Map of kurdistan

[alan131210]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

yes indeed dear , kurdistan survived a landlock from iraq Iran Syria and turkey and an international embargo from 91-2003 . kurdistan back then did not have 2 international airports which soon are to be 4 . kurdistan did not have 2300 factories and 12000 companies . kurdistan did not have 40 oil companies drilling in kurdistan back then including Exxon Mobil one of the 6th largest oil companies in the world . kurdistan did not have 24 consulates . kurdistan did not have its own electricity and power stations and kurdistan did not have 2 oil refineries . kurdistan wont be landlocked totally anymore as Assad is pissing off soon. and kurdistan's infrastructure has improved by 80% compared with 91-03 .

[alan131210]

Anyone with at least some common knowledge of geopolics knows that that is not a good idea either.

Why isn't? New pipelines are being build in Russia and Turkey to EU.. KRG will use them..

The revenue from oil export to greedy capitalist countries will not at all equate to what we are entitled to. Just look at all those failed Arab states to consider my point of view. Did they experience the 'Great Leap Forward' from years of resource drainage, the method to national advancement which we are so desparate at using for? I don't think so.

Let's not become another failed Arab state, and be the spearheaders of change in the Middle East. This will be of a highly positive effect for our prestige in the West.

i dont know which arab countries you are comparing with kurdistan , kurdistan has 45 billion barrels of reserve oil and 100-200 trillion M3 of Gas , that is something , the whole EU is eying kurdistan and even turkey is after our gas and want to import our gas and connect it to nabucco , do you know what this mean ? this means turkey will never attack us but help us get there , they have realized they need us its not just we needing them . if they want to progress they need energy and kurdistan is just the source for that and its next door to them .

read this

Genel Enerji Plans New Kurdistan-Turkey Pipeline, FT Reports

Genel Enerji AS plans to build a pipeline that will connect its fields in the Kurdish regions in northern Iraq to a port in Turkey on the Mediterranean, the Financial Times reported on Monday. The pipeline will have a capacity to export 400,000 barrels of oil a day, it said, citing Tony Hayward, the former head of BP Plc, who runs the investment company Vallares Plc that has announced an agreement to merge with Genel Energi. bloomberg.com

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... al1001.htm

and this page

http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5889&start=30

and this

Iraqi kurdistan to compete with Russia and Iran in natural gas market, Oil and gas experts

Tuesday, November 15, 2011 14:05 GMT

Iraqi kurdistan is expected to compete with both Iran and Russia in natural gas market in Turkey and Europe thanks to its geographic location and equipment prices, oil and gas experts said on Sunday.
“The European Union has real interests in Iraq’s Kurdistan region. Kurdistan’s biggest opportunities will be coming from the European Union which wants to import gas from Middle East and Kurdistan region is on its borders,” John Robert, a marketing expert said on the sidelines of an energy conference held in Irbil and attended by Alsumarianews.
“Turkey’s demand for gas will double in the upcoming decade and Kurdistan region should move along in works and start competing in that market,” Robert uttered, calling Iraq to follow the example of Russia and Iran in developing its natural gas production.
“Kurdistan region can start exporting gas after meeting all the needs of the local market. It would be able to aim at Turkish market by the year 2015 and to start competing with Russia and Iran, which is possible because of its geographic location” Saad Saadallah, trade counselor for the Ministry of Natural Resources in Kurdistan Region Government said during the conference.
Aydın Selcen, Turkish consul general in Irbil said on the sidelines of the conference that Turkey’s development rate is very high and the same should diversify its oil and gas import sources. “We export a lot of gas from Russia and the best alternative would be Kurdistan region”, he added.
“Turkey aims to reach the highest level of synergy with the region and we are doing so through highways, airlines as well as oil and gas transportation pipelines via the borders”, Turkish Consul stressed.
“The development in oil and gas sector in Kurdistan region raised my interest”, said Jennifer College an expert in oil and gas affairs. Turkey and Azerbaijan signed contracts to transport gas to turkey and via turkey towards Europe which jacks up the importance of Iraq gas and helps to start off establishing oil and gas transportation pipelines from Iraq to Turkey and via Turkey towards Europe, the expert added.
Iraq Kurdistan region has 45 billion cubic meters of gas reserves, sources in KRG confirm. Dana Gas and Al Hilal Oil, Emirati companies invest in Kurdistan gas sector. The two companies’ sources say they spent 900 million dollars as investments and produce nowadays 300000 cubic meters of gas used mainly to supply Kurdistan power plants in Irbil, Suleimaniyah and Duhok with their needs.

source: Al Sumaria

[alan131210]

KIRKUK is highlighted in red within Kurdistan borders .




Source http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanlı_İmparatorluğu

[Guti]

Supas Alan!

how can I show pictures from my computer here without using image shack? Is that possible?

[alan131210]

Supas Alan!

how can I show pictures from my computer here without using image shack? Is that possible?

you have to copy the image url and put it in the img command above .

[alan131210]

[alan131210]

full link: http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/kurdista ... n_1896.jpg
the map of Ottman empire showing Kurdistan on the map..

[alan131210]

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[Azamat]

The Treaty of Sevres included the megalomaniac territorial satisfaction of an ultra-nationalist organization(ARF), whose county's borders were drawn by a Christian supremacist and idiot(Woodrow Wilson). Even IF, against our will, a Greater Armenia were to be established, we Kurds have the duty of at least making sure our border reaches lake Van and that the Armenians keep their filthy hands off our beloved Dersîm. Armenians irredentists are a bunch of frustrated, supremacist megalomaniacs, and must be withheld from assuming dominant positions under any circumstances. Any fool can see that their map is not based on the borders of the Armenian homeland but those of their former tyrannical empires. Apart from appropriating Kurdish land, they also claim Laz and Georgian land(Javakh & Batumi). That is the main reason why I keep proposing a Kurdish-Georgian alliance.

[Kurdistano]

thats a pan armenian map. and this map was the reason why at the end they failed to create a bigger armenia because even after a genocide the armenians were still chauvinistic enough to claim kurdish, georgian, laz, pontic greek and azeri land as armenian.

if we look at this european drawn map of armenian population 1896, the claims of armenian nationalist sound like a bad joke.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... p_1896.jpg

inside the borders of recennt state of Turkey. only. three parts of northern Wan and parts of Kayseri,Adana were hardly in armenian majority. The rest under 50-40%

And this here was the presented map as armenian homelands in world war 1.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Minor.png

And they still wonder why the Kurds in Dersim from one moment to other broke up their help for armenians and fought against them. By all respect to the innocent armenians who died in the genocide but i am sick of this "innocent armenian and the bad kurds" game. I dont try to protect the ottoman empire it is clear that they were not better as any other empire of its time and to non Muslim groups even worse. The Kurds were save from ottoman suppressing simply cause they were largely muslim and known and feared nomadic warriors.

[jjmuneer]

@ alan & jjmuneer - You don't understand. An independent Kurdistan will NEED a link to the sea, and DESPERATELY at that, is it bound to survive. Or do you not find the idea of Kurdistan surviving with 5 hostile countries landlocking us unrealistic? The prospect of being forced into reliance on our enemy's mercy I find terrifying, not to mention a great impairment of our patriotism. Actually it's already happening in the KRG, with Turkish influence being channeled through countless layers, which range from economy, media, military, etc.

Apart from the lack of a coast, the map posted in the OP is territorially speaking most unsatisfying, and there is not a single valid reason a Kurd can have to support that scrawny map. It doesn't even cover all parts of Dersim, which is personally insulting.

I have a specific question for jjmuneer: Would you be willing to let Wan expire if it were to come down to a conflict between us and the Armenians?

Hell no, Kak azamat you know I sympathize to a extent with Armenians, but at the end of the day I'm a nationalist. I will personally fight, book me a tick to south Kurdistan and fight, with Peshmerga or PKK, makes no difference. Death doesn't frighten me when millions of Kurdish children and women have already died, including my family members.
I understand that we will be land locked, yes we do have historical claim to black sea, through ancient tribes such as Alans, but in terms of importation we can just do it through air. Or just connect with Med sea, through Maras etc. The thing is once we secure eastern Kurdistan, I don't see what Iran could possible do to us, they are technoligcally backwards, if it was total war they'd fall apart within an instant. That comes to the point we could connect to Persian gulf, historical claims there aswell. Obviously I'm speaking hypothetically.

You are right Kak Azamat in terms Armenia and Armenians being very militaristic, but at the same time I don't want a newly formed Kurdistan having a extra enemy against it. Kurds and Kurdistan we generally have a much more valid claim over the lands we claim, through history, language, culture and genetics even.

[jjmuneer]

thats a pan armenian map. and this map was the reason why at the end they failed to create a bigger armenia because even after a genocide the armenians were still chauvinistic enough to claim kurdish, georgian, laz, pontic greek and azeri land as armenian.

if we look at this european drawn map of armenian population 1896, the claims of armenian nationalist sound like a bad joke.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... p_1896.jpg

inside the borders of recennt state of Turkey. only. three parts of northern Wan and parts of Kayseri,Adana were hardly in armenian majority. The rest under 50-40%

And this here was the presented map as armenian homelands in world war 1.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Minor.png

And they still wonder why the Kurds in Dersim from one moment to other broke up their help for armenians and fought against them. By all respect to the innocent armenians who died in the genocide but i am sick of this "innocent armenian and the bad kurds" game. I dont try to protect the ottoman empire it is clear that they were not better as any other empire of its time and to non Muslim groups even worse. The Kurds were save from ottoman suppressing simply cause they were largely muslim and known and feared nomadic warriors.

On top of that, behind our backs they decide to call us filfthy muslim Kurds. Wheres the so called friendship?
Politcally a National Socialist state is the best option for Kurdistan, and I'm not talking about Nazism of Germany in the 1930s, but a Socialist economic system with a nationalist ideal, Of course democratically. Thats just my opinion, and I agree with Kak Azamat capitalists and capitalism is a un-fair system which is dictated by the rich.

[alan131210]

this is what a turk quoted on political forum , i need answeres

Antep, Hatay, Maras, for instance, have nothing to do with Kurdishness, nor they are majority.
http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-ea ... ost4763480

[KurdishSoccer92]

this is what a turk quoted on political forum , i need answeres

Antep, Hatay, Maras, for instance, have nothing to do with Kurdishness, nor they are majority.
http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-ea ... ost4763480

yes its true today .. antep are half turkish half kurdish .. maras 35%kurdish ...hatay MAYBE 20 % (and see : "Xetay (bi tirkî: Hatay) yek ji navçe û parêzgehên Tirkiyê ye. Li herêma Deryaya Navîn de ye. Navenda parêzgehê Antakya (Xetay) e. Sê ji qezayên parêzgehê dikevin hundirê sinorên Bakurê Kurdistanê: Dortyol,İskenderun, Erzîn û Xase.- dortyol,iskendurun,erzin and xase are kurdish") but NOW why ? because these cits are @border of kurdistan and turkey ..so lot of kurds are asimilated and lot of kurds are now in western turkey and lot of turks are now in these area ..but if kurdistan is free then also with these citys ,dont worry because these citys was kurdish and wil be again kurdish

[Kurdistano]

this is what a turk quoted on political forum , i need answeres

Antep, Hatay, Maras, for instance, have nothing to do with Kurdishness, nor they are majority.
http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-ea ... ost4763480

well i dont see the problem. it is true that not all of hatay and maras are kurdish but we also didnt include all right. look at hatay only the northern part which is largely populated by kurds and east maras are included. Antep is at least 50% kurdish.