Peshmerga

[kurdistanis1]

No offense, but I think it's a bit too early to be thinking about buying jets, let alone making them. Do we even have pilots that can fly airplanes? S.Kurdistan has been the least developed between the other parts and the population on average is not as educated as the rest of Kurdistan. It's faced the most destruction and it will take years before the new generation's can take over from the older guys.

Lets be honest, we have no chance against Turkey or Iran in an all out war. The best choice would be to make as many bases as we can in the mountains and develop tunnels, that can stop any army from a ground invasion. Other than that, it would be best to continue developing the country, so it can be self sufficient.In other areas that are much easier to develop at the moment, like food and other fields.

[Kurdistano]

to be honest everything what needs to be explained was already explained and I am not going to repeat it. All your arguments make no sense when you are surrounded by Countries which just want to see you stay weak. And that You and me have different opinions we also saw when you just search for a reason to insult Barzani. Somehow I have the feeling that UnitedKurdistan and you are well known to each other.

[kurdistanis1]

to be honest everything what needs to be explained was already explained and I am not going to repeat it. All your arguments make no sense when you are surrounded by Countries which just want to see you stay weak. And that You and me have different opinions we also saw when you just search for a reason to insult Barzani. Somehow I have the feeling that UnitedKurdistan and you are well known to each other.

ha? ofcourse we have different opinions, it's a forum where people discuss Different opinions. and the part about Barzani really makes no sense, where have I insulted him? lol

[Kurdistano]

to be honest everything what needs to be explained was already explained and I am not going to repeat it. All your arguments make no sense when you are surrounded by Countries which just want to see you stay weak. And that You and me have different opinions we also saw when you just search for a reason to insult Barzani. Somehow I have the feeling that UnitedKurdistan and you are well known to each other.

ha? ofcourse we have different opinions, it's a forum where people discuss Different opinions. and the part about Barzani really makes no sense, where have I insulted him? lol

My fault. I mistaked you for unitedKurdistan. You guys have very´similar point of views and names.

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[alan131210]

who says KAR has Mil Mi-17 ?? any proof !! i want the link boys .

[Kurdistano]

who says KAR has Mil Mi-17 ?? any proof !! i want the link boys .

No one. Actually it was Rando who wrote that he saw some Mi-17 among Peshmergas and asked if they belong them. I wrote if they even belong to Baghdad and it is in our hand than this means it is ours too.

[unitedkurdistan]

No offense, but I think it's a bit too early to be thinking about buying jets, let alone making them. Do we even have pilots that can fly airplanes? S.Kurdistan has been the least developed between the other parts and the population on average is not as educated as the rest of Kurdistan. It's faced the most destruction and it will take years before the new generation's can take over from the older guys.

Lets be honest, we have no chance against Turkey or Iran in an all out war. The best choice would be to make as many bases as we can in the mountains and develop tunnels, that can stop any army from a ground invasion. Other than that, it would be best to continue developing the country, so it can be self sufficient.In other areas that are much easier to develop at the moment, like food and other fields.

Thank you! Another one who agrees.

[unitedkurdistan]

guys,is there any reliable sources to show what equippment peshmerga use?
is there any reliable sources to prove that peshmerga holds military helicopters right now?
if there is,can you please post the link on roj bash kurdistan(this topic)?
i personally has seen many pictures and videos of helicopters in kurdistan,but im wondering,does these belong to UN/america or iraqi army,or do they belong to the peshmerga?

Peshmerga have between 20 and 30 helis,i can't find the site, but i remember that it was black hawks, and they bought the helis for a cheap price. Right now i think we have 12 educated by now, coz it was a long time ago. It was an american site.

thank you.
ive heard that we also have 5-8 mi-17 and mi-8s,and ive seen some pictures of them in hewler/erbil. do you belive these belong to peshmerga too,or are they only UN/iraqi helicopters in kurdistan?

I think those do belong to iraq, since saddam bought many of these from Russia, Serbia. Those helis may be stationed in Hewler, from the time Saddam were going to move a big part of his airforce to an militaryairport that was never finished in the northen parts of S.K. Or maybe Peshmerga, took the helis, like we took many tanks.

[unitedkurdistan]

By the way, i just found out that the budget KRG is getting from central government is 10 billion and this years it will be 13 billion US dollars. But that doesn't mean we have more. We also get the money from exporting 50 000 barels legal, and 70 000 ilegal.[/quote]

taxes collected from the borders are few billions as well .[/quote]

dinars? Dollars, no. Maybe 100 million or something.

[Kurdistano]

Unitedkurdistan and Kurdistanis1, you guys shouldnt put most of your efforts on this Forum in trying to convince Kurds to be against arming themselves by buying new Jets.

Something else. Just recently Maliki said in a statement in response to the Diyala issue, "Autonomy is something imposed on us from foreign powers" now make your own mind what he tried to say with this and than tell me its too early to buy weapons. You have to be either a Gorran/KIU follower or stupid to believe Kurds would make better in not arming themselves.

[kurdistanis1]

Unitedkurdistan and Kurdistanis1, you guys shouldnt put most of your efforts on this Forum in trying to convince Kurds to be against arming themselves by buying new Jets.

Something else. Just recently Maliki said in a statement in response to the Diyala issue, "Autonomy is something imposed on us from foreign powers" now make your own mind what he tried to say with this and than tell me its too early to buy weapons. You have to be either a Gorran/KIU follower or stupid to believe Kurds would make better in not arming themselves.

lol what? I have made one post in this topic. I'm sorry buddy, I don't think us buying jets to sit around and rust to the ground is a good idea. But sure why not, go by 20 of them and just use it as decoration. I'm not against arming the army, but buying Jets isn't very high on my list at the moment.

[Kurdistano]

Unitedkurdistan and Kurdistanis1, you guys shouldnt put most of your efforts on this Forum in trying to convince Kurds to be against arming themselves by buying new Jets.

Something else. Just recently Maliki said in a statement in response to the Diyala issue, "Autonomy is something imposed on us from foreign powers" now make your own mind what he tried to say with this and than tell me its too early to buy weapons. You have to be either a Gorran/KIU follower or stupid to believe Kurds would make better in not arming themselves.

lol what? I have made one post in this topic. I'm sorry buddy, I don't think us buying jets to sit around and rust to the ground is a good idea. But sure why not, go by 20 of them and just use it as decoration. I'm not against arming the army, but buying Jets isn't very high on my list at the moment.

And again you seem to have overlooked my post or simply ignored it. We are living in an area where you are almost entirely surrounded by "enemies". Maliki is now calling South Kurdistan autonomy openly as not "acceptable" impose of foreign Powers. And you still ask me what kind of use would Jets have for us? Dude are you kidding me?

[Rando]

i see kurdistanis1 and united kurdistans points. it is hard to believe we kurds will get an air-force so soon. i never tought we would buy jets so soon either. i tought kurdistan was going to buy jets in the 2020s.
But i believe the article alan posted,and i am pretty sure KRG is goiing to buy jets.if you look at the situation in iraq,we are not wanted there by the arabs. and now that US has leaved iraq,we must defend ourselfs


i completely agree with kurdistano that we need an air force NOW. after what maliki said,S.K is in danger.
And the iraqi army is stronger than the peshmerga right now,so We need a rapid modernization of our army.
They have abrams Tanks now,and they are going to Buy F-16. We need an army who can confront those weapons.
and IF we can`t confront them in quality, then maybe in quanity. we captured hundreds of tanks from saddam,we could pay russia to upgrade them. If they would upgrade out lion of bablyons to T-72B,we would most likely defeat iraqs ground army. Even tough abrams is better than T-72B,we have much more than iraq has of abrams. we could defeat the iraqi army,like soviet/allies defeated Nazi-germany in ww2. we have a chance against the iraqi army,we only need to modernaize our army.

[Kurdistano]

@Rando agreed with you but it is not true that the Iraqi Army is more modern than the Peshmerga. The differences are minimal. Baghdad bought 15 F16 Jets but as a response to the reactions from Turkey and what is happening now with Maliki they dont want to sell anymore F16 to them. The Peshmerga based on weapons are on the same level as the Iraqi Army but who knows for how long? Baghdad will definitely arm themselves more thats why it sounds in my ears very stupid when someone says "Kurdistan doesnt need to buy Jets".

[unitedkurdistan]

i see kurdistanis1 and united kurdistans points. it is hard to believe we kurds will get an air-force so soon. i never tought we would buy jets so soon either. i tought kurdistan was going to buy jets in the 2020s.
But i believe the article alan posted,and i am pretty sure KRG is goiing to buy jets.if you look at the situation in iraq,we are not wanted there by the arabs. and now that US has leaved iraq,we must defend ourselfs


i completely agree with kurdistano that we need an air force NOW. after what maliki said,S.K is in danger.
And the iraqi army is stronger than the peshmerga right now,so We need a rapid modernization of our army.
They have abrams Tanks now,and they are going to Buy F-16. We need an army who can confront those weapons.
and IF we can`t confront them in quality, then maybe in quanity. we captured hundreds of tanks from saddam,we could pay russia to upgrade them. If they would upgrade out lion of bablyons to T-72B,we would most likely defeat iraqs ground army. Even tough abrams is better than T-72B,we have much more than iraq has of abrams. we could defeat the iraqi army,like soviet/allies defeated Nazi-germany in ww2. we have a chance against the iraqi army,we only need to modernaize our army.

My friend, my brother. Of course we need an modern army NOW. But if we don't afford, how the hell can we become modern. Peshmerga don't even have an propper budget right now!

Saturday, 24 December 2011, 08:03 GMT
Peshmarga budget still unresolved


A unit of Peshmarga soldiers marches at a training compound near Erbil, February 3, 2010./ GLOBE PHOTO/ Safin Hamed
The Kurdish Globe

Iraq's 2012 draft budget allocates nothing to Peshmarga Forces

While Iraq's 2012 draft budget increased dramatically, and the budget for the Iraqi Defense System is 7 trillion Iraqi dinars (approximately $5 billion), Kurdistan Regional Government Peshmarga Forces, which are constitutionally part of the Iraqi Defense System, have not been allocated a penny according to the budget draft that is currently in Parliament.

The Iraqi Defense System budget has eaten more than 1 trillion ID from Kurdistan Region's 17 percent share in the annual national budget.

In Paragraph 5 of Article 13 of the draft budget it is mentioned that the expenses of the Peshmarga Forces includes salaries, equipment and other items.

However, the Peshmarga Forces have no budget allocated, and the draft budget requires that these expenses also depend on the coordination between the national and regional parliaments. Moreover, it also states that even after agreement between the two parliaments about any budget, it would be allocated only if the oil revenues increase beyond the estimated figure set in the draft.

For Jabar Yawar from KRG Ministry of Peshmarga, this paragraph seems like a way to ignore the budget for the Peshmarga Forces, rather than allocating it.

Iraqi Parliament's Fiance Committee member Ahmed Chawsheen, on the other hand, sees this paragraph as ambiguous and weak, and believes it should clearly state the amount allocated for Peshamarga Forces.

As the draft budget allocates around 7.5 trillion ID for Iraqi Defense and Intelligence systems, and nothing has been allocated for Kurdistan, it means Kurdistan Region has to contribute 17 percent out of its share to the defense and security of other parts of the country while it has not been given any budget to defend and protect itself.

Yawar claims Peshmarga Forces have never received money, weapons, uniforms, fuel or food from Baghdad.

Although it was decided that after the creation of the country's eight army units, Baghdad should allocate budgets for them in Kurdistan, Yawar stated in an interview with The Kurdish Globe that KRG is now allocating budget for these eight units and all other employees of the ministry.

Dler Tariq, spokesperson of the KRG Ministry of Finance, confirmed that Peshmarga's budget for the past few years has been stuck in Baghdad and KRG has reluctantly been forced to allocate budget to it.

According to Tariq, the Peshmarga budget is one of the biggest financial issues between Baghdad and Erbil, which is still to be resolved.

Although KRG authorities visit Baghdad several times a year, hoping to reach an agreement with the central government, instead of moving towards a solution these issues are getting larger.

This year, in addition to not allocating budget for Peshmarga, the Region's total budget share has been reduced from the original 17 percent to around 10.7 percent.

Other serious unresolved issues between KRG and Iraqi government is the Oil and Gas Law, which after four years, has not been legislated.

This comes at a time when Kurdistan Region acts as a moderator and seeks solutions to problems and crises in Iraq.

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