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PostAuthor: Johny Bravo » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:48 pm


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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Johny Bravo » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:02 pm

Emanoel Kurdistani, what do you think about the etymology of "moon" "ay" in turkish.

Can it comes from Middle Persian âyîshm, what is in todays zazaki ashmî?

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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:08 pm

Johny Bravo wrote:Emanoel Kurdistani, what do you think about the etymology of "moon" "ay" in turkish.

Can it comes from Middle Persian âyîshm, what is in todays zazaki ashmî?


Great Infos bro. Nisanyan is the ever cool! 8)
Well I'm not sure abt "ay" being derived from "ayishm". The way to figuring out if a Turkish words is borrowing or not is to compare it with Mongolian, and in the lower parts with Kyrgyz, Kazakh languages. The influence of Persian, Sogdian, Khotanese and Skythian is lesser in them. (Mongolian has a thick Sanskrit and some how Sogdian-via Uygur influence though). So do u know what is "moon" in Mongolian or Kyrgyz and Kazakh?
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Barış » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:00 pm

In Mongolian Moon=Sar
In Kyrgyz Moon=Ai
In Kazakh Moon= Ai
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: partizani » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:28 pm

persian words in turkish turkish words in arabian arbian words in persian....

thats normal turks don't live in an island which middle of pasicif

for example
serbian language

Serbian words and same pronounce and meaning on Turkish language
Because Turks have ruled 500 years serbia. maybe %5 rate of turkish words in serbian language,still


alva -some kind of Turkish delights (halva) TR
kafana- some kind of bars,caffe (kafa)TR
belaj- bad luck, evil (bela)TR
gajtan- wire (gaytan)TR
dućan- some kind of shop, market shop (dukan)TR
đuvegija- boy for marriage (guvey)TR
dušman- enemy (dusman)TR
ćevap- one kind of meat speciality (cevap)
čaj- tea (cay)
jok- no (yok)
jatagan- some kind of weapon (yatagan)
kalabaluk- crowd, mob, heap (kalabalik)
konak- some kind of hotel, room for sleep (konak)
komšija- neighbour (komsi)
kurtalisati- save, free oneself (kurtulus)
melem- some kind of nature pills (menem)
pendžer- window (pencere)
sokak- street (sokak)
jastuk- pillow (yastik)
papuče- slipper (papuch)
rakija- one kind of alcohol drink (raki)
avlija- courtyard (avliya)
burek- some kind of food (borek)
badava- gratis, free (bedava)
gurabije- some kind of cakes (gurabiye)
šećer- sugar (seker)
čaršav- linen, bed-sheets (carsaf)
zejtin- oil for cooking (zeytin)
kapija- fence enclosure (kapi)
bostan- watermelon (bostan)
džem- jam (recel)
peškir- towel (peshkir)
ćilim- carpet (kilim)
čorba- soup (corba)
sarma- one kind of food (sarma)


and more...
http://kusadasifans.com/forums/Turkish- ... t4398.html


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KALE MEGDAN Square
KALE MEYDAN (turkish) means ''Castle square'' (an ottoman castle)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalemegdan

and TASMAJDAN
TAS MEYDAN (turkish) stone square ( on right down of the map)

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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:57 am

Interesting Partizani. In case of loan-words you’re right. Every language has its own borrowings from the other ones in several degrees. Indeed like any other things and matters in this universe the case of borrowing words possesses two general situations: normal and abnormal. In Kurdish there are words such as “xaní”, “xanú”, “xiník”, “hoz”, “ajiní” in meaning of “house” which all are pure Indo-European words but most Kurds use the Arabic word “mal” for “house”. So it’s normal due to all historical and religous and geopolitical reasons. But if we could never find any pure Kurdish word for “house” but only Arabic “mal” so it would not be normal any more! The situation get worse if there were many of such examples that the original-pure words are disappeared and just the loans remain (so you may ask if any original-pure word ever existed or not!!?). Turkish has such situation. Turk Dil Kurumu after up 60 years of governmental-scholar research sugessted “acún” as the “Turkish!!” counterpart of Arabic “dunya” and Kurdish “cíhan”. But now we know that their sugessted “Turkish!” “acún” is exactly a Sogdian loan! How do you can explain-call normal that there is not any original Turkish words for such meanings “civilization” (~uygarlik > an invented word derived from Uygur!!), “city” (~şehir/kent > Persian and Sogdian loans), “village” (~koy > Persian loan), “to drink” (íşmek > from Persian “aşam-), “God” (Tanri > exactly the name of Mongolian God of Sky “Tengerí”, “tengerí” in Mongolian means “sky”, to refer “God” as “Tengerí” or “Tanri” is just same as Romans would call total meaning of God as “Mithra”!), “prophet”, “angel”, “woman”, “sister/brother” (both are called “kardaş”!! Just distinguishing via saying “kiz kardaş”, “oĝlan kardaş/er kardaş”!), “religion”, etc. Even some numerals originally are Chinese and Iranian borrowings (e.g. “beş” < Iranian “pençe-“)! You know such “poverty” just allows me to say Turkish is the Purest Language ever!
Also your list on Tukish ?! loans in Serbian is very interesting. You know why? Becuz this list just shows that how much Turkish is bombarded with Persian and Arabic borrowings that even the most of Turkish loans in other languages are exactly Persian and Arabic loans via Turkish!
In a brief look I could find 17 Arabic, Persian and Kurdish loans out of total 34! Here you are:

alva -some kind of Turkish delights (halva) TR < from Arabic “7elwa”
kafana- some kind of bars,caffe (kafa)TR < from Persian “keffé”
belaj- bad luck, evil (bela)TR < Arabic “bela”
gajtan- wire (gaytan)TR
dućan- some kind of shop, market shop (dukan)TR < Arabic “dukkan”
đuvegija- boy for marriage (guvey)TR
dušman- enemy (dusman)TR < Persian “doşmen”
ćevap- one kind of meat speciality (cevap) < Arabic “cewab”
čaj- tea (cay) < Northern Chinese “çay”
jok- no (yok)
jatagan- some kind of weapon (yatagan)
kalabaluk- crowd, mob, heap (kalabalik) (exactly from Mongolian “qerexbalix”)
konak- some kind of hotel, room for sleep (konak)
komšija- neighbour (komsi)
kurtalisati- save, free oneself (kurtulus) < Old Iranian "kerite-"
melem- some kind of nature pills (menem) < Kurdish “melhem” < Arabic “merhem”
pendžer- window (pencere) < Persian “penceré”
sokak- street (sokak) < Arabic “sewq”
jastuk- pillow (yastik)
papuče- slipper (papuch) < Persian “pa-púş”
rakija- one kind of alcohol drink (raki)
avlija- courtyard (avliya)
burek- some kind of food (borek)
badava- gratis, free (bedava) < Kurdish “bé-“ (without) + Arabic “de’wa” (struggle)
gurabije- some kind of cakes (gurabiye) < Arabic “ĝurabíyye”
šećer- sugar (seker) < Iranian “şeker”
čaršav- linen, bed-sheets (carsaf) < Kurdish “çarşew”
zejtin- oil for cooking (zeytin) < Arabic “zeytún”
kapija- fence enclosure (kapi)
bostan- watermelon (bostan) < Persian “bostan”
peškir- towel (peshkir)
ćilim- carpet (kilim)
čorba- soup (corba)
sarma- one kind of food (sarma)
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:09 am

Barış wrote:In Mongolian Moon=Sar
In Kyrgyz Moon=Ai
In Kazakh Moon= Ai


Thanx for your help Barış.

Well now I think you may be right Johny: "ay" is possibly a loan. As far as I know Mongolian "s/z" is equal to Turkic "y-" : Turkic "yurek" ~ "Mongolian "zire/sire*", Turkic "yil" ~ Mongolian "sil/zil". I'm not really sure but we must expect Turkic "yar" for "moon" rather than "ay". I'm not certain though maybe the Mongolian "sar" is a loan!
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: partizani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:53 am

Now a total of %14 of Turkish words are of foreign originImage
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:33 am

partizani wrote:Now a total of %14 of Turkish words are of foreign originhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/TurkishVocabulary.png


Your "Gray-Worm" ~ "Boz-Kurt" (doesnt mean "kurt" both "wolf" and "worm" in Turkish?! :lol: ) had displayed the above picture long time before you. But they just disappeared becuz they couldn't stay with the fact that Turkish language is just got bombarded with Iranian and Arabic words.

Ok let's suppose not %14 but only %1.4 or even just %0.14 of Turkish words are loans. So would you please tell me what are the PURE - ORIGINAL Turkish words for these: "civilization", "count"/"number" ( say-mak < Middle Iranian "say-"/"sag-"), "woman" (kadin/xatun-hatun < Sogdian "xwaten"), "window" (pencere < Persian "pencere"), "world" (dunya < Arabic "dunya", cihan < Kurdish "cihan", acun < Sogdian "acun"), "evidence" (evrak < Arabic "ewraq"/"wereq" < Middl Iranian "werg", belge < Kurdish "belge"), "city" (shehir < Persian "shehr", kent < Sogdian "kente"), "God" (tanri < Mongolian "tengeri" ~ "sky blue"/"name of the Sky God").

Just saying that your super-human linguists in Turk Dil Kurumu after up 60 years still could not find original Turkish couterparts for the above significant words which are vital for every language. I hope you would find them out and show the lazy Turk Dil Kurumu linguists that in these 60 years of shcolar research and work they were just wasting "Boz-Kurt" nation's silver money and golden time! :lol:
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: partizani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:17 pm

Bozkurt was symbol of the Gokturk khanate 1500 years ago which first Turkic tribe known to use the name "Turk" as a political name
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The Turkish Language Association (Türk Dil Kurumu ) is the official regulatory body of the Turkish language, founded on July 12, 1932 and headquartered in Ankara, Turkey. The association acts as the official authority on the language (without any enforcement power), contributes to linguistic research on Turkish and other Turkic languages, and is charged with publishing the official dictionary of the language.

Turkish a living language , like other important languages.
Don't forget Turkey was an empire . We have lived a lot of poeples together in the ottoman empire.
There are some persian arabian greek or armenian words in Turkish , that s normal.
There is not any %100 unmixed ,absolute language in the world.

Turk Dil Kurumu is so important and succesfuly foundation
Turk dil kurumu also supports other Turkic Countries,too
Firstly Azerbaijan changed russian-cril alfebet and started to use turkish-latin alfabet by the Turk dil kurumu's support, after Turmenistan and Uzbekistan.
Now Kazakistan wants to change russian-crill alfabet and Turk Dil Kurumu supports them ,too.

Foreign origin words were %40 in first years of the Repuclic but now %14 .Turkificated going succesfuly.

They are so importand things.

do you have kurd dil kurumu ??? :D
firstly you need a common kurdish language maybe later...
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:28 pm

partizani wrote:Bozkurt was symbol of the Gokturk khanate 1500 years ago which first Turkic tribe known to use the name "Turk" as a political name

Anyway, how do you know it’s not originally “Gray-Worm”?! Deosnt it mean both “Gray-Worm” and “Gray-Wolf”, “Boz-Kurt”?! :o

Indeed Turkish is a living language which cannot go on its life without Iranian, Arabic and Chinese loan-words! Turkish language is just an ill under Arabo-Iranian medical care! If you dont agree, so tell me what’s the Turkish couterparts for these words: “civilization”, “city”, “village”, “to drink”, “woman”, “to count”, “God”, “window”, “sea-port/”port”.

You dont forget that Iran was an empire, as well as Median empire (ancient Kurdish), Islamic empires of Arabs etc . Iranians (Persians, Kurds, Mazandaranis, etc.) have stayed with several people too, but the original words for “city”, “village”, “to drink”, “woman”, “to count” or “God” never got disappeared!!

Infact there is not any %100 unmixed language in the world as it’s a fact that there is not any language which the original words for “God”, “to drink”, “to count”, “city” or “village” entirely got disappeared, except Turkish!

Turk Dil Kurumu is an important found and is supposed to be succesful, but it is not. For honest I should say that their failure (for example purifying Turkish language by replacing Arabic “evrak” with Kurdish “belge”!!) is due to the essential poverty of Turkish langauge (if you dont agree, so you can show us the asked words in the above!)

Turk dil kurumu also supports other Turkic Countries,too < Poor them! They just need someone to help themselves out of these 76 year old heat! :lol:

Somehow I see it, Good. Maybe Turk Dil Kurumu could face a better situation in other Turkic languages, since the essential poverty of Turkish just made them failing! :lol:

As I previousely said, just suppose that the degree of foreign words in Turkish is lesser than %0.14. Just tell me what’s the original Turkish words for “civilization”, “to drink”, “God”, “village”, “city”, “port”, “world”, “prophet”, “angel”, “window”?!! Turk Dil Kurmu could not find the original Turkish words after up 75 years of govermental-supported work! No man! Turkification has been unsuccesful. :D

do you have kurd dil kurumu ??? :D < Such question just shows your low degree of understanding, are “dil” and “kurum” Kurdish words so you refer them to Kurdish language as Kurd Dil Kurumu?!! There is “Kurdish Academy of Language” and “Farhangestane Zabanhaye Irani” ~ “Academy of Iranian Language”, any many other founds in diaspora or in Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish Kurdistan working on Kurdish languages. Also Turks need such founds more than Kurds and any other nations. Since without any Institute and Academy of Language, we know what are the original Kurdish words for “civilization” ~”şaristanítí”; “God”~”Xwedé”, “Xwa”, “Yezed”, “Yezidan”; “city” ~ “şar”, “bajar”; “port” ~ “pasar”; “world” ~ “cíhan”, “gíhan”; “prophet” ~ “peyamber”; “angel” ~ “firíşte”, “firíştig”. :)

You see, our main problem is the planty of original Kurdish words as we dont know which to choose, though the main problem of Turkish is loss or lack of the original Turkish words!! :lol: 8)
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: partizani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:04 pm

belge is in turkish
http://tdkterim.gov.tr/seslisozluk/?kel ... li&ayn=bas


it s realy funny
a kurds talk about Turkish language :lol:

you have a language ? of course NO ; mixed arabic-persian and some mountain materials. this is kurdish

you have litarature ? NO
you have common history? NO
you have kurmanchi , sorani, gorani... %40 arabic %40 persian
thats all , ther is not a kurdish ''language!!

But ,we have language
we have litarature
we have common history
we changed our alfabet in 1928 and our litarature has been more developted
we are not living under mullah control , our state is secular and free.



Azerbaijan has lived 70 years under communist rule but they still speak in turkish , and they are muslim !
We have common TV channels , we watch our TV channels , we listen turkish music in turkey and azerbijan. we speak in the same language. we have great authors great singer and artists.

''foreign words in turkish '' thats normal
thousands french words in english language.

arabic word in turkish , yes this is normal because we are mulsim since 751 Talas War and Quran is in arabic !
persian words in turkish , yes this is normal ,too. Because we conquested iran in 900's and millions Turks moved from Turkistan to iran later we conquested Anatolia ... Turks have ruled 1000 years iran . how they couldn't use persian words ???

Turkey always an independence state . but you kurds still live under other powers control.
you have not independence litarature and art. only some mountain songs ..thats all.

and you say me now ''turkish bla bla bla'' :) thats realy funy

I wanna ask you that WHO ARE YOU ???
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:26 pm

quote="partizani">> it s realy funny
a kurds talk about Turkish language :lol: < Turkish Logic :shock: :lol:

you have a language ? of course NO ; mixed arabic-persian and some mountain materials. this is kurdish < What's is your proof? Can u speak Kurdish? Do you anything about linguistics? You dont have any proof, nor you can speak Kurdish or knowing a bit of linguistics, so whta you said is bullshit. 8)

you have litarature ? NO < What's your proof? Are you a guy who oftem composes poems in Kurdish and other Iranian languages and indeed has a wide knowladge over Kurdish language and Iranian literature? No you are not nor you have any proof. So it's another bullshit. Your proof and logic is just as silly as when you say Molana Jalaladin Rumi (Great Iranian Poet) is Turkish! :lol:

you have common history? NO Uygurs are lived with Khotanese, Scythians and Sogdian Iranians and now are under Chinese rule, Oquz Turks invaded Azerbaijan and changed the local language so were under Iranian rule until Russia ate half of Azerbaijan and now Iranian Azerbaijan under Tehran rule and Northern Azerbaijan under Kingdom of Aliyev Dynasty (they say it's republic but after 17 years the son and father have been the only rulers ever! < Turkish kind of Republic! :shock: :lol: ) and Ottoman Turks passed along way from Central Asian deserts to the beautiful shores of Eastern Greek (today Western Turkey) and ruled there, converted historical churches into mosques, made Christians to convert to islam, exiled local people, assimilated them, and up to the present time ignoring native people of Anatolia and Asia Minor (Kurds, Armenian, Greeks, etc.). So you think Oquzes, Ottomans, and Uygurs have common history?!! Your are very Turk! :lol:

you have kurmanchi , sorani, gorani... %40 arabic %40 persian < what's your proof? Are you an expert of linguistics who's fluent in all Kurdish dialects, Arabic and Persian? No you are not, so it's your other bullshit.

thats all , ther is not a kurdish ''language!! < What's your proof? Do you speak Kurdish? Do you reject the current linguistic facts? Yes? Good, so what are your scientific reason?!! Ok Turkish guy go illustrate the linguists and tell them "I am a Turkish guy who doesnt know a bit of Kurdish nor Persian nor Arabic as well as nothing of Linguistics" Then ask them to remove Kurdish Language from Northwestern branch of Iranian languages, Indo-Iranian, Indo-European Family of Languages! I'm not kidding, just try your chance! :D :lol: :lol:

But ,we have language < Any one said you dont have language?!! :shock: , any doubt?! why you dont trust your self?! :lol:

we have litarature < Who rejected it?!

we have common history < common history of Yakut Turks of Siberia and Ottoman Turks of Anatolia along with Oquzes of Iran and Chinese Uygurs! :lol:

we changed our alfabet in 1928 and our litarature has been more developted < Good step for you if you did not lie :D

we are not living under mullah control , our state is secular and free. < Your are living under "Gray-Worms" rule :lol:


Azerbaijan has lived 70 years under communist rule but they still speak in turkish , and they are muslim ! < Being under Communist rule has nothing to do with language! In the other hand the communist government just improved local languages-including Azerbaijani, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen; in case literature, publications, educational situation. You just talk about the things you dont know enough of them! :D

We have common TV channels , we watch our TV channels , we listen turkish music in turkey and azerbijan. we speak in the same language. we have great authors great singer and artists. < did I banned you of watching your TV Channels?!! :lol: , Good at you! Enjoy TV channels! :D Also I think you forgot to mention movies! Huh? Some movies produced in Turkey are great. Well in Iran people know Turkish Music with the idol "Ibrahim Tatlises" and Turkish Cinema with "Yilmaz Gunesh". So are not they both Kurdish?! :D

''foreign words in turkish '' thats normal < Yes no to have original words for "civilization", "to count", "city", "village", "window", "evidence" is normal for Turks and they use Persian, Kurdish or invented words instead of them. Because Ottoman Turks before invading Anatolia did not know what's "civilization" and ofcourse their cousines of Huns are symbols of "Destroyers of Civilization" in the history! They did not know "mathmatic" /"number", so persians thought them > say- > say-mak, say-gin, sayi-, even "bilig-sayar"! :lol: . The nomad people of Central Asian deserts never got the chance to creat their own cities! For first time they just settled-after invasion on Sogdian and Persian cities and villages: Persian "shehr" > Turkish "shehir"; Sogdian "kente-" > Turkish "kent" (Turk Dil Kurumu after 76 years just could replace Persian "shehir" with Sogdian "kent"! It is the Turkish success :lol: ). Ottomans had no idea of illustration in the living place so they learned it from Iranians "pencere" ~ "window". And the most obvious sign of a "Boz-Kurt" is "Being Unlogical", "Runing Away from Answering to Simple Questions", "Talking without any Proofs and Evidences", and all because they did not know what is "evidence"! Just picking up Arabic "ewraq" as "evrak" so after 76 years of governmental research replaced it with Kurdish "belge"! :lol: :lol:

thousands french words in english language. < French, English, Latin, German, etc. are Indo-European langauges and fairly close to each other. If Arabic, Persian, Sogdian, Parthian, Greek and Kurdish were Altaic languages-same as Turkish, so we could somehow accept such wide and unsual extent of influence on Turkish. So, are Arabic, Sogdian, Persian, Parthian, Greek, Kurdish or Armenian, Altaic languages?!! :o

arabic word in turkish , yes this is normal because we are mulsim since 751 Talas War and Quran is in arabic ! Only Turks are muslim?! Why didnt original Kurdish, Persian, Pashtu, Bosnian, Albanian, Urdu, Bengali, etc. words did not entirely disappeared from the repectivbe languages?! These people are muslims too, but only it's Turkish in which you cannot find the original word for "evidence" but only Arabic "ewraq" and Kurdish "belge" :lol:

persian words in turkish , yes this is normal ,too. Because we conquested iran in 900's and millions Turks moved from Turkistan to iran later we conquested Anatolia ... Turks have ruled 1000 years iran . how they couldn't use persian words ??? < hehe, usually the language of Rulers leaves its influence on the lowers. Like in Philipines (influence of Spanish and English), India (influence of English), Iranian lnaguages (influence of Arabic), etc. The only exception is when the Rulers-Invadors being scientifically poor people. So the lower would influence on their retart rulers :lol: . Since this fact, all Turkish and Mongoloid dynasties in Iran just got Iranificated after 3 generations, for example Khwarazmshahian Dyansti were originally Turkish but Iranificated soonly and choosed the Pure Iranian Title "Khwarazm-Shah" for themselves. The Mongol-Turkish confederation of tribes cruely attacked on Iran during Khwarazm-Shahian dyanasty. The last prince of KhwarazShah was Sultan Jalaladdin who fought with Turks till the last drop of his blood in the name of Iran. (You can check it out in the Iranian literature, somany peoms about his brave. Oh God I'm talking to whom? This guy know nothing of Iranian history nor languages, forget it! :D )

Turkey always an independence state . but you kurds still live under other powers control. < Turkish people are firm Muslims, but the Turkish government has banned Islamic norms such as hijab just becuz of being along with western powers who allowed Mustafa Kemal to rule on Turkey. Turkey is the only Muslim country in which Hijab was banned in the official places. Such independent state! :lol:

you have not independence litarature and art. only some mountain songs ..thats all. < What's your proof? Only this for you that the only well-known international directors and movie-makers of Turkey and Iran are Kurdish movie-makers: Y. Gunesh and Bahman Qobadi. :D

and you say me now ''turkish bla bla bla'' :) thats realy funy < I understand you :)

I wanna ask you that WHO ARE YOU ??? < I'm WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL TURKISH WORDS FOR "WORLD", "WOMAN", "GOD", "TO COUNT", "EVIDENCE".... :lol:
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: partizani » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:41 pm

everytime there was an independence turkish state in the world since Huns
That is so important for to develop an independence language and culture.

for to say that we have a language and litarature you have to be independence long time
Because a langueage ,culture and litarature can develop in independence place only.

kurds have been lived under persian ,arabian and turkish control everytime. and still live
haa you kurds talk about sometimes that uncorroborated medes legent :lol: 3000 year ago...
because you need legents...

if you chek the internet you will see that a a poor ''litarature'' few kurdish authors and their 3-4 books , it s not enough.

you tell only bla bla bla...
I present a lots of materials , but you can't because you have not language and litareture actually kurds have not a common independence history .

Turks have an independence litarature since before islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_literature

today there are thousands turkish aouthors and their boooks published in hunderts language
http://www.turkishauthors.com/

Turkish film industry in top 10 in the world.

There are 500 international turkish schoolls in the world. out of Turkey...... from Brasil to China. These schools' languages Turkish and english ... and this schools 's students %90 non-turk local people
http://www.turkokullari.net/index.php?o ... 29&catid=1

for example Romania -Turkish college
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Endonasia Turkish school
Turkish national anthem ceremoy everymorning
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South Africa
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ukraina
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Turkish college in London opening ceremoy
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a student of this schoolls he speak in turkish
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also do you know TURKISH LANGUAGE OLIMPIATS ????
Who speak best turkish ???? from 80 countries.....


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_literature">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_literature

today there are thousands turkish aouthors and their boooks published in hunderts language
http://www.turkishauthors.com/

Turkish film industry in top 10 in the world.

There are 500 international turkish schoolls in the world. out of Turkey...... from Brasil to China. These schools' languages Turkish and english ... and this schools 's students %90 non-turk local people
http://www.turkokullari.net/index.php?o ... 29&catid=1

for example Romania -Turkish college
Image

Endonasia Turkish school
Turkish national anthem ceremoy everymorning
Image

South Africa
Image

ukraina
Image

Turkish college in London opening ceremoy
Image

a student of this schoolls he speak in turkish
Image


also do you know TURKISH LANGUAGE OLIMPIATS ????
Who speak best turkish ???? from 80 countries.....


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You see....

I don't say bla bla bla... we work ,you speak only...

We have an independence culture,developed litarature and language... you have not ! thats all...

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Re: Loanwords in Turkish - New Infos

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:40 am

partizani wrote:everytime there was an independence turkish state in the world since Huns
That is so important for to develop an independence language and culture.


Yes to have an independent territory can really help to improve the langauge. But I wonder why Turks could not gain this goal! Kurds, Persians, Armenians,Greeks, Gilakis, Mazandaranis, etc. have been ruled lesser than invador-barbarian Turks of Central Asia, but their languages is just fairly developed and unfortunately it’s Turkish which is went under question mark “if Turkish is the poorest languages through world”! :) 8)

World : current "dunya" of Arabic origin, "cihan" of Kurdish (Iranian) origin, "acun" of Sogdian (Iranian) origin

Woman : current "kadin" of Sogdian (Iranian) origin.

To bring : current "apar-mak" of Iranian origini (a-bhar-)

Nation : current "ulus" of Mongolian origin (< originally borrowed of Old Turkic "ulesh" but in meaning of "tent" :lol: )

National : current "ulusal" (ulus+al) is a Frencho-Mongolian invention fabricated in the Language Factory of Turk Dil Kurmu! :lol: :lol:

Paradise/Heaven : current "cennet" of Arabic origin.

Hell : current "cehenem" of Arabic origin, also TDK also sugessted "tum" which is originally a Sogdian (Iranian) borrowing! :lol: < I just wonder if the guys working in TDK are really Turkish or descendents of Old Sogdians?! :shock: :lol: Also maybe they are Iranian spies that always replace foreign loan-words with Iranian loan-words :lol: :lol:

Gift : current "hedye" of Arabic origin. TDK suggested "armaghan" which is a Persian loan-words (originally has another meaning and is borrowed from a Turkic speech in Persian "yermeqan")

Goal/Target : current "hedef" is Arabic and "amac" is Persian (originally borrowed from Kurdish "armanc" in the same meaning)

Sky/Blue : for these both there is only "gok"! (current "mavi"~"blue" is Arabic loan), suppose if a Turk ever wanted to say "sky is blue" ~ "gok goktur" ~ "blue is blue" :lol: :lol:


[quote="partizani"]for to say that we have a language and litarature you have to be independence long time[/qoute] < Dont care he is Turkish.
[quote="partizani"]Because a langueage ,culture and litarature can develop in independence place only.[/qoute] < Ok, go tell to linguists that they have to remove Assyrian, Bask, Kurdish Hebrew, Gilaki, Mazandarani, Abkhaz, Basque, Kurdish, Semnani, Baluchi, Sangsari, Uygur Turkish (arenot they under Chinese rule?), Amerindian Languages... because they dont have an independent country to develop a language!!! :shock: :lol: Dont forget before talking to them seriously, first introduce yourself “I’am a Turkish and I want you to remove...” :lol:

[quote="partizani"]kurds have been lived under persian ,arabian and turkish control everytime. and still live
haa you kurds talk about sometimes that uncorroborated medes legent :lol: 3000 year ago...
because you need legents...[/qoute] < Kurds always have lived in their own territory under local autonomous dynasties. Those dynasties always choosed one of the surrounding countries to be allied with. For example Botan, Amed, Baban, etc. dynasties choosed to be in alliance with Ottomans but Erdellani, Urmya, Kelhur (Kirmanshah) dynasties were in alliance with Iran. It’s just your lack of knowledge about history.
Medes are legends?!! According to the linguistic facts, Kurds are descendents of Ancient Medes. For your knowlesge Mr. Ignorant I must say Medes never ever called themselves “Mede”. It was a Greek term which the other nations such as Armenians adopted it. Greek historians recorded the term “Arya” ~ “Noble” which Medes refer themselves so. A christian Kurdish text found in Armenia is refered the Kurdish language as “Maday” (Armenian “Mede”). No doubt that Kurds and central residents of Iran are obvious descendents of Ancient Mede. Also Kurdish calendar show around 2707 years. All know that first Mede king “Diyaoko” found Median empire around 2700 years ago (Cyrus the Great became king in ~2550 years ago, so the Persian calendar tells the year 2550). Around 2707 years ago Turks were attacking on Sogdian villages and cities and just learned that the place they attack on is call “kent”, the “female human” must be called “xwaten” > “xatun”/”kadin”/”qadin”, when you bring something you must say “abar-“ ~ “aparmak”, n the next world the is both “behesht” ~ “paradise” and “tum” ~ “hell”....! :lol:
No Turkish man, we dont need “legent”s. It’s you who need “legend”s! In Iran people make fun of stupid “Gray-Worm” Turks who say Medes were Turkish, Avesta doesnot exist, Turks were Sumerian, Amerindians are Turkish, Basque is Hungarian and Hungarian is Turkish, Ilamits also were Turkish, even God is Turkish.... :lol: You need legends! 8)

[quote="partizani"] if you chek the internet you will see that a a poor ''litarature'' few kurdish authors and their 3-4 books , it s not enough.[/qoute] <We just have up 200 books in Kurdish (mainly poems) in our private library. What you said is less than bullshit. :shock:

[quote="partizani"] you tell only bla bla bla...[/qoute] < Exactly you tell so. (if not, so tell me what is original Turkish words for “world”, “hell”, “civilization”, “sky or blue”, “national”... :lol: :lol: )
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