are kurdish men faithful?

[Anthea]

Some of the men here do not like it when I speak up for the Kurdish women - but I only pass on what the women themselves tell me - some of the men do not like to read the truth

The topic of this thread is:

are kurdish men faithful?

Mostly we are discussing the way some women have been lied to and treated badly by Kurdish men

Most Kurdish men are warm hearted, kind, honest and married to a relation at an early age - unfortunately some are not - and those are the ones we are discussing here

I do not hold with talsor's comment:

again Anthea , Your views are too one sided and your constant portrayal of woman being innocent and taken advantage off reflect some personal bad experience . Women can be as cruel , unfaithful ,lying, manipulating and violent as men . NO one is innocent and we are not talking about a 15 years old girl remote village in the mountains here .

In life we truly get what we truly want conscientiously and subconsciously

I have NEVER had a bad experience with or been treated badly by any Kurdish person in the more than 30 years I have had Kurdish friends

I absolutely loath talsor's comment:

In life we truly get what we truly want conscientiously and subconsciously

I most certainly do not believe that anyone either conscientiously and subconsciously wants to be treated badly, lied to, be given a sexual disease by the man she thought to be faithful and loving

Perhaps it is talsor who has had a bad experience of women - he does state that:

Women can be as cruel , unfaithful ,lying, manipulating and violent as men

Certainly looks like the voice of experience to me

[talsor]

Most Kurdish men are warm hearted, kind, honest and married to a relation at an early age - unfortunately some are not - and those are the ones we are discussing here

whoooooooo , for once you admit that all men are not monsters .

I have NEVER had a bad experience with or been treated badly by any Kurdish person in the more than 30 years I have had Kurdish friends

I did not say you had bad experience with kurdish men . You had bad experience with men in general and it is clearly reflected in your views and that is why you are alone .To post picture degrading men is shallow and disrespectful and if one of the guys posted the same picture I would have certainly banned him for a while if I was a mod .

Perhaps it is talsor who has had a bad experience of women - he does state that:

Women can be as cruel , unfaithful ,lying, manipulating and violent as men

Certainly looks like the voice of experience to me

Are you sure English is your first language ?

[talsor]

There's no men hating going on merely a discussion of women's experiences around the question asked: are Kurdish men faithful?

Only people with strong religious/cultural background tend to be faithful and this is coming from an atheist .They normally do not get involved in a relation unless their intentions are clear and moraly accepted .The same applies for women in my view .

The rest (men and women )whether Kurdish ,british , italian ....are all the same . Education , principles and family background plays a big role too .

It also depend on the women and how strong she is . Remember the toughest guys out there who are afraid of nobody are always afraid of their wives

[Anthea]

talsor I have never heard of a battered husbands refuge

[talsor]

talsor I have never heard of a battered husbands refuge

There isn't , what is your point ?
You went from men (i'm quoting you here ) being unfaithful lying scum-bag , to disease spreading , to faithless scumbag , to manipulative cheaters and now you want to talk about how violent men are towards women ? lady get some help .

By the way all the above description of men are only from two of you posts , so imagine what I would find in the other 4500 , so shall we move on ?

[Anthea]

talsor I have never heard of a battered husbands refuge

There isn't , what is your point ?
You went from men (i'm quoting you here ) being unfaithful lying scum-bag , to disease spreading , to faithless scumbag , to manipulative cheaters and now you want to talk about how violent men are towards women ? lady get some help .

By the way all the above description of men are only from two of you posts , so imagine what I would find in the other 4500 , so shall we move on ?

Actually I was just commenting on your previous statement

Remember the toughest guys out there who are afraid of nobody are always afraid of their wives

[Rose2013]

I think men or woman both have the choice of been unfaithful, but as you previously said depend on your values and believes. I think when kurdish guys come to live to Europe and they come very young sometimes they mistake freedom with licentiousness. Relationships are more open and is easy for them to live lose, they dont feel the pressure of being known that they have back home and this put them into a vicious circle of playing around and being childish and carefree. after they always can go home and they will be always a cousin who will take them. I dont think all kurdish are like that but lot of them get the chance to play this game which a pity because they dont bring any of the positive things they learn at home and the hurting people their way. These type of men are not real men, just boys that will never grow up so if you find on your way maybe is better run. In this case we talk about kurdish but can be from any country.

[talsor]

I think men or woman both have the choice of been unfaithful, but as you previously said depend on your values and believes. I think when kurdish guys come to live to Europe and they come very young sometimes they mistake freedom with licentiousness. Relationships are more open and is easy for them to live lose, they dont feel the pressure of being known that they have back home and this put them into a vicious circle of playing around and being childish and carefree. after they always can go home and they will be always a cousin who will take them. I dont think all kurdish are like that but lot of them get the chance to play this game which a pity because they dont bring any of the positive things they learn at home and the hurting people their way. These type of men are not real men, just boys that will never grow up so if you find on your way maybe is better run. In this case we talk about kurdish but can be from any country.

The western Values (if there are any ) does not help either . A side from Possibly some financial consequences in cases of pregnancy , there are no repercussions (if done safely ) in having multiple relations for men and women .
Men and women in general whether kurdish or English are pretty much the same in their approach towards sexuality except those with strong principles and/or religious back ground . The constant display of being a victim by some women is wrong in my view and it is over used in the west . Women is as strong as men and as valued as men if not more , but some sale themselves too cheap and expect to be treated like a Jewel and that is not going to happen because it contradict human nature .

[Piling]

The constant display of being a victim by some women is wrong in my view and it is over used in the west .

West ? Did you ever listen to Kurdish women ? They are ALWAYS complaining about men !

[Rose2013]

The western Values (if there are any ) does not help either . A side from Possibly some financial consequences in cases of pregnancy , there are no repercussions (if done safely ) in having multiple relations for men and women .
Men and women in general whether kurdish or English are pretty much the same in their approach towards sexuality except those with strong principles and/or religious back ground . The constant display of being a victim by some women is wrong in my view and it is over used in the west . Women is as strong as men and as valued as men if not more , but some sale themselves too cheap and expect to be treated like a Jewel and that is not going to happen because it contradict human nature .

Off course we have values on the Western! You should travel more. I think this type of behaviour poison the image of how we live in the western however is a personal choice and nobody should be take advantage of any individual because this is bigger crime of sleeping around

[Piling]

Some Easterners have values (as anybody in the World). But it is often hypocrisy : Not seen, not caught. And then silence for everybody, even the victims (and it was the same in Western societies, only 30 years or even 20 ago).

Societies does not fear sin but scandal.

[talsor]

Off course we have values on the Western! You should travel more. I think this type of behaviour poison the image of how we live in the western however is a personal choice and nobody should be take advantage of any individual because this is bigger crime of sleeping around

Would you be kind enough to mention these values ?

I failed to understand the rest of your post , So I will not comment on it to avoid any misunderstanding . Are you saying the life style is a personal choice and no one should take advantage of it ?

I hope you do not take it as bragging , so here is my traveling list to Europe and North America : , Canada , USA , France , Spain , Sweden , Finland , Turkey , England , Germany and Holland . That pretty much covers what the west is does not it ?

[talsor]

The constant display of being a victim by some women is wrong in my view and it is over used in the west .

West ? Did you ever listen to Kurdish women ? They are ALWAYS complaining about men !

I could not agree more however the difference is that they do not act immorally upon it or quit due to "irreconcilable differences" . In the west women and men replace their partner much much faster than they replace their cars . consumerism comes to mind in this case .

[talsor]

Some Easterners have values (as anybody in the World). But it is often hypocrisy : Not seen, not caught. And then silence for everybody, even the victims (and it was the same in Western societies, only 30 years or even 20 ago).

Societies does not fear sin but scandal.

The core purpose of these values /rules / religious obligation is to avoid the disintegration of the society and provide protection for Women , men and most importantly the children . Yes the so called values are like laws and many break these rules/laws and label it as hypocrisy

[Shirko]

To be honest, being faithful is a constant challenge, and my biggest worry is Gods wrath. I think I need at least two wives, three would be ideal.