Ancient Origins of the Kurds

[talsor]

I saw your thread bro. I want to add some other stuff about our ancestors, but since I'm banned from that site I can't do it.

If I was active on that site I would add some info about the Mannaeans & Matiene.

According to me most Kurds can search their ancestry in the folks.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannaeans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matieni

Your ban was not for life , It was for one week . Welcome back

No you don't understand me. An Assyrian banned me for life on Anthropology Biodiversity Forum (ABF). I was not banned here...

glad to hear that , because I do not recall the last time I banned someone . I think I mistook you for someone else .

[alan131210]

No you don't understand me. An Assyrian banned me for life on Anthropology Biodiversity Forum (ABF). I was not banned here...

Yet our government gives them shelter from Iraqis trying to kill them and yet they still bark at Kurds , f*#@king ass wipes

[jjmuneer]

No you don't understand me. An Assyrian banned me for life on Anthropology Biodiversity Forum (ABF). I was not banned here...

Yet our government gives them shelter from Iraqis trying to kill them and yet they still bark at Kurds , f*#@king ass wipes

You should go on ABF forums and see for yourself how he talks shit all day about the Kurds. He classes us as an inferior race lol.

[Zert]

Guys, thanks for your contributions, but some of you are kinda missing the point.
Being the geographical predecessors does not automatically mean that you're the descendants of a people, what I'm looking for is evidence (be it in the form of an academic article, or in the form of level-headed arguments from yourself) that those people are actually our ancestors.
I could have simply put the history of the Scythians here, but that still wouldn't have told us how they tie in with the Kurds.

[hevalo27]

I could have simply put the history of the Scythians here, but that still wouldn't have told us how they tie in with the Kurds.

the once problem is, the occupier dont want that we find connections with kurdish history.
why do they dont dig in hamadan to find a median level of ecbatana?

because iran dont want to find more non-persian history for weaken the kurdish nationalism.
in turkey it was more terrible. they denied the kurdish existent, arcoelogical finds were arabized, persianized, turkified, but never its kurdish.

the last time i was in amed i visited a big moscue built by a kurdish ruler, i heard the turkish travel guide how he sayd in german to german tourists, it was built by an arab.
they will do everything to conceal kurdish history. if we want explore our history, then first we must be independent and free.

[hevalo27]

The Arab and Persian historians who wrote during the early
centuries of Islam frequently mentioned Kurds living outside of
Kurdestan, especially in Fars.

The term was not even restricted to Iranian nomads--according
to a tenth century work, the Persians called the Mesopotamian
Arabs the "Kurds of Suristan."

i think that is bullshit. that would mean, the persians hadnt an designation for the ancestrys of modern kurds.

the oncs possibility is, the persian used "kurd" for our ancestry, or the persian and kurds doesnt maked an difference between themselves.

so my own theorie: the persians used the term kurd for a determinded iranic-people from west with mostly nomadic traditions, but doesnt spoked persian.

my opinion, the kurds of fars are the actual feyli and lors and had mostly kurdish identitiy, while the lors was more influenced by the persian sassanids.

A Letter to Ardashir I, from his enemy, Ardavan V

ardashir, ardavan, what does it mean??
automatically i remember to "Pishte Kuh" and "Pişe Kuh".

[jjmuneer]

Guys, thanks for your contributions, but some of you are kinda missing the point.
Being the geographical predecessors does not automatically mean that you're the descendants of a people, what I'm looking for is evidence (be it in the form of an academic article, or in the form of level-headed arguments from yourself) that those people are actually our ancestors.
I could have simply put the history of the Scythians here, but that still wouldn't have told us how they tie in with the Kurds.

Zert I know your not addressing me directly, but the Parthians linguistically did impact on our language. As you know Fayli/Pahli Kurds are supposedly the direct(could be wrong) descendants of them. They did speak a NW Iranic language. Genetically though I'm not sure at all, but Faylis have a specific and distnictive look in my opinion from the rest of EK. Of course still pan-Kurdish looking. I think they should try and find bodies of these ancient peoples and see the genetic similarities bewteen us and them.

It reminds me of this the Ice Maiden, a Scythian women in the Altai mountains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQgMCmnBNw

[hevalo27]

the parthian were kurds, look at their noses

[jjmuneer]

the parthian were kurds, look at their noses

Lol there are also plenty with Greek noses. Just look at Kurd Faylis gallery I posted, most have Dinirad/Roman and Greek noses. With a few Iranid hooked noses. I don't think Armenoid noses is that common amongst us.


To be honest I think some of the Parthian rulers weren't native,some were Anatolian and Greek I think.

[hevalo27]

To be honest I think some of the Parthian rulers weren't native,some were Anatolian and Greek I think.

do you know that the sassanids subjected the partians with the grounds they are to helenic ?
i had read about that, maybe its true, but some of the faces (the coins) looks very kurdish for me.

[jjmuneer]

To be honest I think some of the Parthian rulers weren't native,some were Anatolian and Greek I think.

do you know that the sassanids subjected the partians with the grounds they are to helenic ?
i had read about that, maybe its true, but some of the faces (the coins) looks very kurdish for me.

Lol Parthians weren't Hellenic, but amongst the Royalty there were a few Hellas. They are all Kurdish or atleast the Kurd Pahlis descend from them. Though coins aren't really a good representation, I think discovering bodies would be a better way of reconstructing what they truly looked like.
There of course needs further evidence, like the Alans in EK and SK.

[hevalo27]

Lol Parthians weren't Hellenic, but amongst the Royalty there were a few Hellas.

no i meaned they were cultural influenced a lot by the hellenics. the sassanids called the parthian culture un-iranic

[jjmuneer]

Lol Parthians weren't Hellenic, but amongst the Royalty there were a few Hellas.

no i meaned they were cultural influenced a lot by the hellenics. the sassanids called the parthian culture un-iranic

Never heard of this. It wouldn't make sense since Sassanids weren't a tribal or ethnic groyp in those periods, they were just a dynasty. Parthians were also spread out all over the Iranic empires, but I think they were more concentrated in what today is EK.

[jjmuneer]

Here is some Kurd Faylis from the side lol, they do share resemeblence to those coins:

[hevalo27]

Parthians were also spread out all over the Iranic empires, but I think they were more concentrated in what today is EK.
Image

Not think, you must know

the beginning of the parthian empire was in todays turkmenistan, what had your feyli ancestors doing there?