mean Southern Kurds, and Kurmancis Northern. Of course if someone would ask me what ethnicitiy I was, I wouldn't go Kurd Fayli, I would just say Kurd. The thing is if they asked me for my tribe, then I would say. There was actually a Ezidi who knew I was a Kurd Fayli, he explained himself, and said there was no difference. That is what respect it. I hope people don't think I can't take critisizism, because I can, but it what some people here say that confuses. When ever people say "Kurd fayli and like arab", it really confuses me in how Southern Kurds can say that lol. I;m not seperating Kurds, but tell me is it wrong to be proud of your tribe? See some of you here do not take pride in your tribe, I'm not saying create tribalism or differences, but have pride. We Pehlis achieved many things, and I am proud of my Parthian ancestors. Is this a crime? Anyways I'm just trying to say if I came across as a tribalist, well I'm not in that sense, but I think people should still use tribal names. Of course with the word Kurd first, anyways I'm sorry if I hurt anyones feeling, but I felt as if members here were attacking me and the Faylis.

[jjmuneer]

Your Sorani Kurd bretherns are the ones burning Churches and rioting, not the Kurd Fayli. I don't mean this as an insult, nor am I say this is the majority, but I'm simply saying you cannot judge others when you haven't judged yourself first.

which church was burned kak JJ ? and how many Christians were killed in Kurdistan due to religious affiliation since the american liberation in 2003 ?

I'm not just talking about post american Liberation, and I don't have specifics, but you know there are extremist South Kurds. There are other things that I won't bring up. You know however there has been discrimination by S Kurds to Kurd Faylis. It is un-deniable, but of course I'm not saying it is the majority. So you cannot say Kurd Faylis who do not idenitfy as Kurdish is the majority.

[jjmuneer]

Well sadly I see this still sometimes on Paltalk by extremist Sunni Kurds, they always critisize us purely based on religon.

If a criticisim is purely based on the religious affiliation then it is definitely from a religious Kurds and they do not represent Kurds (see election results ) . Nationalist however criticize fayless for emphasizing the idea of being faylee first and kurd second . The problem with fayless is that they run to kurdistan and claim discrimination for being Kurds and they run to the shias and claim dissemination by kurds for being shia .

What so were not discriminated against? When did the KRG help us? Name me one time, just one. Why do people think they can justify or be-little any forms of sufferring or injustice? I know your saying this as a Sorani Kurd, and you cannot deny it doesn't effect your jdugement about us. Not claiming that your against us, but again you can't keep saying this is the majority.

Let me clarify something, we Kurd Pahlis have different ancestry from other Kurds. That is the only reason we say Kurd Faylis, and let me make some clear we do not say Fayli first, but Kurd. Anyways is there anything wrong in say Kurd Fayli or Pahli? I mean I really don't see how it is divided.
So if you don't want us to be Kurds or you don't want us to be apart of Kurdistan, then its ok by me, but you don't come complaining about Kurd Faylis not being nationalists. Anyways I know what you mean bro, but if your really tolerant just tolerate how we express ourselves, and we will do the same.

[jjmuneer]

[talsor]

Why is this images of Iranian solider posted here ? are you for real ? I do not care if they are kurds or faylee kurds or what they might be , but those who defend the Iranian regime are not kurds .I will give you a chance to explain , othere wise I will edit your post and delete these hideous pictures .

[Kurdistano]

Kak jjmuneer , can you post the actual video ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggCRBpof6I&feature=g-user-u
There are more in his channel.

Sorry but this Kurds in the video seem totally arabified politically. Even the background music is Arabic. I almost became sick when I saw the Iraqi map.

[jjmuneer]

Kak jjmuneer , can you post the actual video ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggCRBpof6I&feature=g-user-u
There are more in his channel.

Sorry but this Kurds in the video seem totally arabified politically. Even the background music is Arabic. I almost became sick when I saw the Iraqi map.

You do realise there not all Kurds. As I said that was an international conference for all Iraqi parties. Please then point me out the Kurds in that video if you think they are Kurdish all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnHl-Jhr9I&feature=plcp

[talsor]

@ JJmuneer
Please stop associating us with Iranian and Iraqis . I do not know if you understand it or not , but any sort of connection with these people is degrading to kurds and Kurdistan . The faylee's association with arabs and Iranian might be a norm for you , but it is not for most if not all those who call themselves kurds and kurdistanis .

Frankly images like this and some othere you posted are embarrassing and has nothing to do with Kurdistan . Now feel free to post stuff like this in the religion section , but do not get upset or claim discrimination when people dislike it or disagree with arab/iranian/fayless stuff you post .