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PostAuthor: IPC » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:53 am

Kurds are Persian!

Dear Kurdish Brothers and Sisters:

Dear Roj Bash Kurdistan Forum:
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All of the Regional problems are because of historical ignorance which can be solved by dialogues. Please calm your tempers, open your minds and ears. Lend me your time and attention for a short while. I promise, it will worth it. After reading this article, you will be informed about many Kurdish, Iranian, Regional, Near Eastern and global subjects. Ignore this post and you will remain ignorant to historical facts.

There are some people on this forum whom have the knowledge of history, but majority of you are uninformed of your history. I have been reading your forum and I have seen false remarks have been made about the Kurdish history, Kurdish-Persian Relations, and IPC (Iran Politics Club). These remarks have been made because of historical, racial, sociological, political and natural ignorance.

I am here to inform you, clarify the situation and resolve all of the issues. I am the IPC Web Mistress. Some IPC members monitor the web and they inform me of issues related to Iran, Iranian Opposition and IPC. It is my job to give information and try to solve the problems by reasoning with those who have open minds and open ears.

IPC

IPC is a coalition of Iranian opposition members from different sides of the isles belonging to different opposition parties and groups of Iran. IPC members are Monarchists, Republicans, Nationalists, Socialists, Communists, Muslim, and every other side of the Iranian politics including right, left and center. IPC exists for 6 years. IPC's primary Goal is:

Iran Politics Club supports the fight to establish Freedom,
Secularism, Federalism, Human Rights and Democracy in Iran.

3rd Amendment of IPC teaches us:

3rd Amendment.
Iran Politics Club supports the achievement of equal rights for "All" Iranian (Persian) ethnic groups. Persian is the Latin term for Iranian; therefore, Persian means Iranian. IPC believes in all Iranian ethnic and racial groups including but not limited to: Persians, Azeris, Kurds, Turkmens, Baluchis, Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Assyrians, Blacks, Orientals, Indians and others, to have equal rights, equal votes, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of press, freedom of assembly and all other natural human rights and freedoms.


Please read:

IPC Constitution
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=7

In "A Vision for Iran of tomorrow" Lectures, Dr. X informs us:

"My vision is to revive the Persian Empire by primarily changing regime in Iran, build a strong Iran with Persian Nationalism & secondary, make the Persian Union a reality. Persian Union, meaning returning all Ex-States & present independent nations of Central Asia & Western Asia including:

Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Lower half of Pakistan (Baluchistan half), Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Greater part of Iraq, Bahrain and a small part of Kazakhstan,

..... back to Mother Persia by creating a strong Federal Economical Union called the Persian Union."


Please read:

A Vision for Iran of tomorrow (Nationalism) Series
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=483

Kurdistan and Kurds

Kurds are an Aryan Rooted Race, to be precise, Kurds are Median. Meds are one of the 3 major Aryan Tribes of Iran (Persia, Media, Parthia). Kurdish roots go back to 6th century BC, Median Kingdom of Iran. Since then, for off and on throughout the history, Kurdistan has been "a state" of Iran.

Persian Empire, especially Achaemenids Empire had respected and enforced "Federalism" throughout the Empire.

Persian Empire, has always enforced a Federal System of Government. All of the Persian Empire states (Satrapies) had total autonomy in their internal affairs. States had only contacted the central government for military campaigns, defense, international trades and special matters regarding national security of Empire.

Kurdon (Kurdistan) has always remained as a crucial and important state of the Persian Empire. When Islam entered Iran (invaded Iran), ignorance, racism, ethnic problems and centralism also entered Iran. There were no Kurdish or Ethnic problems before existence of Islam. Persian Empire, unlike the Fascist Roman Empire, was a Union of States with Equal rights. Kurds like every other state of the Greater Iran had equal rights. Persian Empire, from time to time was one of the two or the sole Super Power of the globe. Persian Empire stretched from China to North Africa, and from Yemen to Balkans in Europe. Kurdon was one state of Iran.

Kurdistan remained a state of Iran, off and on, after the independence 873 AD. Kurdistan remained a part of Iran until Ottoman Reign and by then there were conflicts over border territories.

Our mentor, Dr. X lectures us:

"Arabo_Muslim invaded us (Kurds and Persians), killed our fathers, raped our mothers, took our sisters as concubines and enslaved our brothers as free labor force. Get your facts straight and know the True Enemy."

Kurdish Roots

Kurds are Aryan. Kurdish Language is an Aryan off shoot Persian Language of the Indo European branch. Kurdish original religion is Zoroastrianism. Kurdish history is a part of the Persian history. Till a few hundred years ago, Kurdistan has always remained as a part of Iran. Primarily Arabo_Muslim (Caliphate) and then British policy has divided Kurdistan in to four parts (Syrian, Iraqi, Turkish and Iranian)!

Persian means Iranian. Persian is the Latin term for Iranian. Kurds were never a Persian Colony, but Kurds were always a devoted State of Iran. Kurds were and are Iranian. Kurds are one of the many Iranian Ethnicities.

Kurds and Persians have the same language, culture, religion, history and roots. You celebrate Persian Celebrations (Nowrooz, Chahar Shanbeh Soori, Sizdah Be Dar, Mehregan, etc.). You have the same race, the same culture, the same language family, the same humanity as Persians and all other Persian Tribes (Azeris, Baluchis, etc.)

British Policy of "Division and Rule" has divided us. Separatism, Independent Kurdistan and other nonsense are Foreign Sabotage to divide us.

Persian Tragedy

The whole region is in shambles because The Persian Empire is enslaved and occupied by Arabo_Muslim Occupational Government which Dr. X calls AIOG. When once again, we end the reign of Arabo_Muslim in Iran, we will free Iran and establish a government of Law and Order. We have done it before! We will establish Freedom, Secularism, Federalism, Human Rights and Democracy in Iran. After that, we will work towards creation of a "Persian Union".

As Dr. X puts it:

"A Persian Union to revive the Persian Empire by primarily changing regime in Iran, build a strong Iran with Persian Nationalism & secondary, make the Persian Union a reality. Persian Union, meaning returning all Ex-States & present independent nations of Central Asia & Western Asia including:

Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Lower half of Pakistan (Baluchistan half), Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Greater part of Iraq, Bahrain and a small part of Kazakhstan,

..... back to Mother Persia by creating a strong Federal Economical Union called the Persian Union."

Question?

When there will exist a strong economical, political, militaristic global power named "Persian Union", with an internal Federal System of Government, then why would little separate entities of the West and Central Asia rather stay separated from Mother Persia? Why would Kurdistan rather to struggle on her own than to join The Mother Land to fulfill her global duty? Why would you rather remain a small irrelevant country, when you can have blooming economy and sophisticated technology as a part of the future Persian Union? Isn't it beneficial for all of us to form a strong union as a global power by reviving our mother Persia?

We don't look at Kurds as a minority! Kurds are our own body parts and they are our brothers and sisters. You have as much rights to The Persian Empire as we do. Kurds and Persians are two split parts of a same apple.

Kurds are Persians.

If you comprehend the above fact, then fighting for an independent Kurdistan, Separatism, and other silly notions sounds idiotic. You have a greater goal in history. You the same as us, are a part of a greater cause which is called The creation of the "Persian Union" by reviving "The Persian Empire".

This task will become reality by victory over enemies including primarily, The Islamic Republic of Iran and Secondary, Arabo_Islamic Regional Forces.

From now on when you look at the region and the world, please look at it with an historical point of view, because ignorance is not a good excuse.

It is ignorant to talk about Afghans, Tajiks, Baluchis, Azeris, Persians, etc., etc., etc. and Kurds as separate entities! Because we are all, different parts of the same body. All of us are brothers and sisters. It will only take an open mind and some intelligence to review the history and to comprehend this fact.

The only possible future salvation for Kurdistan (All four parts) are to become a united solid Kurdistan, as a State of The Persian Union. This Kurdistan will have absolute autonomy and will be a part of the Federal Persian Union and Persian Empire. This Kurdistan will be relevant in the world. Separatism, Independence and other nonsense will destroy you.

If you are looking for an enemy, then look for Pan Arabism, Al Qaeda, Hizbollah, and their Master: Islamic Republic of Iran! We are not your enemy!

United we stand, divided we fall.

Before I leave you with these thoughts, I know for sure that some ignorant, stubborn, historically illiterate members of this board will start pointing fingers at other IPC members and me. Some of you will shout Persian Racism, Persian Chauvinism, Collaborator and Persian Nazism. I heard it before and dealt with these ignorant remarks before. For your information, The Founder of IPC, Dr. X himself is part Kurd and I am also part Kurd. So don't even go there. We are Kurds ourselves, so your nonsense about Persian Chauvinism will be dumped in trash can of history. Once again:

Kurds are Persian, so put that in your brains and I beg you to look at the Big Picture. We are the same, we are one and we are all brothers and sisters. Please excuse me because I have to leave. We have a global task to accomplish. Another day, another forum, another organization, another part of the Persian Tribe to inform. We always look at the Big Picture.

Our Dream will become Reality

Please remember that Hatred is not the answer. Please remember, our home is your home, so feel free to drop by. We welcome all of you.

Best Wishes

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PostAuthor: cheryl » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:39 am

"Arabo_Muslim invaded us (Kurds and Persians), killed our fathers, raped our mothers, took our sisters as concubines and enslaved our brothers as free labor force. Get your facts straight and know the True Enemy."


Iranians do the very same things in Kurdistan now.

You want to USE Kurds to recreate YOUR empire again? Why the hell should Kurds go along with that when they want independence from filthy Iranian/Arab/Turkish rule?

What does a PERSIAN union have to do with Kurdistan or Kurds? I don't see anything Kurdish in that.

I mean, if you want to prostitute yourself to Persians, Iranians or whatever the hell else kind of people you want to suck into your little fantasy, please, go ahead. But it really doesn't have anything to do with Kurds, and your racism is quite apparent in your attempt to place Kurds under some fantasy land NEW PERSIAN EMPIRE.

Would that be anything similar to Erdogan's stupid idea of "Identity: Turk; Sub-Identity: Kurd?"

Yeah, right. I know I believe you.

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PostAuthor: heval » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:04 am

Well, that was not even slightly amusing. And filled with fabrications...

Persian is not the latin term for Iranian though, but rather, for Parsi or Farsi. Many linguists would clam vice versa and say that Kurdish is the purer of the two and that Farsi is newer... although there is no proof for either theory... This topic is so counterintuitive - saying that Persian is synonymous with Iran will not attract Kurds to support this cause, but instead, further deter them.

What is the purpose of this post? I wonder why so many Iranian's dedicate their lives to publicly announcing their dream that Iran will undergo another revolution but they never do much more than talk - talk - talk.
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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:00 am

Kurdish Language is an Aryan off shoot Persian Language of the Indo European branch.


Kurdish is a shoot of persian language?
no offense but I would rather living with Mullahs than Racist Persians.

there was a Pro-Kingdom Pro Emprie persian that I talked to in the bus.
he used to say "mullah shouldnt kill humans...no humans should be killed , humans life is dear ...it is in Quran...."

then he disscued with me about kurds, I told him , i would like to see Kurdish language be tought in the schoools

and he said "hell NO! we are Persian , our offical langauage is persian, no other language must be teached "
then another kurd in the bus came to our dicssuion and Bravely said he wants independence ...

the Persian Guy said "you must be hanged ! you are traitor to Persia"
he he I thought the persian guy had said no human should be hanged...

these persian racists are so stupid.
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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:05 am

there will never be any Persian Union , we are not persian , were are Medyan .[maad]

everybody knows Cyrus (the king of so called persian empire) betrayed Harpag [the Mede minster] and took the power of the Medes by Coup Deta.

all of the things that Persian Empire had , was bulit and was made by Medes. by Medyan Empire.
Iran was made by Medes , if there was no Medes there was no Iran.
Kurds are sons of Medes, we are not Persian.

Persians are our relative ethinics . they are our brother . but we are not their son. we are brother and sister ,havnig the same parent [aryan] .
we never been Persian and we will never be persian.we are Kurd and Kurdistani.

an advise for you, the time for Making Empires has expired a long time ago... this world is the world of computer and intenret...there is no border.
borders are fading. think about a better thing to do , than making an ampire in year 2006.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:06 am

All of the Regional problems are because of historical ignorance

Well said !!! :lol:

According to linguists, Kurdish is to Persian what Italian is to French or English to neederlander language : close cousins, no more.
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:22 am

Indeed! CLOSE BROTHERS, NEWPHEWS.. that doesn't make you Persian. You have had MEDES, PERSIANS.. Kurds are not Iranians/Persians! WAKE UP. I am Dutch, my language is related to German, but I am German guy... they even call my languages a Germanic language.. does that mean I am german.

Sjeezzz. .go make your stupid propaganda somewhere else.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:18 pm

Kurds and Persians have the same language, culture, religion, history and roots. You celebrate Persian Celebrations (Nowrooz, Chahar Shanbeh Soori, Sizdah Be Dar, Mehregan, etc.).



HAHAHAHAHA!

Let's start with "Chahar Shanbeh Soori"... In the Persian LANGUAGE - this means NOTHING... In Kurdish it means "The Red Wednsday" - "Charshembe Sor" as it is in it's original version...

I will get back to the other two in a bit... I am in a hurry...
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PostAuthor: IPC » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:22 am

Dear Kurdish Brothers and Sisters:

This is the final response to your posts by the IPC Web Mistress:


http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewto ... 4f4f5#3062

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PostAuthor: heval » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:45 am

IPC wrote:Dear Kurdish Brothers and Sisters:

This is the final response to your posts by the IPC Web Mistress:


http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewto ... 4f4f5#3062

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I must say thanks for not posting your response in the NorthernIraq.Info forum (and instead posting it in your own) for it contains nothing more than fabrications from the dream of a Persian chauvinist, which is not welcome by us.

Speaking on behalf of my Kurdish brothers and sisters, I would like to say that we have nothing against our Persian, Arab or Turkish neighbors. Instead, we are only against the backwards mentality of which certain members of these ethnic groups hold. Keep in mind that it is YOUR organization who is spreading propaganda in another attempt to undermine the Kurdish Identity. Many Kurds would agree that our ancestry proves an Iranian identity. However, attempting to convince us that this Indo-Iranian identity is parallel to the ethnic Persian identity is not only ridiculous, but also, completely baseless.

You have claimed that Kurds were "always devoted to the state of Iran", however you neglect to mention the countless rebellions by Kurdish tribes throughout the Iranian Empire's history in attempt to gain sovereignty in the lands in which they lived. In addition, you make claims that we want parts of Turkey and Syria annexed to Kurdistan - and say it's a fantasy then go on to say every piece of Kurdistan will one day be annexed to Iran. You also intentionally neglect the facts (or perhaps lack the knowledge) that Kurds are a mixed race of over five tribes decending from the Caucases (Guti, Hurrian, Mitanni, etc) in addition to the Indo-Iranian Medes and have been living in the lands stretching from Turkey to Syria to Iraq thousands of years before the ethnic Persian tribes ever settled in the Middle East.

You also say there are many Kurds working in the IPC. Well, I will inform you that most of us other Kurds don't really care. First of all, most of us are NOT affiliated with any of those Kurdish organizations you listed and personally, I feel they do NOT represent the Kurdish voice by any means. Second, there were plenty of Kurds working for Saddam or still fight alongside the Turkish army. So what's your point?

All in all, there are plenty of other contradictions and misinformations you have posted but I will leave them be.

Best Wishes to you too...
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PostAuthor: tomjez » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:26 am

Honnestly what do you expect???

He is an iranian from SAN DIEGO, so he probalby has as much credibility to talk about Iran that Rumtaya to talk about assyrians: disconnected weirdo in Diaspora dreaming of something that does not exist...probably wishing a new persian empire from the Indus to the Bosphorus?

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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:55 am

We already encountered such a being before. After a while he run away Tomjez. I think it's quite unintelligent they are bashing the idea of a greater Kurdistan, while they advocate a "great Persian empire" similiar to the European union..:roll: .. undeluted by Turks and Arabs..

[I wonder what will happen with the Ahwazi Arabs in this empire...and Kurds..etc]

I am still living in Holland. Not in the diaspora! I hope one day we Germanic Aryans can establish our Germanic empire again.. just like those Iranians!!



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nice words, nice promises, but then the reality...

PostAuthor: shino » Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:36 am

After the first WW, the Turks had allready promised to Kurds to create a union, in which they would live as brethern in equality, and we have seen the result.
To live in brotherhood with any people ok, but not in the same house.
Agirê shoresh herdem hil be!!!!!!

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Re: nice words, nice promises, but then the reality...

PostAuthor: Vladimir » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:19 pm

shino wrote:After the first WW, the Turks had allready promised to Kurds to create a union, in which they would live as brethern in equality, and we have seen the result.
To live in brotherhood with any people ok, but not in the same house.


Turks promised Kurds autonomy. I think you mean that;).
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Re: nice words, nice promises, but then the reality...

PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:56 pm

Vladimir wrote:
shino wrote:After the first WW, the Turks had allready promised to Kurds to create a union, in which they would live as brethern in equality, and we have seen the result.
To live in brotherhood with any people ok, but not in the same house.


Turks promised Kurds autonomy. I think you mean that;).


Nope... It was called a "Kurdish-Turkish brotherhood under one country - and with equal rights - and ALSO an autonomous Kurdish state in the East...
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