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Erdogan becomes God = within 10 years no Kurds in Turkey

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:08 pm

Turkey’s parliament approves constitutional change :shock: :ymsick: X(

ERDOGAN is GOD

The Kurds are all

DOOMED

Unless they have a new, non-Marxist, non-HDP leader who will priorities the needs of the Kurdish people and not seek only to gratify their own greed for power and self-aggrandisement, they will be wiped from the pages of history X(
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:13 pm

Turkey’s parliament approves constitutional change

The Turkish parliament voted on Tuesday to press on with debate about a constitutional reform package that would expand the powers of President Tayyip Erdogan, taking another step on the path towards an executive presidency.

Erdogan and his supporters argue that Turkey needs the strong leadership of an executive presidency to prevent a return to the fragile coalition governments of the past, but opponents fear the reform will fuel authoritarianism.

The initial vote, an early indicator of support for the bill, was passed with 338 votes, indicating that some deputies from the ruling AK Party and the nationalist opposition MHP, which backs the reform, had not voted in favour.

The bill needs the support of at least 330 deputies in the 550-seat assembly to go to a referendum, expected in the spring. The AKP has 316 deputies eligible to vote and the MHP 39.

Under the reform, Erdogan will be able to appoint and dismiss government ministers, take back the leadership of the ruling party, and govern until 2029.

At Monday’s debate on the 18-article bill, Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the reform would resolve the problem of Turkey having two executive authorities.

“There needs to be one authority in the executive branch,” he told the assembly. “Two captains sink the ship, there needs to be one captain.”

Of the 550-member assembly, 480 lawmakers voted overnight, of whom 134 voted against the bill. The remaining votes were abstentions, unmarked or invalid voting slips.

Debate on the individual articles is set to begin on Tuesday and the AKP plans to complete debate of the package by Jan. 24.

The plans foresee presidential and general elections in 2019 with a maximum of two five-year terms.

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:07 am

Turkish MPs back new constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

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Turkey's parliament has given preliminary approval to a new constitution which will increase the powers of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

There will be a second round of voting later this week and, if approved, a referendum will follow.

Critics claim it amounts to a power grab by Mr Erdogan.

But the president says the changed system will resemble those in France and the United States.

The new constitution will allow the president to appoint and dismiss ministers, and it will abolish the post of prime minister for the first time in Turkey's history.

Instead there will be at least one vice-president.

The bill's final articles were passed late on Sunday, with the governing AK Party (AKP) gaining the three-fifths majority it needed.

Last week a fight broke out in parliament after the AKP clashed with Republican's People Party (CHP) members when an MP tried to film a voting session during a debate.

The CHP, the biggest opposition party, opposes the changes.

The pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) boycotted the vote. Several of their MPs have been jailed on charges of supporting Kurdish militants, which, the HDP says, makes the vote controversial as they have no right to participate.

To secure its necessary majority, the AKP has relied on the support of the rightwing Nationalist Movement Party, the fourth largest in the legislature.

Turkey has been in a state of emergency since a failed coup in July. The status was extended after a series of attacks on the country, including a mass shooting in an Istanbul nightclub on New Year's Eve.

The constitutional amendments will give the president more scope for declaring an emergency.

Mr Erdogan, 62, came to power in 2002, a year after the AKP's formation.

He spent 11 years as Turkey's prime minister before becoming, in 2014, the country's first directly-elected president - a supposedly ceremonial role.

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Benny » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:12 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/worl ... .html?_r=0

Turkish parliament has now approved the new constitution - apparently this means that the post of PM is to be abolished! :shock: Instead, in the future, there will be a new category of vice-presidents which will be appointed of Erdogan.

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Benny wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/world/middleeast/turkey-new-constitution-fight.html?_r=0

Turkish parliament has now approved the new constitution - apparently this means that the post of PM is to be abolished! :shock: Instead, in the future, there will be a new category of vice-presidents which will be appointed of Erdogan.

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Erdogan now has exactly the same power as the internationally hated and mistrusted, Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei :shock:

There are frightening differences between Turkey and Iran

Turkey has nuclear weapons - Iran does not

Turkey is a Sunni Muslim country known to have supported Sunni ISIS in the past and has allowed ISIS to trade unhindered across the Turkish/Syrian border

Iran is a Shia Muslim country fighting against Sunni ISIS

Turkey is attempting to wipe out everything Kurdish

Iran is NOT as anti-Kurdish as many of the western propaganda sites would have people believe - Kurds have more political power in Iran and are altogether a great deal safer in Iran than in Turkey

Iran is a lot more liberal than Sunni Saudi Arabia - a country which both US and UK have their largest arms deals with :shock:
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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Benny » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:50 pm

Hello Anthea - you wrote: "Kurds have more political power in Iran and are altogether a great deal safer in Iran than in Turkey". That got me to think - what is the relationship between the Kurds in Iran and other countries? For example, is there any political coordination?

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:54 pm

Benny wrote:Hello Anthea - you wrote: "Kurds have more political power in Iran and are altogether a great deal safer in Iran than in Turkey". That got me to think - what is the relationship between the Kurds in Iran and other countries? For example, is there any political coordination?

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:25 pm

In my valued judgment - until the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq - Kurds in each of the 4 main Kurdish enclaves knew next to nothing about each other

In fact many Kurds in Turkey were unaware of Kurds in either Iran or Syria

There is very little contact between the 4 groups of Kurds

Within each of the 4 Kurdish enclaves the Kurds are further divided - apart from in Iran where Kurds appear to be much more united

Kurds in Syria are either with the PKK or not - the 2 groups do not get on well with each other

Kurds in Turkey are either with the PKK or not - both groups tend to ignore each other without any open hostility

Kurds in Iraq either follow:

Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP)

Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK)

Gorran - the party most sane Kurds hate

There is a great deal of animosity between all the Kurdish parties with Iraq

You wish to know it Kurds from different countries communicate =))

It is an extremely good question =))

Sadly the answer is

NO

In the past there have been Kurdish leaders who have been accepted by the leaders of all the different Kurdish parties but those are few and far between - I only know of 2 such Kurds who are alive - I knew of several who are no longer alive :sad:
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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Benny » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:43 pm

Ok - many thanks you for your answer, it was interesting to read. Sad story, though. If anyone should benefit from sticking together, it certainly should be the Kurds.

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Re: Turkish MPs back constitution boosting Erdogan's powers

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:25 am

A constitutional amendment could end Turkey’s republic

On Jan. 21, the Turkish parliament approved a constitutional amendment that would change the current system of government from parliamentary to presidential.

The amendment received well more than the 330 votes in the parliament needed for approval, after a deal between the Justice and Development Party (AKP) of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the ultranationalist MHP.

Those changes will now go to a popular referendum, which will likely take place in early April. Coming in the aftermath of a failed coup attempt and in the midst of a massive crackdown on independent civil society, these proposed amendments would fundamentally change Turkey’s political system.

[Handcuffs and hair-pulling: Turkey’s parliament debates, then approves new powers for the president]

The proposed changes are so profound that, if passed, they will amount to a total regime change, not just a change in the system of government. Erdogan’s de facto one-man rule will be codified into what can only be described as a sultanistic regime, unprecedented in Turkey or anywhere else in the democratic world. Power would be severely concentrated in the hands of the presidency, with almost no checks and balances. Some Turks worry that the new constitution may even allow him to appoint his sons and sons-in-law as vice presidents and even successors.

The passage of the amendment would crown Erdogan’s long-standing efforts to consolidate power in a presidential system — and could strike a mortal blow to Turkey’s once-flourishing democracy.

The amendment to the constitution creates a super-powerful presidency, in sharp contrast to the current parliamentary system. The amendment would abolish the office of the prime minister, until now the most powerful political position in the Turkish system. The popularly elected president, who occupies a largely ceremonial post under the current constitution, would instead be the head of both the government and the state. The president would be able to serve three consecutive five-year terms and could continue to serve as the chairman of his political party.

Elections for the president and the parliament would be held on the same day to deliver a parliamentary majority to the president’s list, hand-picked by the president himself in his capacity as the chairman of the party.

The hypothetical new position of vice president would serve as the head of state in the event the president is abroad or incapacitated. This position would not be elected but rather appointed along with the cabinet by the president, with no oversight. The parliament has no role in these appointments: It cannot hold confirmation hearings or exercise any supervisory powers over the cabinet, such as interpellation — questioning a policy — or vote of confidence.

Although the parliament — with the approval of two-thirds majority — could refer the president to the Supreme Court for crimes he may commit during his tenure, it would not be able to impeach him or shorten his term. In contrast, the president could dissolve the parliament at his will and call for new elections.

The new amendment also gives the president legislative powers. Should it pass, the president could issue, on behalf of the parliament, presidential decrees with the same legislative power and authority as laws passed by parliament. The new amendment also gives the president enhanced veto powers. To override a presidential veto, an absolute majority in parliament would be needed, while under the current constitution only a simple majority is required.

Though presidential decrees would be subject to review by the Constitutional Court, the court may not be independent and impartial enough to exercise such review authority. According to the amendment, the Constitutional Court would have 15 members, most of them appointed directly or indirectly by the president. Furthermore, the president will also have a major role in the formation of the Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors, technically an independent body that oversees appointment, promotion, disciplining and dismissal of judges and public prosecutors.

Last week, while introducing the amendment bill to the parliament, Minister of Justice Bekir Bozdag claimed that there was really nothing new in the bill, as supporters were simply bringing back “Ataturk’s constitution.” But in many ways, the 1924 constitution that established Ataturk’s republic was a more democratic constitution than what has been proposed by the AKP. Unlike Erdogan’s proposed constitution, the 1924 constitution did not grant the president authority to dissolve the parliament or declare him to be commander in chief. Neither did it give the president strong veto powers since the parliament could override it with simple majority. Moreover, the parliament also retained the authority to exercise supervisory powers over the president’s cabinet through a confidence vote, which the Erdogan’s proposed constitution denies.

Some Turks have argued that Erdogan’s constitution is more reminiscent of the Syrian Constitution of 2012. Like Bashar al-Assad’s version, Erdogan’s constitution would also allow him to dissolve the parliament, appoint his vice presidents, assume legislative powers at the expense of the parliament and act as commander in chief. On paper, Erdogan’s powers could actually surpass those of Assad. For instance, the Turkish parliament, unlike its Syrian counterpart, will have no authority whatsoever to interrogate members of the president’s cabinet or withhold confidence from them.

In the coming referendum, will the Turkish people agree to grant Erdogan powers denied to Ataturk in 1924? The current environment of spiraling violence and economic and political uncertainty makes predicting the outcome difficult. But if they do, it will effectively put an end to the Turkish Republic.

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Re: Erdogan becomes God = within 10 years no Kurds in Turkey

PostAuthor: Benny » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:15 am

Thank you for the link, interesting. "Sultanistic rule", I don't' like the sound of that!

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