Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Rizgaraso]

The funny thing is that while Zazas cousins, (Deylamistanis or people of modern Gilan), feel a significant sense of ethnic brotherhood with Kurds, the Zazas who up till yesterday identified themselves completetly with Kurds, try to show themselves as far from Kurds as possible!! I smell gray wolves propaganda influence!!

[Rizgaraso]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

[Jamo]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

[Rizgaraso]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

I'm sorry but my personal oponion is massacres or at least their results are postive phenomenos. Imagine if Arabs had not mssacred people of Sassanid empire. then do you think that Arabs got so much lands? of course not. After all no one blame Arabs for their crimes.

Another example is Turkish crimes against people of Anatolia. they got so much lands after all no one forces them to leave!!!! My oponion is that whoever does not massacre is condemned to be vanished.

Massacre and rule!! that's how world works.

[Parsi]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

I'm sorry but my personal oponion is massacres or at least their results are postive phenomenos. Imagine if Arabs had not mssacred people of Sassanid empire. then do you think that Arabs got so much lands? of course not. After all no one blame Arabs for their crimes.

Another example is Turkish crimes against people of Anatolia. they got so much lands after all no one forces them to leave!!!! My oponion is that whoever does not massacre is condemned to be vanished.

Massacre and rule!! that's how world works.

No one blames Arabs for their crimes?

To this day most Iranians hate Arabs - what are you talking about?

[Rizgaraso]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

I'm sorry but my personal oponion is massacres or at least their results are postive phenomenos. Imagine if Arabs had not mssacred people of Sassanid empire. then do you think that Arabs got so much lands? of course not. After all no one blame Arabs for their crimes.

Another example is Turkish crimes against people of Anatolia. they got so much lands after all no one forces them to leave!!!! My oponion is that whoever does not massacre is condemned to be vanished.

Massacre and rule!! that's how world works.

No one blames Arabs for their crimes?

To this day most Iranians hate Arabs - what are you talking about?

Yes, but they gained all the lands that never were Arabic lands. the same as Turks. Iranians hate turks too. Turks gained so much lands from western Asia, (Aran, Azerbaijan, Anatolia). but that hating is all. Those lands are considered Turkish.

There is a miracle in the art of violence.

[Parsi]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

I'm sorry but my personal oponion is massacres or at least their results are postive phenomenos. Imagine if Arabs had not mssacred people of Sassanid empire. then do you think that Arabs got so much lands? of course not. After all no one blame Arabs for their crimes.

Another example is Turkish crimes against people of Anatolia. they got so much lands after all no one forces them to leave!!!! My oponion is that whoever does not massacre is condemned to be vanished.

Massacre and rule!! that's how world works.

No one blames Arabs for their crimes?

To this day most Iranians hate Arabs - what are you talking about?

Yes, but they gained all the lands that never were Arabic lands. the same as Turks. Iranians hate turks too. Turks gained so much lands from western Asia, (Aran, Azerbaijan, Anatolia). but that hating is all. Those lands are considered Turkish.

There is a miracle in the art of violence.

well - they changed the language and partly the culture of those lands but didn't "gain it." And Aran is Azerbaijan.....there is only one Azarbaijan - and that's in Iran.

There is no miracle in it - it's more of a tragedy...why do you think Kurdish, Azari, Persian songs are so sad? Because of all the wars and all the hardships brought on by conquests...

[Lovetobewithfriends]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

Then you should join Turkish army,right?Maybe they can give you Zazaistan after that.Dont tell me about anybody outside of Kurds,they are all same,there is just a nation in Turkey which deserve they are Kurds and Zazas will own with them,turkish propanda wont work on them,you think Diyarbakır people will support them or Dersim people??

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

It wont be bad for me hearing this words more .I am a Kurd and im not supporting Pkk because we deserve better more sophisticated solution. .There should be Armenia but i wont support people who call themselves Zaza like you because you talk like Turks and i didnt see any Zazaistan efforts and history i just see Kurdistan efforts but there was Armenia centuries before.Even some Kurds helped Armenians. The Kurds you talk about,obstructed Kurds independence too so what we should do them? and Armenia-Kurdish relationship is going good.

"And During the Armenian Genocide, many bands of Kurds, on the orders of the Young Turk government, helped the Turkish army eliminate ethnic Armenians during their deportation. On April 8 and April 10, 1915, Armenians were accused of revolt and resisting conscription in Cilicia. Soon afterward, the Ottoman government deported the entire population of the city. On April 19, 1915, the Armenians living in Van and near the border with Russia, were accused of collaboration with the Russians and were attacked by the Ottoman Army and Kurdish irregulars [8]. According to J.B. Jackson, the American consul in Aleppo, in August 1916 the governor of Aleppo ordered massacres carried out by bands of Turkish, Circassian and Kurdish ex-convicts, who were freed from prison and assigned for the massacre [9]. It is estimated that between half a million and three-quarters of a million of civilian Armenians were massacred by the Turks and Kurds [10].

Despite participation of some Kurdish elements in the genocide, the majority of Kurds kept their distance from the killings, and in some cases helped Armenian refugees. For instance, Dersim Kurds refused Turkish orders and saved 25,000 Armenian lives. In 1919, there were groups of Armenians who were living among Kurds as refugees "

And it is from Wikipedia,i know they are lieing to us to have an independent country after that they will own our land Here the special words "Kurdish ex-convicts, who were freed from prison." how liars they are.They say Dersim Kurds not Zazas because Zazas are Kurds or so close brothers.Why do you try to show us as barbarians.Maybe some ultra-islamist Kurds joined Turks against genocide(you should use genocide word ).Armenians were under pressure as some like Kurds under pressure now but they shouldnt start to attack they could be totally right if they were not the starters of the fight and now all of the world could recognize genocide.The first kurdish radio started in Armenia and there is a relation between Pkk and Asala.Anyways,i dont like terror even they are right,it is my personal idea,i like solution without gun but if you as a Zaza are talking Kurds in the way,i guess you like struggle outside of my Zaza friends.There can be a Zazaistan if you want why dont you start to imagine it all day and night you should have a plan too I said especially some holy places like Agri; should be given to Armenia and i have no passions on Jews' holy land,we must have a great viewpoint,i know Turks will say for me Armenian or Jewish because i said that.But im talking about being logical and talking on historical roots.We lived together with Armenians and nobody genocide the other.If we did that there wont be any Kurd or Armenian in this land but we have ability to live together in peace somes dont have that You cant see an attack to culture between Kurds and Armenia or dirty plans but maybe we fought before but not in barbarian way so i guess we still should like eachothers


And i totaly believe that Zazas dont think like you,they choose being on Kurds' side or being Turks' side like some loser Kurds.And i guess you are grey wolf as Rizgaraso said but Rizgaraso giving material to you to talk you can answer but i try to not give you material to talk and i will be honest As Rizgaraso said we are one of the best races in ME which dont attack nations' rights.If we are we could do when it is Saladin's age or anytime we had chance.We suggest everyone should live in peace in stable countries because Kurds are bored living under liar,egoist countries' rule.And Zazas will have their country in Kurdistan i guess because they are Zaza but i heard from you they are different race from Kurds and they want their seperate country.I didnt think Erzincan and Sivas is Kurdish because it is under control of Turkey and the cities are full of mixed races.

[Rizgaraso]

But the fact is that if pople do not attack their neighbours like Arabs, Turks and others, they would remain anonymous forever like Eskimos if not vanished.
What is today is known as Iraq, 14 centuries ago was predomiantly Iranic. Even Sassanid capital was located there. Tyspun, or as Arabs knew it Madain (aka. cities); Even for a century it was the largest city of the world! But Arabs changed it drastically and made it An Arab region. from Basra (also an Iranic name) to Baghdad (again an Iranic name). That's true that there was sad incidents for the victims, but s a whole, the lands became Arabic and no one ever thinks that Arabs should give up those lands.

Do you deny this?

[Lovetobewithfriends]

I adore Persians in the way,they are so active and they care nations' right and they are a great statue of civilization,culture and science.So still everybody cares them and listen to them.That is why they have still friends and not crying like "we dont have any allies."

[Parsi]

But the fact is that if pople do not attack their neighbours like Arabs, Turks and others, they would remain anonymous forever like Eskimos if not vanished.
What is today is known as Iraq, 14 centuries ago was predomiantly Iranic. Even Sassanid capital was located there. Tyspun, or as Arabs knew it Madain (aka. cities); Even for a century it was the largest city of the world! But Arabs changed it drastically and made it An Arab region. from Basra (also an Iranic name) to Baghdad (again an Iranic name). That's true that there was sad incidents for the victims, but s a whole, the lands became Arabic and no one ever thinks that Arabs should give up those lands.

Do you deny this?

You keep on using the term Iranic - what do you think that term means?

Well all those lands were Arabized - they lost most of their culture. Just look at Egypt - what of their past civilization remains in their modern culture? Nothing. So they can't "give" up those lands because those lands are Arab by culture.

[Jamo]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

what Armenians story has to do with the fact of Zazas being creaters of kemalism?!!

BTW, Armenians themselves from 7th century BC when immigrated southward to Curdish mountains, where the most cruel enemies of Kurds. they occupied Kurds lands and persecuted them in worst ways.
Although massacres not always are good, but sometimes are needed. If Kurds had followed a policy of harrasing of their neighbours for at least some centuries, now they got much of middle east. but unfortunately they alwasy were passive. look, at Arabs and Turks and others who did crasy crimes against their neighbours. Of course sometimes massacres are needed. That's why today many Kurds think that next year they NEED a good massacre of Iraqi Arabs.

A massacre is needed? You think like fashist Turks who killed the Armenians and like Germans who killed Jews. Turks think the same about Kurds they can not wait to massacre Kurds. Now Turkish Sunnis are supporting the Turkish Alevis and give them important positions in Turkish Army. They are thinking about how to clean the East Part from Kurds.

Do you think it was right when Saddam killed so many Kurds with gasbombs in Halabca? Massacres are needed

Then you should join Turkish army,right?Maybe they can give you Zazaistan after that.Dont tell me about anybody outside of Kurds,they are all same,there is just a nation in Turkey which deserve they are Kurds and Zazas will own with them,turkish propanda wont work on them,you think Diyarbakır people will support them or Dersim people??

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians

It wont be bad for me hearing this words more .I am a Kurd and im not supporting Pkk because we deserve better more sophisticated solution. .There should be Armenia but i wont support people who call themselves Zaza like you because you talk like Turks and i didnt see any Zazaistan efforts and history i just see Kurdistan efforts but there was Armenia centuries before.Even some Kurds helped Armenians. The Kurds you talk about,obstructed Kurds independence too so what we should do them? and Armenia-Kurdish relationship is going good.

"And During the Armenian Genocide, many bands of Kurds, on the orders of the Young Turk government, helped the Turkish army eliminate ethnic Armenians during their deportation. On April 8 and April 10, 1915, Armenians were accused of revolt and resisting conscription in Cilicia. Soon afterward, the Ottoman government deported the entire population of the city. On April 19, 1915, the Armenians living in Van and near the border with Russia, were accused of collaboration with the Russians and were attacked by the Ottoman Army and Kurdish irregulars [8]. According to J.B. Jackson, the American consul in Aleppo, in August 1916 the governor of Aleppo ordered massacres carried out by bands of Turkish, Circassian and Kurdish ex-convicts, who were freed from prison and assigned for the massacre [9]. It is estimated that between half a million and three-quarters of a million of civilian Armenians were massacred by the Turks and Kurds [10].

Despite participation of some Kurdish elements in the genocide, the majority of Kurds kept their distance from the killings, and in some cases helped Armenian refugees. For instance, Dersim Kurds refused Turkish orders and saved 25,000 Armenian lives. In 1919, there were groups of Armenians who were living among Kurds as refugees "

And it is from Wikipedia,i know they are lieing to us to have an independent country after that they will own our land Here the special words "Kurdish ex-convicts, who were freed from prison." how liars they are.They say Dersim Kurds not Zazas because Zazas are Kurds or so close brothers.Why do you try to show us as barbarians.Maybe some ultra-islamist Kurds joined Turks against genocide(you should use genocide word ).Armenians were under pressure as some like Kurds under pressure now but they shouldnt start to attack they could be totally right if they were not the starters of the fight and now all of the world could recognize genocide.The first kurdish radio started in Armenia and there is a relation between Pkk and Asala.Anyways,i dont like terror even they are right,it is my personal idea,i like solution without gun but if you as a Zaza are talking Kurds in the way,i guess you like struggle outside of my Zaza friends.There can be a Zazaistan if you want why dont you start to imagine it all day and night you should have a plan too I said especially some holy places like Agri; should be given to Armenia and i have no passions on Jews' holy land,we must have a great viewpoint,i know Turks will say for me Armenian or Jewish because i said that.But im talking about being logical and talking on historical roots.We lived together with Armenians and nobody genocide the other.If we did that there wont be any Kurd or Armenian in this land but we have ability to live together in peace somes dont have that You cant see an attack to culture between Kurds and Armenia or dirty plans but maybe we fought before but not in barbarian way so i guess we still should like eachothers


And i totaly believe that Zazas dont think like you,they choose being on Kurds' side or being Turks' side like some loser Kurds.And i guess you are grey wolf as Rizgaraso said but Rizgaraso giving material to you to talk you can answer but i try to not give you material to talk and i will be honest As Rizgaraso said we are one of the best races in ME which dont attack nations' rights.If we are we could do when it is Saladin's age or anytime we had chance.We suggest everyone should live in peace in stable countries because Kurds are bored living under liar,egoist countries' rule.And Zazas will have their country in Kurdistan i guess because they are Zaza but i heard from you they are different race from Kurds and they want their seperate country.I didnt think Erzincan and Sivas is Kurdish because it is under control of Turkey and the cities are full of mixed races.

WOW you called me a grey wolf and I should join the Turkish Army too? Well first of all with Alevis I meant the Turkish Alevis not the Zaza Alevis from Dersim. You say you didn't think that Erzincan and Sivas were Kurdish because it is under control of Turkey? Well Turkey controls Diyarbakir, Van and other cities too. In these cities there are also mixed races not only Kurds. There are Kurds, Zazas, Turkmens and still some Armenians who luckily survived the genocide. What shall we call these cities Kurdish, Turkish or Zaza?

The Arians such as Persians, Kurds and Zazas have nothing to do than fighting eachother instead of fighting the Arabs or Turks. If you guys won't accept our Zaza identity how can you expect from us to accept Kurdish identity? I'm telling you I am not a Turk, gray wolf, Turkmen or pro Turkish We are Zazas If you guys don't accept this than it's your problem with which you have to deal with.

[Parsi]

I adore Persians in the way,they are so active and they care nations' right and they are a great statue of civilization,culture and science.So still everybody cares them and listen to them.That is why they have still friends and not crying like "we dont have any allies."

Tell me - who cares about Persians? The West?? They just sit there and watch the IRI treat not only Persians - but all Iranians like crap. They don't care - no one does.

What Allies do they have left? Arabs? Turks? I don't think so...

Yes all Iranian people have accomplished much in the past, including the Persians. Too bad they are a mere memory now...

[Rizgaraso]

But the fact is that if pople do not attack their neighbours like Arabs, Turks and others, they would remain anonymous forever like Eskimos if not vanished.
What is today is known as Iraq, 14 centuries ago was predomiantly Iranic. Even Sassanid capital was located there. Tyspun, or as Arabs knew it Madain (aka. cities); Even for a century it was the largest city of the world! But Arabs changed it drastically and made it An Arab region. from Basra (also an Iranic name) to Baghdad (again an Iranic name). That's true that there was sad incidents for the victims, but s a whole, the lands became Arabic and no one ever thinks that Arabs should give up those lands.

Do you deny this?

You keep on using the term Iranic - what do you think that term means?

Well all those lands were Arabized - they lost most of their culture. Just look at Egypt - what of their past civilization remains in their modern culture? Nothing. So they can't "give" up those lands because those lands are Arab by culture.

Very nice, the the same can be done by other peoples!! Attack their lands and make them ''like yourselves'' and make them ''part of us'':wink:

That's what Kurds (and many other anonymous peoples) never did.


Iranic means Iranian but helps to avoid confusion with modern state of Iran.

Notice: Germanic, Slavic, Semetic, Turkic, and etc...

[Parsi]

But the fact is that if pople do not attack their neighbours like Arabs, Turks and others, they would remain anonymous forever like Eskimos if not vanished.
What is today is known as Iraq, 14 centuries ago was predomiantly Iranic. Even Sassanid capital was located there. Tyspun, or as Arabs knew it Madain (aka. cities); Even for a century it was the largest city of the world! But Arabs changed it drastically and made it An Arab region. from Basra (also an Iranic name) to Baghdad (again an Iranic name). That's true that there was sad incidents for the victims, but s a whole, the lands became Arabic and no one ever thinks that Arabs should give up those lands.

Do you deny this?

You keep on using the term Iranic - what do you think that term means?

Well all those lands were Arabized - they lost most of their culture. Just look at Egypt - what of their past civilization remains in their modern culture? Nothing. So they can't "give" up those lands because those lands are Arab by culture.

Very nice, the the same can be done by other peoples!! Attack their lands and make them ''like yourselves'' and make them ''part of us'':wink:

That's what Kurds (and many other anonymous peoples) never did.


Iranic means Iranian but helps to avoid confusion with modern state of Iran.

Notice: Germanic, Slavic, Semetic, Turkic, and etc...

Nor should they - when things like that happen it's so tragic. That's why I don't like or associate myself with chauvaunist Persians who try to assimilate Kurds and other Iranians.

So who, in your opinion, is "Iranic"?