Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Diri]

parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast

Kurds, Indians, Norwegians, British, Italian, Portugese and Persians = Indo-Europeans

Turks, Koreans and Saami = Ural-Altaic

Arabs and Assyrians and Jews = Semitic

See?

It's not about "Pan-Iranism" - it's about Indo-Europeans...

You should add Russians,Germans and more....,Bro Can you remember something when somebody say Aria race who called by Nazis??But anyways i know how bad being racist it sucks,didnt want to mention that

Brother - I know a LOT of other people are Indo-European... But a LOT of other people are also Altaic and Semitic - I only mentioned some to illustrate my point...

But "Indo-European" isn't a racial designation... It is a linguistic designation...

And Hitlers "Aryan Race" is a load of crap - first of all because Germans aren't of the Aryan linguistic branch - and secondly because "Aryan" is not a racial designation... It's a linguistic designation - like "Germanic" and like "Latin"...



But yes - rascist are truly disgusting!

@Cazyun

Kurds and Persians are closer; historically, culturally, linguistically etc. than Kurds and Turks... Everybody knows this... Your bias is that you are either Turkish or half Turkish...

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Cazyun,you believe Kurds are equal in Turkey?Dont you hear people are discussing that "the problem is Kurd indentity we should delete it,even our problem is not Pkk" or social democrat CHP's leader,Deniz Baykal's "we should wipe out Kurds from our our party." suggestion when they discuss their dirtiness in congress's vote day.I am not saying Turkey is so bad place to live for an ordinary people and Turkey has so good places too and it is so good Turkey is not so religious and even lots of country have problems like that but they block Kurdish identity and culture and teaching Kurdish,teaching Kurd history is banned.You dont need to say im Kurdish,it is enough that saying my roots are Kurds is enough to be excluded.Lots of people dont like the east of Ankara,there is not much investigement,east of Ankara even places PKK didnt conflict.Lots of children have to walk 15 km to go to school or have to pass river.Lots of people are swearing Kurds and even your best friend highly will be bad to you when he/she hear you are a Kurd if he/she is still your friend,he/she will swear to Kurds at your face,like "i will be the first soldier if Kurdish-Turkish war start.","i will take my weapon and i will kill Kurds" or "Kurds smell bad.".If there is a guilt,guilty is highly a Kurd in Turkey you dont need to know much about guilty's identity,just listen to people,if there is a bad thing oh it is about Kurds.I even heard that a patient goes to hospital when he hear his doctor is Kurdish,he deny the treatment.I heard a assistant profesor couldnt be profesor because he is Kurd.I heard bad shits million times i couldnt discuss with all but i didnt deny or feel shame what i am.I knew Kurdish friends who try to protect Turkey unity and i have others who try to protect Kurdish identity both of them faced with bad words and bad behaves by Turks and didnt know what to do.I saw lots of people who are happy about the press on Kurds in Turkey or even somewhere else in the world but have no benefit from that.My only choice is to do active politics,DTP or PKK.The thing i dont understand even here there is Italian,French,Nederlands friends who like Kurds.And Kurds are cool in Europe,Diri is well-educated people in Europe but i dont know he could finish an university in Turkey in this conditions.Everywhere you have plus difficulties because of being Kurd.You can see how good people Kurds have like Mehmet Uzun,Darin,Talabani and i shouldnt forget Diri .But there is a minorty who fleed to Europe and they are mostly successful especially who borned there,Kurds fled Europe to be succesfull.But there is the biggest Kurd population in Turkey most of them are poor and uneducated.Succesful ones are really clever and determined people.And the thing hurt me,we are ancient people in a place like Mesopotamia,we had a ruler like Saladin even lost of people are on doctrine of Said Kurdi and we have varity of cultures and religions and the poorness of my people because of the behave,not their faith.This is what i dont understand let us to have a country if you dont like Kurds.It doesnt matter what Kurds will do there,ok?I guess we are doing a good thing for Turks,let seperate without harming you and us more

[Lovetobewithfriends]

parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast

Kurds, Indians, Norwegians, British, Italian, Portugese and Persians = Indo-Europeans

Turks, Koreans and Saami = Ural-Altaic

Arabs and Assyrians and Jews = Semitic

See?

It's not about "Pan-Iranism" - it's about Indo-Europeans...

You should add Russians,Germans and more....,Bro Can you remember something when somebody say Aria race who called by Nazis??But anyways i know how bad being racist it sucks,didnt want to mention that

Brother - I know a LOT of other people are Indo-European... But a LOT of other people are also Altaic and Semitic - I only mentioned some to illustrate my point...

But "Indo-European" isn't a racial designation... It is a linguistic designation...

And Hitlers "Aryan Race" is a load of crap - first of all because Germans aren't of the Aryan linguistic branch - and secondly because "Aryan" is not a racial designation... It's a linguistic designation - like "Germanic" and like "Latin"...



But yes - rascist are truly disgusting!

@Cazyun

Kurds and Persians are closer; historically, culturally, linguistically etc. than Kurds and Turks... Everybody knows this... Your bias is that you are either Turkish or half Turkish...

Ok,Bro good point but i had German friend,he said to me,Persians,Germans and Russians ,we big three nations have same root,Germans tried to conquer Europe because they are biggest,purest and the main race of whole european countries as i know so lots of them related by race too if the idea works,this is a european viewpoint

[Lovetobewithfriends]

I mean Turks are racist,even to the other nations too but we suffer the most.But Kurds are not bad against them,at least better than them,if Kurds hate them they wont fight with Turks in independence war.Kurds as a different race with lots difference,were ready to be a part of Turkey if Turks give their national rights like free to speak native language and free to learn their own history or autonomy or representatives in parliament.But Turks allways choose racist way but Kurds have to resist they are human too.

[Lovetobewithfriends]

yeah sure kurds are also realted to italians vivaa such a family

88//

nope,not Kurds as my theory,Persians are far-related to Italians

And if Hurrians are mixed with Medes or Hittanis much there can be a relation between Italian and Kurds.But it is more far than Persians


And there is some cultural and possible national mix.Because nobody can have a similar language to another without no relation but i dont say they are so similiar and not mean they all pure nations which have same root.

[Parsi]

parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast

Nope,Parsi had said Iran is Persianist,extreme shiite and Pan-Turkist.And i said "Persians are more civilizated,were good to other nations in the past and they think Kurds and the other Iranians have same blood and i have an Iranian friend and with his all mistakes and goodness,i see he were good to Kurds much more than the others by heart."

Ottoman were the best to Kurds in the history and Ottoman was caring religion to much and trying to take west,they didnt have personal problems or cultural problems with Kurds and there was lots of nations in Ottoman much more than Turks,i know but now graywolfs and kemalists are no good to Kurds.Kemalists are more open-minded but you know what they did to Kurds after independence war and kemalists and graywolfes had close ties.But Ataturk was a clever man and he saw graywolfes who worked with Nazis,are sentenced to lose with their dream world and so kemalists try to create their idea,in fact it was not the worst really but now it is old for the age and Turks dont have another Ataturk,that is all my ideas.

Peoples' ties and relationships are more than politics and without provoke politics you cant break relations and without clever politics you cant fix it.And Turks broke the politic ties with Kurds by pushing them out of field.As Cyprus had very close ties with Turks,Greeks had good ties with Turks and Armenians were loyal nation(millet-i sıdıka) and the all had historical ties with Turks and eachothers.But after some rumours peoples hate each other,especially Turks provoke their people too much.I even heard that Turks say "Kurds have tails.".

So what happened?what Turks earn nothing.I heard a story i guess an Armenian who has no relation with the conflict and wiped out Armenian, wrote the book.He wrote that "So what is better there without us?".And then Turks say why we cant live together?i think it is not so hard to answer.Some Turks provoke their nation for their politics and this is not civilized way and the other one cant hold themselves and some of them try to provoke their nation but they cant be good when you compare with Turks about that.So it is hard that living with Turks and Arabs because they are good provokers against the other nations,do Arabs think still Kurds are evil?,they are best at hate.But Persians are good.As a persian empire they ruled lots of nations but nothing went wrong and they really see Kurds as a close nation with blood ties. That's why i though Persians are really better than the others,yes they are not angels of Kurds but there is even Kurdistan Province in Iran even it is small or big.In Turkey,maybe you as a Kurd can live good without talking much about nations and by hiding your race if you are a totaly quite and passive man,so where is historical ties it will be my pleasure if i can see it.

You misunderstood me eziz.

I said there are Persianists, Pan-Turkists in Iran - I didn't say everyone was...

Anyway - Iranians are the closest to Kurds. No Arab or Turk can compare and they don't really want to compare because they don't really like Kurds or Iranians...

[cazyun]

parsi and that shuld come out from your mouth? a 100 % pan iranist? heheh

[Parsi]

parsi and that shuld come out from your mouth? a 100 % pan iranist? heheh

Yes, I do believe that all Iranics can get along under a federalist structure - that's no big secret

You're just trying to cause trouble again. Go pet your grey wolves cazyun b/c I'm really tired of your ammature comments.

[zurderer]

You think a Turk from Turkey understands an Ugyur Turk from China?

Yes, we can understand them.We can communicate with azeris easy.Speaking Turkmens are easy too. Kazaks and kırgız are other story.(But most probably we can understand them more easy than a kurd can understand zaza.)

But dont you think, there is great distance between uygurs and turks(and they still understand each others.)

There is not any distance between zazas and kurds. So langauge different should me minor(If they have some langauge roots), like blacksea turkish and eagean turkish.(I should remind you distance between zazas and kurds is much more less than blacksea and eagea.)

So Infact calling zaza as different dialect of kurdish is wrong. These two langauge (zaza and kırmanci) are not dialect of each others.


Iranic thing is absolutely stupid for sunni kurds.(not talking about shia ones.) If kurds are so near to persians, why did they fight against iran?
If there were not kurds, eastern anatolia would become iranian land, not Turkish land.


Iran is a land for shia people. Of course, If regime changes a lot thing would change too.(of course, this change can be destroy iran with the help of nationalism of all nations inside of iran.), but well I am realy curious, If regimes changes, turkey kurds prefer iran over turkey.

I am realy curious even now, kurdish wish for iran.

[Rizgaraso]

You think a Turk from Turkey understands an Ugyur Turk from China?

Yes, we can understand them.We can communicate with azeris easy.Speaking Turkmens are easy too. Kazaks and kırgız are other story.(But most probably we can understand them more easy than a kurd can understand zaza.)

But dont you think, there is great distance between uygurs and turks(and they still understand each others.)

There is not any distance between zazas and kurds. So langauge different should me minor(If they have some langauge roots), like blacksea turkish and eagean turkish.(I should remind you distance between zazas and kurds is much more less than blacksea and eagea.)

So Infact calling zaza as different dialect of kurdish is wrong. These two langauge (zaza and kırmanci) are not dialect of each others.


Iranic thing is absolutely stupid for sunni kurds.(not talking about shia ones.) If kurds are so near to persians, why did they fight against iran?
If there were not kurds, eastern anatolia would become iranian land, not Turkish land.


Iran is a land for shia people. Of course, If regime changes a lot thing would change too.(of course, this change can be destroy iran with the help of nationalism of all nations inside of iran.), but well I am realy curious, If regimes changes, turkey kurds prefer iran over turkey.

I am realy curious even now, kurdish wish for iran.

Man Iranic, Turkic, etc are linguistic classifications not religious.

Kurds are Iranic because their language is classified under Iranic branch of Indo-European languages. That means that Kurdish is closer to Persian than it is to Greek or Indian.

Then we got cultures issue. while all three Kurds, Iranians and Turks have their distinct cultures, the Azerbaijnis culture is almost completely Persian.


Then we got religious classification:

Kurds and Anatolian Turks are Sunni while Persians and Azerbaijanis are Shii.

Ethnic classification is different than linguistic classification. Uyghurs and Anatolian Turks do not see themselves as ONE single ethnic group. while Kurmanjs and Zazas have historically identified themselves under ONE single ethnic classification: Kurds. besides these, Kurmanjs and Zazas have a common history. Anatolian Turks and Uyghurs have no common history. Indeed for centuries they have had NO contacts.

Kurds like any other people have always been fighting for their independence, no matter who is the occupier. but if one day iranians drop their extreme shiism and promise federalism for kurds dont wonder if Kurds of Anatolia, Syria and Iraq too would join them. all the Iranic empires including the two Persian empires of Achaemenids and Sassanids, despite their enmity with Kurds were built with blood of their Kurdish-populated armies.

[Parsi]

You think a Turk from Turkey understands an Ugyur Turk from China?

Yes, we can understand them.We can communicate with azeris easy.Speaking Turkmens are easy too. Kazaks and kırgız are other story.(But most probably we can understand them more easy than a kurd can understand zaza.)

But dont you think, there is great distance between uygurs and turks(and they still understand each others.)

There is not any distance between zazas and kurds. So langauge different should me minor(If they have some langauge roots), like blacksea turkish and eagean turkish.(I should remind you distance between zazas and kurds is much more less than blacksea and eagea.)

So Infact calling zaza as different dialect of kurdish is wrong. These two langauge (zaza and kırmanci) are not dialect of each others.


Iranic thing is absolutely stupid for sunni kurds.(not talking about shia ones.) If kurds are so near to persians, why did they fight against iran?
If there were not kurds, eastern anatolia would become iranian land, not Turkish land.


Iran is a land for shia people. Of course, If regime changes a lot thing would change too.(of course, this change can be destroy iran with the help of nationalism of all nations inside of iran.), but well I am realy curious, If regimes changes, turkey kurds prefer iran over turkey.

I am realy curious even now, kurdish wish for iran.

Man Iranic, Turkic, etc are linguistic classifications not religious.

Kurds are Iranic because their language is classified under Iranic branch of Indo-European languages. That means that Kurdish is closer to Persian than it is to Greek or Indian.

Then we got cultures issue. while all three Kurds, Iranians and Turks have their distinct cultures, the Azerbaijnis culture is almost completely Persian.


Then we got religious classification:

Kurds and Anatolian Turks are Sunni while Persians and Azerbaijanis are Shii.

Ethnic classification is different than linguistic classification. Uyghurs and Anatolian Turks do not see themselves as ONE single ethnic group. while Kurmanjs and Zazas have historically identified themselves under ONE single ethnic classification: Kurds. besides these, Kurmanjs and Zazas have a common history. Anatolian Turks and Uyghurs have no common history. Indeed for centuries they have had NO contacts.

Kurds like any other people have always been fighting for their independence, no matter who is the occupier. but if one day iranians drop their extreme shiism and promise federalism for kurds dont wonder if Kurds of Anatolia, Syria and Iraq too would join them. all the Iranic empires including the two Persian empires of Achaemenids and Sassanids, despite their enmity with Kurds were built with blood of their Kurdish-populated armies.

Nice post

I must disagree with your comment on Azarbaijani culture though. Each part of Azarbaijan is different. Tabriz area is closer to Persian culture while Urmiye area is closer to Kurdish. So general Azerbaijani culture is a mix. Linguistics is one of the few things making them "Turk." The problem is that the people of Iran keep on calling them Tork on one hand, and then when it comes to classifying their culture, they say that their culture isn't Tork...so why call them Torks??

And just keep in mind bira, you are just one Kurd. So saying "don't wonder, Kurds of Anatolia, Syria and Iraq would join them" is your opinion. If things truly do change in Iran, then hopefully there will be a vote to see what the people want (at least in Rojhalat).

But you are right - Kurds have been a strong pillar for all Iranic empires and that's why the kinship in Iran still exists b/t Kurds and non-Kurds.

[Rizgaraso]

Generally Azerbaijani culture is regarded as identical (or a copy of) persian culture. I've red that on neutral academic sources.
Moreover I heard that not all Azeris of Aran (let alone the ones of Iran) consider their roots as Turkic, because many of them call their land as land of '''eternal fires'''...

[Parsi]

Generally Azerbaijani culture is regarded as identical (or a copy of) persian culture. I've red that on neutral academic sources.
Moreover I heard that not all Azeris of Aran (let alone the ones of Iran) consider their roots as Turkic, because many of them call their land as land of '''eternal fires'''...

Azeris and Azaris are different in their gene pool and culture. While Azeris are very Russianized and have closer ties to the caucasion culture, the Azaris of Iran are very much so Iranian.

Recently, due to grey wolf and other Turk propaganda, the "Turkic Roots" view is more and more popular, especially in Azerbaijan/Aran which I like to call Turkey Jr....

[zurderer]

hmm , I think because of this iran-persian friendship, there are some kurds at kazakistan.

Recently, due to grey wolf and other Turk propaganda, the "Turkic Roots" view is more and more popular, especially in Azerbaijan/Aran which I like to call Turkey Jr....

bla bla bla. Infact what you said is absolutely bullshit. Turkey is not supporting any turkish nationalism inside of Iran or azerbaijan.If Turkey want to harm iran and enhance nationalism inside of iran, we can easly do it.(helping USA is enough.)

Sorry guy, azeris are your problems. dont try to accuse us. Maybe they disliked, what iran did to azerbaijan, supporting armenia. I dont know, just dont waste our time with your petty problems.

besides these, Kurmanjs and Zazas have a common history. Anatolian Turks and Uyghurs have no common history. Indeed for centuries they have had NO contacts.

no but, after so much centuries, they still easly understand each other. So why dont a zaza understand kırmanci? Because, you have two different langauge. If you had same langauge at past, you would be still same langauge.

I should also add, your connection with zazas are nothing more than living under turkish empires.(selcuks, ottomans,ext) So, It is not much more than zaza-turkish or even zaza-armenian culture.

You have different culture, different langauge and different race.

True you have similarity with zazas(so turks have too.), your langauge have some common words with zazas(so turks have too), you have some genetic relation with zazas.(So turks too.)

Sorry, I dont see any real fact about, kurdish-zaza unity. do you? tell me, what make a kırmancı and a zaza same.(that turk has not.)

langauge family? please, so go and find a frank and call him brother.

[cazyun]

parsi wats wrong with their turkish roots? you jelous just because you losing your iranian assimilation politics over there?

pan iranist must always come up with big fat liar stuff