Do you guys consider Hewramans to be Pahli Kurds?

[kurd-sthanam]

Firstly you posted a music video, so hardly possible for me to understand it. Trust me if I posted an Ilami halparke you would not understand what the singer is saying. Even for myself I have hard time to heard the lyrics in my own dialect.

Firstly please don't group Kirmanshahi and Feyli the same, ITS NOT. Secondly I never said Hewrami is Feyli, I just stated Laki is closer to Hewrami and that its a Gurani sub-group.

Ok tell me what this Khaluri Feyli is saying, his accent is sorani influenced, if you don't understand him then you will have no chance in understanding my feyli from Ilam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPsWeEh5-Q

i knew you will have a excuse... the song is slow and not halparke why did you not understand? so post a hewrami video or text you can understand...

i understood 60%-80% of the vid you posted.

but i posted zazaki conversation why could you not translate that? you say its pehli... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3CZZ26UPnk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

- i can understand almost all of the conversation...

[jjmuneer]

Firstly you posted a music video, so hardly possible for me to understand it. Trust me if I posted an Ilami halparke you would not understand what the singer is saying. Even for myself I have hard time to heard the lyrics in my own dialect.

Firstly please don't group Kirmanshahi and Feyli the same, ITS NOT. Secondly I never said Hewrami is Feyli, I just stated Laki is closer to Hewrami and that its a Gurani sub-group.

Ok tell me what this Khaluri Feyli is saying, his accent is sorani influenced, if you don't understand him then you will have no chance in understanding my feyli from Ilam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPsWeEh5-Q

i knew you will have a excuse... the song is slow and not halparke why did you not understand? so post a hewrami video or text you can understand...

i understood 60%-80% of the vid you posted.

but i posted zazaki conversation why could you not translate that? you say its pehli... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3CZZ26UPnk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

- i can understand almost all of the conversation...

What was the Fayli man saying then?

I never said I understand Zazaki lol, stop putting words into my mouth. I said Hewrami is a Pahli dialect, but it grew apart due to tribal divisions etc.. I could still probably understand most of it.

[unitedkurdistan]

"Ok tell me what this Khaluri Feyli is saying, his accent is sorani influenced, if you don't understand him then you will have no chance in understanding my feyli from Ilam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPsWeEh5-Q&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

" I understood all of it except a few words, Fayli is just a kurdish dialect not another language which you are trying to make it look like. Hawrami has it's own beauty so I don't wanna mix with another dialect even if it share similairties fayli, so does Sorani and probably Kurmanji.

[kurd-sthanam]

What was the Fayli man saying then?

i had written down what the host sad before, and i even translated it to kurmanci there were little differents, and now i dont want to play time with you, when you can than translate this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60MAn423AM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[jjmuneer]

"Ok tell me what this Khaluri Feyli is saying, his accent is sorani influenced, if you don't understand him then you will have no chance in understanding my feyli from Ilam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPsWeEh5-Q&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

" I understood all of it except a few words, Fayli is just a kurdish dialect not another language which you are trying to make it look like. Hawrami has it's own beauty so I don't wanna mix with another dialect even if it share similairties fayli, so does Sorani and probably Kurmanji.

I never said it wasn't a Kurdish dialect, it just isn't Kurmanci as Kurdi-Snthanam tries to make out. Nor does he have any sources or linguists that say otherwise. You are an eastern Kurd with Fayli ancestry, so you will ovbiously understand some of it. Look just accept Laki is a Gorani dialect with Kurmanci influence.

Tell me is this the same
Sorani:Bo Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bûrû Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Warra Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşa Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêsta Fayli:Bûs

[jjmuneer]

What was the Fayli man saying then?

i had written down what the host sad before, and i even translated it to kurmanci there were little differents, and now i dont want to play time with you, when you can than translate this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60MAn423AM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Where is what you have written down? Write it here then.
Why do you always post Hewrami Gorani or Zazakis speaking. I told you post Hewrami speaking. I can understand what the lady is skinny, but as I said speech is better to understand.
Besides your the one who is palying, I've already shown several sources that back my point up, you have shown none except my own lol.

[jjmuneer]

OK ok I make excuses, but understand these : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVxayeaWMOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvp8zoIKOV8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjP4g8XE8A4&feature=relmfu

[kurd-sthanam]

Sorani:Bo chî Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bro Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Were Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşe Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêste Fayli:Bûs

again these are small differents. the different is almost like east kurmanji and west kurmanji (spoken by minority)

i see
feyli: eynim
sorani: ebînim
kurmanji: dibînim
west kurmanji: toynim
hewrami: mewînu

[unitedkurdistan]

"Ok tell me what this Khaluri Feyli is saying, his accent is sorani influenced, if you don't understand him then you will have no chance in understanding my feyli from Ilam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPsWeEh5-Q&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

" I understood all of it except a few words, Fayli is just a kurdish dialect not another language which you are trying to make it look like. Hawrami has it's own beauty so I don't wanna mix with another dialect even if it share similairties fayli, so does Sorani and probably Kurmanji.

I never said it wasn't a Kurdish dialect, it just isn't Kurmanci as Kurdi-Snthanam tries to make out. Nor does he have any sources or linguists that say otherwise. You are an eastern Kurd with Fayli ancestry, so you will ovbiously understand some of it. Look just accept Laki is a Gorani dialect with Kurmanci influence.

Tell me is this the same
Sorani:Bo Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bûrû Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Warra Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşa Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêsta Fayli:Bûs

But you said it was another kurdish language or you are trying to make it look like that. I have Kalhori ancestry which is Kurdí Xuwarig( southern kurdish) which share similairties with fayli. Then tell me how come kurd-sthanam understood what the faylis were saying. I have not said anything about Laki is a Gorani dialect with Kurmanci influence or anything about that.

"Tell me is this the same
Sorani:Bo Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bûrû Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Warra Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşa Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêsta Fayli:Bûs"

The only southern kurdish words that I have used during my life in the list you showed is Bûçû and Bê. I find some words to be teh same and some not, however I think another reason for why I do also understand Southern Kurdish better is because southern kurdish share more words with persian and sadly I know persian.

[jjmuneer]

Sorani:Bo chî Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bro Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Were Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşe Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêste Fayli:Bûs

again these are small differents. the different is almost like east kurmanji and west kurmanji (spoken by minority)

i see
feyli: eynim
sorani: ebînim
kurmanji: dibînim
west kurmanji: toynim
hewrami: mewînu

It may be small, but non the less it makes a big difference when you have alot of small differences. By the way Bo and Chi is not the same thing. Chi means what in Sorani.

[unitedkurdistan]

Sorani:Bo chî Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bro Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Were Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşe Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêste Fayli:Bûs

again these are small differents. the different is almost like east kurmanji and west kurmanji (spoken by minority)

i see
feyli: eynim
sorani: ebînim
kurmanji: dibînim
west kurmanji: toynim
hewrami: mewînu

How come I say eywînem

[jjmuneer]

But you said it was another kurdish language or you are trying to make it look like that. I have Kalhori ancestry which is Kurdí Xuwarig( southern kurdish) which share similairties with fayli. Then tell me how come kurd-sthanam understood what the faylis were saying. I have not said anything about Laki is a Gorani dialect with Kurmanci influence or anything about that.

"Tell me is this the same
Sorani:Bo Fayli:Erêçe
Sorani:Bûrû Fayli:Bûçû
Sorani:Warra Fayli: Bîê
Sorani: Danîşa Fayli: Bênîş
Sorani: Rawêsta Fayli:Bûs"

The only southern kurdish words that I have used during my life in the list you showed is Bûçû and Bê. I find some words to be teh same and some not, however I think another reason for why I do also understand Southern Kurdish better is because southern kurdish share more words with persian and sadly I know persian.

When did I say it was another language? I stated it was Pahlawani Kurdish, whilst Kurmanci is Median Kurdish.
Exactly you just said it yourself Khalori shares "some" similarities with Fayli. It was influenced by it, but this Kurdi-Snthanam is taking it for Fayli.
Kurdi Snthanam didn't understand what the Feyli man was saying, he never even translated it. He is just lying to himself and I really don't bother with liars.
Southern Kurdish(Xawarig) was just made up by some linguists who have no regard for the diferent dialects. They should just unify Khaluri with Sorani and Fayli with Hewrami.
By the way Fayli isn't Persian influenced, its is only that Pesian was actually feyli influenced through the Parthians.

[Kurdistano]

Guys its a matter of fact that Hewrami is part of the Gurans and they understand Feyli better than Zazaki. Zazaki and Hewrami just share some historical similarities which shows us that they were once the same but a Zaza in my opinion can understand a Kurmanji better than Hewrami.

[kurd-sthanam]

It may be small, but non the less it makes a big difference when you have alot of small differences. By the way Bo and Chi is not the same thing. Chi means what in Sorani.

Bo = For
Chî =what.
Bo chî = what for (why).

the same in feyli erre che. not right?

kurmancî:
ji bo = because of,
ji bo chi ?= because of what ?
ji chi ra = for what?
chima? = why?
chim = reason
chimku = because

[unitedkurdistan]

Not true because I could hear many sorani related words during the conversation. I'm a not good at Kurmanci very sadly so I don't know about that. I never said fayli was persian influenced. If you go and read through some of your comments you'll see what I mean with trying to make it look like Fayli is another major kurdish dialect like Sorani and Kurmanci. Why do you wanna unify? If you now understand want a zazaki speaker or hawrami speaker says than unify but why? I think I'll stick to say Southern Kurdish because it is eassier and much more understandable. The southern kurdish dialects are similair to each other right? Then there is no need for change