Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Parsi]

hmm , I think because of this iran-persian friendship, there are some kurds at kazakistan.

Recently, due to grey wolf and other Turk propaganda, the "Turkic Roots" view is more and more popular, especially in Azerbaijan/Aran which I like to call Turkey Jr....

bla bla bla. Infact what you said is absolutely bullshit. Turkey is not supporting any turkish nationalism inside of Iran or azerbaijan.If Turkey want to harm iran and enhance nationalism inside of iran, we can easly do it.(helping USA is enough.)

Sorry guy, azeris are your problems. dont try to accuse us. Maybe they disliked, what iran did to azerbaijan, supporting armenia. I dont know, just dont waste our time with your petty problems.

besides these, Kurmanjs and Zazas have a common history. Anatolian Turks and Uyghurs have no common history. Indeed for centuries they have had NO contacts.

no but, after so much centuries, they still easly understand each other. So why dont a zaza understand kırmanci? Because, you have two different langauge. If you had same langauge at past, you would be still same langauge.

I should also add, your connection with zazas are nothing more than living under turkish empires.(selcuks, ottomans,ext) So, It is not much more than zaza-turkish or even zaza-armenian culture.

You have different culture, different langauge and different race.

True you have similarity with zazas(so turks have too.), your langauge have some common words with zazas(so turks have too), you have some genetic relation with zazas.(So turks too.)

Sorry, I dont see any real fact about, kurdish-zaza unity. do you? tell me, what make a kırmancı and a zaza same.(that turk has not.)

langauge family? please, so go and find a frank and call him brother.

It's a Fact that Grey Wolves were spreading propaganda in Azarbaijan throughout the early and mid 1900's and they failed.

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec0 ... INDEX.HTML

Look at any aspect of Azerbaijani politics and you'll see how close it is to Turkish politics.

[Parsi]

parsi wats wrong with their turkish roots? you jelous just because you losing your iranian assimilation politics over there?

pan iranist must always come up with big fat liar stuff

"big fat liar stuff" Wooow you're so educated - I should follow your lead

[cazyun]

hahaha you must be educated claim wholr iran is persian`?

you know curry is tasty

[zurderer]

It's a Fact that Grey Wolves were spreading propaganda in Azarbaijan throughout the early and mid 1900's and they failed.

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec0 ... INDEX.HTML

Look at any aspect of Azerbaijani politics and you'll see how close it is to Turkish politics.

My friend, of course they will become close us. It is us who support them against armenians and russian, not iranians. do you think, we help them freely? They will help us too.

I should also add, grey wolves are not goverment agent. They are people like you, who dont know much thing, but interfere others job.

As I said before, It is your problem, dont accuse us. We dont afraid from iran, we dont need any iranian land, Infact we dont care for iran too.

dont you ever think that why do turkey does not support USA politic over iran?

[Rizgaraso]

hmm , I think because of this iran-persian friendship, there are some kurds at kazakistan.

These had its own reasons in front of all religious conflicts.

after so much centuries, they still easly understand each other. So why dont a zaza understand kırmanci? Because, you have two different langauge. If you had same langauge at past, you would be still same langauge.

WTH, both Turks living in anatolia and Uyghurs have the ability to educate themselves in their mother tongues; this cannot be compared with situation of Zazas and Kurmanjs who have been for long time prohibited to use their language. The main problem is here.

I should also add, your connection with zazas are nothing more than living under turkish empires.(selcuks, ottomans,ext) So, It is not much more than zaza-turkish or even zaza-armenian culture.

Which turkish empire? which culture? which turklish culture? turks themselves had no culture when immigrated westwards. they adopted islamic culture. a culture which Kurds already had adopted. morever Ottoman empire cannot be compared with the modern facsist republic of turkeys. the fist one was a multinational, islamic empire; which even did not interfere the internal affairs of numerous nations who lived together, like Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis etc.. IMO saying Ottoman empire was a turkish empire is a joke. that's different with ancient empires such as Sassanids which had their OWN culture, religion, everything....

You have different culture, different langauge and different race.

Kurmanjs and zazas have a same Iranic culture, sister Iranic languages, and genetically are identical!!! You really do have a strong bias regarding this issue

True you have similarity with zazas(so turks have too.), your langauge have some common words with zazas(so turks have too), you have some genetic relation with zazas.(So turks too.)

Yes, true that Kurds and Zazas have countless similarities, but I see no similarity between Turks and these two; Dont you say Turks are related to Uyghurs? Good, then why u expect that Iranic Kurds and Zazas can be related to a people who consider themselves as identical with Uyghurs, Oghuzs, mongols, Tatars and other central asian peoples????
Moreover, the similarity between Kurdish and Zazaki vernaculars cannot be compared with that of Turkish. these languages even dont belong to one language familiy!!

Sorry, I dont see any real fact about, kurdish-zaza unity. do you? tell me, what make a kırmancı and a zaza same.(that turk has not.)

Read above.

langauge family? please, so go and find a frank and call him brother.

Who told you that languge family is for friendship??? Palestinians and Israelis both are semitic, yet you see enmity between them. Shia Arabs and Sunni Arabs are both Semitic you see enmity between them. Danish people and Swedish spoke similar languages yet historically there was enmity. The problem is that you regard to language families with your own point of view: That all people who speak an Altaic language are brothers (which by itself is totally false), then when u here Kurdish and English are related languages you become upset, confused and say, hey how they can be brothers?!!!

[Parsi]

hahaha you must be educated claim wholr iran is persian`?

you know curry is tasty

I never said Iran is Persian - Don't put words in my mouth!!

I said THERE ARE PERSIANISTS WHO CLAIM IRAN IS PERSIAN. I'm an IRANIAN NATIONALIST AND SEE IRAN FOR WHAT IT IS: A MULTI ethnic country.

learn to READ Turkmen

[zurderer]

WTH, both Turks living in anatolia and Uyghur Turks have the ability to educate themselves in mother tongues; it cannot be compared with situation of Zazas and Kurmanjs who have been for long time prohibited to use their language. The main problem is here.

long time is only 80 year and both kırmancı and zaza langauge is survived. So no problem lie here. If kırmancı and zaza dont understand each other, reason is not langauge ban, but these are two different langauge.

You even live same city and dont understand each other. Sorry, I wont eat that dolma.

Which turkish empire? which culture? which turklish culture? turks themselves had no culture when immigrated westwards.

Yeah, we lived like stones. My friend, If there is human beings, there is also cultures too. Calling some people as cultureless nothing more than fasism.(I should remind you, some turks also call kurds as cultureless.)

they adopted islamic culture. a culture which Kurds already had adopted.

Yeah, we are arabs, nothing more. There is not one islamic culture.

morever Ottoman empire cannot be compared with that modern facsist republic of turkeys. the fist one was a multinational, islamic empire; which even did not interfere the internal affairs of numerous nations who lived together, like Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis etc..

well, she gave some freedom, She did not give all freedom.

IMO saying Ottoman empire was a turksh empire is a joke

Yes, can we call it as , kurdish empire, greek empire, armenian empire? No my friend, we can only call it turkish empire. arent you agree?

I should also add, all of older empires are multicultural, but you have no problem that we call them as greek or persian empire.

that's different with ancient empires such as Sassanids which had their OWN culture, religion, everything....

ottomans have absolute their own culture, they effected other cultures too, but absolute have their own culture. That is why I am talking turkish, not greek or kurd langauge.

Kurmanjs and zazas have a same Iranic culture, a sister Iranic language, and genetically are identical!!! You really do have a strong bias regarding this issue

yes, they have some iranic culture, but iranic is not a racial term, but regional term.

Yes, true that Kurds and Zazas have countless similarities, but I dont see no similarity between Turks and these two;

did you live at eastern turkey? hımm? If you dont see any similarity, It is your problem.

Dont you say Turks are related to Uyghurs?

our langauge and our religion and some part of our culture is same.

Good, then why u expect that Iranic Kurds and Zazas can be related to a people who consider themselves as identical with Uyghurs, Oghuz, mongols Tatars and other central asian peoples????

I am not talking about zaza and turkish relations. I am saying zaza-turkish relation is not much different than zaza-kurdish relations. You still did not show me any real relation between you. Except a regional relation.(Iranic thing)

So I can easly say, all turks,kurd, and zazas are anatolian.

Moreover, the similarity between Kurdish and Zazaki vernaculars cannot be compared with that of Turkish. these language even dont belong to one language familiy!!

langauge family means nothing my friend. Go and kiss a russian.

That all people who speak an Altaic language are brothers (which by itself is totally false), then when u here Kurdish and English are related languages you become upset, confused and say, hey how they can be brothers?!!!

altaic? I think you lost your mind. I am talking about turkic langauge, I can understand an uygur. You cannot understand a zaza.

I am not claiming hungarians as our brothers or koreans but people that I can understand.

still, what is common between you and zazas? what make these two people same race?

You did not answer this question.

[Parsi]

It's a Fact that Grey Wolves were spreading propaganda in Azarbaijan throughout the early and mid 1900's and they failed.

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec0 ... INDEX.HTML

Look at any aspect of Azerbaijani politics and you'll see how close it is to Turkish politics.

My friend, of course they will become close us. It is us who support them against armenians and russian, not iranians. do you think, we help them freely? They will help us too.

I should also add, grey wolves are not goverment agent. They are people like you, who dont know much thing, but interfere others job.

As I said before, It is your problem, dont accuse us. We dont afraid from iran, we dont need any iranian land, Infact we dont care for iran too.

dont you ever think that why do turkey does not support USA politic over iran?

I never said Grey Wolves are government agents - I know they are a private organization...

I also know that you don't "care about Iran" and Iranians - I see it every time I go to Ataturk Airport. How your gaurds abuse Iranians who don't have American Passports - how they make then stand along side a cold wall for two hours straight...Ya I know you don't care about us and the only reason I care about "Turkey" is because of Kurds....

[zurderer]

memurs(people who work at state.) in turkey have such idiot mind. They treat every other people harshly.(be sure, becoming american in Turkey is better than becoming turkish.)

Sorry for their harsh treatment.

[Rizgaraso]

WTH, both Turks living in anatolia and Uyghur Turks have the ability to educate themselves in mother tongues; it cannot be compared with situation of Zazas and Kurmanjs who have been for long time prohibited to use their language. The main problem is here.

long time is only 80 year and both kırmancı and zaza langauge is survived. So no problem lie here. If kırmancı and zaza dont understand each other, reason is not langauge ban, but these are two different langauge.

You even live same city and dont understand each other. Sorry, I wont eat that dolma.

Which turkish empire? which culture? which turklish culture? turks themselves had no culture when immigrated westwards.

Yeah, we lived like stones. My friend, If there is human beings, there is also cultures too. Calling some people as cultureless nothing more than fasism.(I should remind you, some turks also call kurds as cultureless.)

they adopted islamic culture. a culture which Kurds already had adopted.

Yeah, we are arabs, nothing more. There is not one islamic culture.

morever Ottoman empire cannot be compared with that modern facsist republic of turkeys. the fist one was a multinational, islamic empire; which even did not interfere the internal affairs of numerous nations who lived together, like Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis etc..

well, she gave some freedom, She did not give all freedom.

IMO saying Ottoman empire was a turksh empire is a joke

Yes, can we call it as , kurdish empire, greek empire, armenian empire? No my friend, we can only call it turkish empire. arent you agree?

I should also add, all of older empires are multicultural, but you have no problem that we call them as greek or persian empire.

that's different with ancient empires such as Sassanids which had their OWN culture, religion, everything....

ottomans have absolute their own culture, they effected other cultures too, but absolute have their own culture. That is why I am talking turkish, not greek or kurd langauge.

Kurmanjs and zazas have a same Iranic culture, a sister Iranic language, and genetically are identical!!! You really do have a strong bias regarding this issue

yes, they have some iranic culture, but iranic is not a racial term, but regional term.

Yes, true that Kurds and Zazas have countless similarities, but I dont see no similarity between Turks and these two;

did you live at eastern turkey? hımm? If you dont see any similarity, It is your problem.

Dont you say Turks are related to Uyghurs?

our langauge and our religion and some part of our culture is same.

Good, then why u expect that Iranic Kurds and Zazas can be related to a people who consider themselves as identical with Uyghurs, Oghuz, mongols Tatars and other central asian peoples????

I am not talking about zaza and turkish relations. I am saying zaza-turkish relation is not much different than zaza-kurdish relations. You still did not show me any real relation between you. Except a regional relation.(Iranic thing)

So I can easly say, all turks,kurd, and zazas are anatolian.

Moreover, the similarity between Kurdish and Zazaki vernaculars cannot be compared with that of Turkish. these language even dont belong to one language familiy!!

langauge family means nothing my friend. Go and kiss a russian.

That all people who speak an Altaic language are brothers (which by itself is totally false), then when u here Kurdish and English are related languages you become upset, confused and say, hey how they can be brothers?!!!

altaic? I think you lost your mind. I am talking about turkic langauge, I can understand an uygur. You cannot understand a zaza.

I am not claiming hungarians as our brothers or koreans but people that I can understand.

still, what is common between you and zazas? what make these two people same race?

You did not answer this question.

Absolute nonsense, Whatever I say you reply with some more nonsense. Whatever I say you say, No, No, No...

Iranic is NOT a regional term! It is a linguistic term! Iranic cannot becompared with Anatolian!!!

Zazaki and Kurdish are sister languages, they belong to the northwestern branch of Iranic languages. they are very close, If today some of theri speakers they dont understand eachother so much, is because none of them understands its own mother tongue properly. I dont care If zazaki is considered as a separate languuge or not but these two languages are actually very very close to eachother. And please dont claim that turks are related to the Iranic Kurmanjs and Zazas. there is no kinship between turks and Kurds.

I say Kurmanjs and Zazas are proved to be racially the same. then again u ask what makes these two rlated?!!!

Moreover turks had not a glorious culture is not a shame, they had not. that's all. No one attacked turks, they by themslves adopted Islam because they needed it. And Ottoman empire had not a Turkish culture it only had some ethnic Turks as rulers in the occupied constantinople;
From the sea of loanwords even in osmanli turkish one can easily understand what was the culture of the empire.

I wont discuss with you anymore if u are not able to provide neutral sources for your claims.
Here is my evidence that Zazas and Kurmanjs are racisally the same:

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/ab ... 05.00174.x


Here is my evidence that Turks and Uyghurs are racially and ethnically different than other Turkophones:

http://www.bartleby.com/65/tu/Turks.html


Lets just speak with evidence not void and empty claims.

Regards.

[Diri]

I must disagree with your comment on Azarbaijani culture though. Each part of Azarbaijan is different. Tabriz area is closer to Persian culture while Urmiye area is closer to Kurdish.

Are you serious?

Ûrmiye is KURDISTAN... Not Azerbaijan...


@ "Each part of Azerbaijan"...

[Parsi]

I must disagree with your comment on Azarbaijani culture though. Each part of Azarbaijan is different. Tabriz area is closer to Persian culture while Urmiye area is closer to Kurdish.

Are you serious?

Ûrmiye is KURDISTAN... Not Azerbaijan...


@ "Each part of Azerbaijan"...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Western half of "West Azarbaijan" province is Kurdish - the other is Azar. My grandfather is from Urmiye area...

[cazyun]

there is no iranic lanugages term because none of them is similar to eachohter..

[Parsi]

there is no iranic lanugages term because none of them is similar to eachohter..

It's obvious you know nothing about Indo-Iranian languages so I won't even bother discussing this with you. You seem to know somewhat more about Altaic languages - stick to discussing those

[cazyun]

go teach som iranic languages you guys aviously cant communicate with eachother..