Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Serd]

Holy crab, this website is really getting against Zazas. Except few people, many of you are telling weird stories. You guys remind me my good old days. When I was a child, with my other friends we used tell our make up stories, and we would have great fun. Now I am having the same joy. Thanks to most of you. Keep up your great stories.

[Diri]

Do you support independence of Zazaistan?
Yes - I do - We must respect other people and support them in their struggle for independence!
33% [ 4 ]
No - I don't - "Zazaistan" is a PART of Greater Kurdistan!
66% [ 8 ]


This is the opinion of Kurds not the opinion of Zazas. This is not important for us! You can not make someone Kurdish who doesn't feel that way Turks couldn't make the Kurds Turkish either

No... That's incorrect - it's: So say the people on this forum: which are not JUST Kurds... We have SO many different people here - HALF of the active members are non-Kurdish...

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

[Serd]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

[Diri]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

[Lovetobewithfriends]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

For example,there is no anti-Kurd,just a few islamists in Southern Kurdistan and you can see some Kurdish tribes in northern Kurdistan which their leader is ally with Turkey for money,etc(Turkey push Kurds to be poor) and at west of Turkey Kurds are quite of being seperate from others or have a shame to their nation because of big propoganda(like piskürt,kro,uneducated Kurd or Kurds are Turks,mountain Turks million kind of propoganda....) and They harm Kurds' economy,unity,education,language and still lots of Kurds are fighting in front of whole world and still it is suprising there is PKK members even in Istanbul...We are just human at least,outside of being Kurd and some of us can lose their way.But Zazas are passive,have no unity and vision i saw,as Diri said they only think on being a part of Turkey or Kurdistan,if it is not they should announce their own sound,i hope a way for them but they are assimilated but not by Kurds

[Serd]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

Sure, we are not native to our lands, and I guess that gives you the right to occupy our lands and assimilate us. Turks are also oppressors of Zaza people. I see some of you want to join to them.

Even monkeys and humans have a 99 % the same genetics. The genetical difference between humans are 99.9 %. Anyway, I don't give any damn to this genetic things. Armenians who used live in easten Anatolia also used to wear the same cloths, eat the same food and may other things. Well actually, there also many cultural differences between Zazas itself.

During the Shêx Seîd revolt, my home town was completely burned down and moved 30 km east of its original place. My grand parents and relatives died in that revolt. My parents are sure that they didn't die for you, they died for their very people. Infact we get no support from anybody. We fight alone, and we died alone. May God bless their brave souls. They were infact very brave. I see you use those people a lot, and that makes me very sad. Well as I said before, the world is not a just place.

[Serd]

But Zazas are passive,have no unity and vision i saw,as Diri said they only think on being a part of Turkey or Kurdistan,if it is not they should announce their own sound,i hope a way for them but they are assimilated but not by Kurds

Zazas live in mountainous areas. These mountains helped us to protect ourselves and our culture from others. However, these montains prevented us to follow the outside world. Infact, when natianlism was sweeping all the Middle East, Zazas fell behind without knowing what is happening around them. Now recently this nationalist Zaza movement begining to take its roots. Let me confess, I am very new in this movement like Jamo. However, just give us time because the games has just began.

[Diri]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

Sure, we are not native to our lands, and I guess that gives you the right to occupy our lands and assimilate us. Turks are also oppressors of Zaza people. I see some of you want to join to them.

Even monkeys and humans have a 99 % the same genetics. The genetical difference between humans are 99.9 %. Anyway, I don't give any damn to this genetic things. Armenians who used live in easten Anatolia also used to wear the same cloths, eat the same food and may other things. Well actually, there also many cultural differences between Zazas itself.

During the Shêx Seîd revolt, my home town was completely burned down and moved 30 km east of its original place. My grand parents and relatives died in that revolt. My parents are sure that they didn't die for you, they died for their very people. Infact we get no support from anybody. We fight alone, and we died alone. May God bless their brave souls. They were infact very brave. I see you use those people a lot, and that makes me very sad. Well as I said before, the world is not a just place.

What are you talking about? "Zazas" are KURDS in my eyes... Of course you are native then...

I think you are twisting what I say on purpose... Because it fits your agenda...

I don't "use" anybody... I merely said: Şêx Seîd fought against Atagû and his army because Atagû broke his promise to Kurds: letting us enjoy self-determination...

I don't know each and every case and story of those who died under Şêx Seîd but I do know that was what Şêx Seîd fought for...

What are you talking about "oppressors of Zazas"? Those have a name: Turks...

Kurds call "Zazas" their own people... You on the other side want to say that "Zazas" are a different nation... Fine by me... If others like you want to create a "Zazaistan" - go ahead... That is, if you have the majority of Zazakî speakers supporting you... Which I personally doubt...

[Serd]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

Sure, we are not native to our lands, and I guess that gives you the right to occupy our lands and assimilate us. Turks are also oppressors of Zaza people. I see some of you want to join to them.

Even monkeys and humans have a 99 % the same genetics. The genetical difference between humans are 99.9 %. Anyway, I don't give any damn to this genetic things. Armenians who used live in easten Anatolia also used to wear the same cloths, eat the same food and may other things. Well actually, there also many cultural differences between Zazas itself.

During the Shêx Seîd revolt, my home town was completely burned down and moved 30 km east of its original place. My grand parents and relatives died in that revolt. My parents are sure that they didn't die for you, they died for their very people. Infact we get no support from anybody. We fight alone, and we died alone. May God bless their brave souls. They were infact very brave. I see you use those people a lot, and that makes me very sad. Well as I said before, the world is not a just place.

What are you talking about? "Zazas" are KURDS in my eyes... Of course you are native then...

I think you are twisting what I say on purpose... Because it fits your agenda...

I don't "use" anybody... I merely said: Şêx Seîd fought against Atagû and his army because Atagû broke his promise to Kurds: letting us enjoy self-determination...

I don't know each and every case and story of those who died under Şêx Seîd but I do know that was what Şêx Seîd fought for...

What are you talking about "oppressors of Zazas"? Those have a name: Turks...

Kurds call "Zazas" their own people... You on the other side want to say that "Zazas" are a different nation... Fine by me... If others like you want to create a "Zazaistan" - go ahead... That is, if you have the majority of Zazakî speakers supporting you... Which I personally doubt...

Yeah yaeh, the same old story!

[Diri]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

Sure, we are not native to our lands, and I guess that gives you the right to occupy our lands and assimilate us. Turks are also oppressors of Zaza people. I see some of you want to join to them.

Even monkeys and humans have a 99 % the same genetics. The genetical difference between humans are 99.9 %. Anyway, I don't give any damn to this genetic things. Armenians who used live in easten Anatolia also used to wear the same cloths, eat the same food and may other things. Well actually, there also many cultural differences between Zazas itself.

During the Shêx Seîd revolt, my home town was completely burned down and moved 30 km east of its original place. My grand parents and relatives died in that revolt. My parents are sure that they didn't die for you, they died for their very people. Infact we get no support from anybody. We fight alone, and we died alone. May God bless their brave souls. They were infact very brave. I see you use those people a lot, and that makes me very sad. Well as I said before, the world is not a just place.

What are you talking about? "Zazas" are KURDS in my eyes... Of course you are native then...

I think you are twisting what I say on purpose... Because it fits your agenda...

I don't "use" anybody... I merely said: Şêx Seîd fought against Atagû and his army because Atagû broke his promise to Kurds: letting us enjoy self-determination...

I don't know each and every case and story of those who died under Şêx Seîd but I do know that was what Şêx Seîd fought for...

What are you talking about "oppressors of Zazas"? Those have a name: Turks...

Kurds call "Zazas" their own people... You on the other side want to say that "Zazas" are a different nation... Fine by me... If others like you want to create a "Zazaistan" - go ahead... That is, if you have the majority of Zazakî speakers supporting you... Which I personally doubt...

Yeah yaeh, the same old story!

I think you are talking to the wrong guy... I am not a "story teller"...

[Serd]

And if you are right - you will have your Zazaistan... If you are wrong (which I think) - then you will be alien in your own lands... And it's typical that diaspora Zazas are separatist - but if you go to Dersîm and other areas with great number of Zazakî speakers - you'll see they will either say: "Be part of Turkey" or "Be part of Kurdistan"... Few if any will speak of a "Zazaistan"...

The same thing is exactly true for Kurds too. You can see many Kurds who are pro-Turkish government or pro-Iranian government or militant islamist and so on...

Yes - but that is a different matter... Why? Because Kurds are a stateless people - who are native to their lands... Whereas Turks, Persians and Arabs are their oppressors...

Kurds do not share much in common with those peoples... However, "Zazas" and Kurds are genetically the same - culturally the same... Only thing which is different: language...

Don't tell me Shêx Seîd was fighting for "Zazaistan"...

Sure, we are not native to our lands, and I guess that gives you the right to occupy our lands and assimilate us. Turks are also oppressors of Zaza people. I see some of you want to join to them.

Even monkeys and humans have a 99 % the same genetics. The genetical difference between humans are 99.9 %. Anyway, I don't give any damn to this genetic things. Armenians who used live in easten Anatolia also used to wear the same cloths, eat the same food and may other things. Well actually, there also many cultural differences between Zazas itself.

During the Shêx Seîd revolt, my home town was completely burned down and moved 30 km east of its original place. My grand parents and relatives died in that revolt. My parents are sure that they didn't die for you, they died for their very people. Infact we get no support from anybody. We fight alone, and we died alone. May God bless their brave souls. They were infact very brave. I see you use those people a lot, and that makes me very sad. Well as I said before, the world is not a just place.

What are you talking about? "Zazas" are KURDS in my eyes... Of course you are native then...

I think you are twisting what I say on purpose... Because it fits your agenda...

I don't "use" anybody... I merely said: Şêx Seîd fought against Atagû and his army because Atagû broke his promise to Kurds: letting us enjoy self-determination...

I don't know each and every case and story of those who died under Şêx Seîd but I do know that was what Şêx Seîd fought for...

What are you talking about "oppressors of Zazas"? Those have a name: Turks...

Kurds call "Zazas" their own people... You on the other side want to say that "Zazas" are a different nation... Fine by me... If others like you want to create a "Zazaistan" - go ahead... That is, if you have the majority of Zazakî speakers supporting you... Which I personally doubt...

Yeah yaeh, the same old story!

I think you are talking to the wrong guy... I am not a "story teller"...

Next day, come with new stories, okay. Actually I like your stories more than others' stories in this forum.

[Lovetobewithfriends]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

[Diri]

Next day, come with new stories, okay. Actually I like your stories more than others' stories in this forum.

Or better yet - from now on I will just ignore your childish comments?

Best of luck to you and "Zazaistan"...

[Serd]

Next day, come with new stories, okay. Actually I like your stories more than others' stories in this forum.

Or better yet - from now on I will just ignore your childish comments?

Best of luck to you and "Zazaistan"...

Thanks, you are the best!

[Jamo]

This topic is becoming funnier .But you should understand us for example i am hearing this words at first time in my life from you and Jamo

You will hear these words more and more. Even Zazas who called themselves once Kurdish are going to seperate themselves very slowly from Kurds. I know a lot of people who do not support PKK or other Kurdish rebels eventhough they say they are Kurdish.

How far will some Kurds go by denying other cultures in Anatolia. Some of the maps that I see here are very funny. There is no Zazaistan and no Armenia in Turkey but therefore half part of Turkey is Kurdistan and other half is Greece.

Well actually there is no Armenia in Turkey anymore since the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood wiped out the Armenians. I don't say all Kurds killed Armenians but most Kurds were against Armenians