Dangerous ideologies for Kurds

[brendar]

If the kurds in the north have gained something or gain anything in the future, it will because of the influence of the KRG and nothing else.

Of coruse you are right and I hope the KRG will have more influence in north Kurdistan in the future, but KRG dont can represent the northern Kurds, they can not go to the elections etc.

North Kurdistan need a Nationalist party which is focused on freedom for Kurdistan and not a Communist or Islamic party, which destroy our freedom movement.

So what the hell are they waiting for? Why are they not waking up?

If 20 million people rely on PKK, then they will stay as slaves for the rest of their lives.

I repeat again, I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN KURDS IN THE NORTH DEMONSTRATE FOR THE KURDISH AND KURDISTAN CAUSE. THEY NEVER EVER RAISE KURDISTAN FLAG. All they say is OCALAN.....etc. Thank god we have Demirtas that says something once a while, otherwise no one will ever know that there are even kurds in turkey.

I dont blame turkey for saying kurds dont exist in turkey. Do you know why? Because only Demirtas talks about kurds, the rest of the 20 million are just spectators.

[talsor]

I do not care much for Communism and Feminism which I think is an exaggerated fear because neither materialized in any part of the world .

Its a failed dirty ideology and the PKK and BDP use Kurds to fight for this ideologies. The PKK is not a Kurdish army they are a Apoist Femenist army.

Its time for a new nationalist movement.

I get it heval
You are telling us what the problem is without offering a solution . PKK is badly needed in Northern Kurdistan for now since there is no one else . when there is a replacement for pkk then we can talk , but for now we have to work with what we have .
Portraying PKK in a bad way does not help our cause at all . I understand there is some serious problems within the organization that needs to be changed and fixed but to call for removal of PKK from the arena is Totally wrong . PKK need to change not to be substituted , because that will never happen .

[Cewlik]

PKK need to change

Nobody can change the view from a Apoist. Öcalan is God for them.

I alredy say what I want, I want a real nationalist Kurdish party which replac the Apoists in north Kurdistan.

I dont can see anymore that the PKK and BDP demonstrate for Öcalan, even here in germany they demonstrate only for Öcalan, they make hunger strikes for Öcalan, they even use Newroz to demonstrate only for Öcalan, they have shirts with Öcalan, flags with Öcalan, they only say Biji Serok Apo, they live in a Apoist world.

talsor I dont agree with you, nothink will change if we Kurds dont wake up, the PKK is radical, so the Kurdish nationalists must also be radical to have a change and to replace the Apoists.

[max_b]

Heval talsor thank you
But bira cewlik it reali isnt like that anymore, serok karayilan is taking the party to all new hights, did you watch them clips, watch karayilans speeches, every one wants change now

Talsor simply endeed the descussion

[talsor]

PKK need to change

Nobody can change the view from a Apoist. Öcalan is God for them.

I alredy say what I want, I want a real nationalist Kurdish party which replac the Apoists in north Kurdistan.

I dont can see anymore that the PKK and BDP demonstrate for Öcalan, even here in germany they demonstrate only for Öcalan, they make hunger strikes for Öcalan, they even use Newroz to demonstrate only for Öcalan, they have shirts with Öcalan, flags with Öcalan, they only say Biji Serok Apo, they live in a Apoist world.

talsor I dont agree with you, nothink will change if we Kurds dont wake up, the PKK is radical, so the Kurdish nationalists must also be radical to have a change and to replace the Apoists.

It is shameful and embarrassing to say "azadi for ocalan u asti bo kurdistan " and honestly I stopped attending their rallies for this exact reason . It makes me feel so stupid and so small minded with APo's flag handed over by hundreds and not a single Kurdish flag , but as a nationalist kurd I would have to support them and I think we all should considering the alternatives , because even a delusional Kurds is still better than a turk .

When Northern Kurdistan is liberated and there peace Apocis will not survive and that I can promise you . Radical ideologies do not survive in the time of peace but strangely it thrives in the time of war . so be hopeful here .

[talsor]

Heval talsor thank you
But bira cewlik it reali isnt like that anymore, serok karayilan is taking the party to all new hights, did you watch them clips, watch karayilans speeches, every one wants change now

Talsor simply endeed the descussion

No heval it is true , because even Karalyian announced last year that the focus of the Kurdish struggle will be on freeing Ocalan only using civil disobedience and demonstrations and PKK/BDP have been doing that since then . There is rarely talk about Kurdistan and Kurdish rights within turkey and PKK's GOALS went from independent Kurdistan to basic human rights after Ocalan was captured . So heval Cewlik is right in pointing the finger and I think we all should to a certain extend .

[max_b]

i don't doubt that hev
but my man is saying they dont fight for kurdish freedom?
in them clips i posted they both talk about freedom

[Cewlik]

When Northern Kurdistan is liberated and there peace Apocis will not survive and that I can promise you.

Hopefully, but to liberate north Kurdistan, Kurdish nationalisim must rise up.

Do you know that they plan to build a Islamic party in North Kurdistan? So there will be Islamic, Communist, Femenist and Turkish parties and nationalist Kurds like me have no party that represents them.

And thats why the Communists Turks and Islamists can use this to present themselves as the representatives of the Kurds and they can use the Kurds for their Apoisim Assimilation or Islam and nobody care about Kurdistan.

If there is no nationalist Kurdish Party, the Kurds have no other choice as to vote for the BDP, AKP or in the futur for the Islamic parties. So the BDP win seats in the parliament and what did they do with that, they meet other politicans only to talk about Öcalan, they organize demonstrations only to demonstrate for Öcalan.

It is time for a nationalist Kurdish party, which will establish a nationalist movement in north Kurdistan and which will show the world what Kurds really want, because they will not use all their meetings and demonstations only to talk about one Person.

[Cewlik]

i don't doubt that hev
but my man is saying they dont fight for kurdish freedom?
in them clips i posted they both talk about freedom

Okey heval, look we Kurds have brains, we dont can trust every party only because they say in some speeches that they support Kurdish rights. Gorran also try to bring chaos to Kurdistan in the name of Kurdish rights. But only because they say that, its not true.

Every party have a main goal. And PKKs main goal is Öcalan and only Öcalan, all the demonstrations and speeches etc. are only for Öcalan. And some rare demands for Kurdish rights dont change the fact that their main goal is Öcalan.

[talsor]

Hopefully, but to liberate north Kurdistan, Kurdish nationalisim must rise up.

Do you know that they plan to build a Islamic party in North Kurdistan? So there will be Islamic, Communist, Femenist and Turkish parties and nationalist Kurds like me have no party that represents them.

And thats why the Communists Turks and Islamists can use this to present themselves as the representatives of the Kurds and they can use the Kurds for their Apoisim Assimilation or Islam and nobody care about Kurdistan.

If there is no nationalist Kurdish Party, the Kurds have no other choice as to vote for the BDP, AKP or in the futur for the Islamic parties. So the BDP win seats in the parliament and what did they do with that, they meet other politicans only to talk about Öcalan, they organize demonstrations only to demonstrate for Öcalan.

It is time for a nationalist Kurdish party, which will establish a nationalist movement in north Kurdistan and which will show the world what Kurds really want, because they will not use all their meetings and demonstations only to talk about one Person.

Establish "Kurdistan Nationalist party" and consider me as your first member .

In the time of war everyone is needed heval including Apocis and they have been successful in creating lots of problems for turkey which is good for us . PKK hardly represents the majority of Kurds in Northern Kurdistan , but it is what we have now and we have to work with what we have . When peace established majority of people will not accept such ideology so they will either have to change or die .

[max_b]

okay heval, i think that the main reason young kurds join the pkk is to stop the oppression on kurds,
there is a monopoly on freedom fighters in kurdistan, they deffently need to change the name

i know your going to get on to me but a name like KLO (kurdistan liberation organisation) is a good one

[alan131210]

Guys pls refrain from insulting one other we are better than that, pkk maybe choose ocalan before autonomy but they are still killing Turkish terrorist soldiers and most of the freedom given to Kurds today was the outcome from pkk.

[max_b]

okay heval, i think that the main reason young kurds join the pkk is to stop the oppression on kurds,
there is a monopoly on freedom fighters in kurdistan, they deffently need to change the name

i know your going to get on to me but a name like KLO (kurdistan liberation organisation) is a good one

Heval alan if tomorrow they asked serok karayilan so you want kurdish autonomy or the freedom of apo he would choose apo?
Surely not?

[Cewlik]

okay heval, i think that the main reason young kurds join the pkk is to stop the oppression on kurds,
there is a monopoly on freedom fighters in kurdistan, they deffently need to change the name

i know your going to get on to me but a name like KLO (kurdistan liberation organisation) is a good one

Heval alan if tomorrow they asked serok karayilan so you want kurdish autonomy or the freedom of apo he would choose apo?

Of course he would. Thats their main goal.

[hevalo27]

The truth is that the kurds in the north are in a long sleep. Come on, 20 millions kurds in turkey cannot run a proper demonstration all over the north! If all those 20 million kurds vote for BDP, we will be holding half of the fascist turkish parliaments seats.

If the kurds in the north have gained something or gain anything in the future, it will because of the influence of the KRG and nothing else.

The kurds in the north are busy with islam and turkish series. There is no excuse for them what so ever.

this is crap ! do you know how many kurdish revolts were beat blodily in the 20th century?
the nato and usa helped turkey since turkey is natomember. the USA had many military support centers, bunkers and missile defense systems in northkurdistan during the cold war, so they were never interested in overthrow the allied turkish government.