zportoshki wrote:Johny Bravo wrote:@zportoshki
medes were not persians! medes were like kurds northwest-aryan people, persian are southwest-aryan people.
you say that.
But historcians don't say .
I think kurds need that medes myth
Dear zportoshki for ur information I must say "Medes" were a confedration of Indo-Iranian tribes who migrated to the current regions of Southern Azerbaijan, Iranian Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkish Kurdistan, Anatolia, and Syrian Kurdistan. They gradually mixed up with the FORMER "Indo-European" and other Native people of the Anatolian such as Hittites, Karduks, etc. After all "Diaoko" united Kurdish (Mede) tribes and defeated their old enemy "Assyrians" (whom were living originally in the areas of south of Southern Kurdistan, current Diyala, and Nineva). After that big battle Assyrians mixed up into Kurds and if u see a fair number of Kurds are dark faced its just because of Mesopotamian genetics.
But what are our evidences? How we can surely say "Medes" or before them "Indo-Europeans of Anatolia" are ancestors of Kurdish people? Ok, the answer is in history and linguistic facts:
1: The name "Mede" is a Greek name and "Mede" people never used it to call theirselves. "Mede" means "Middle" and refers to the fact "Mede" people living in the centre of teh Middle East. Greek historians all together say "Mede" people call themselves "Arya" meaning "Noble". "Arya"s or "Medes" used to call the people living along with their lands as "Peresuwe" meaning "along, across" and the people of far lands as "Parthewe" meaning "far, farway". These words today are resectively recorded as "Pars"/"Perse"/"Persian", etc. and "Parth"/"Parthian". Minporsky (a well-known Iranolog) says: indeed these names are found only amoung Kurds: "perasu" ~ "along, near" and "perte" ~ "far". In Persian people say "pehlu" ~ "along, near", pert" ~ "far". Also since the first Iranian (Aryan) dynasty was a Kurdish (Mede) dinasty therefore they became the centre for the Greek nation and "Persians" as "Alongs" and "Parthians" as "Faraways"!
We dont have a fair number of evidences about "Mede" langauges except some 10 words and some linguistic rules: we are sure that in Mede language old Iranian "hu-" changed into "f-". Ok so lets take a brief look into Modern Iranian languages: Old Iranian "hushke-" ~ "dry" > Avestan "ushke-", Old Persian "ushke-", Median "fishke-" > Talyshi "xishk", Persian "xoshk", MAzenderani "xeshk", Gilaki "xushk", Southern Kurdish "wishk". Persian "xonek", Mazn. "xenek", Gil. "xunek", Talyshi "xunek", but Southern Kurdish"fenek". etc. As u see Persian, Mazn, Gil, Talyshi has been developed the same of Old Persian but Kurdish entries are same as the Median ones. Also some of Median words which are recorded by Greek Historians: "sipeke" ~ "dog" also in Modern Kurdish "sipe" but Persian "seg". "Rojiye" ~ "sun" also Kurdish "roj"/"rojyar" but Persian "xorshid", Median "dehuye" ~ "land" also Modern Kurdish "dewal" but Persian "keshver".
Besides these thick linguistc evidences also a religious texts in Armenian is found which belongs to around 500 years ago. Armenians called "Mede" as ""Maday". In this text which is composed in around 5 or 6 langauges, one of the parts is referred to be in "Median Language" or "Maday". But it's very interesting that the text which is named "Maday" is exactly written in Northern Kurdish!
Although Medes had a thick influence of Original Indo-European or other Natives of current Kurdistan but the traces of "Originally Being Pre-Iranian" is found in many features of Kurdish speech forms: All Kurdish speech forms possess the sate of being "ergative" which matches with no one of their Iranian neighbours and belongs to the Pre-Iranian langauges.
Many words of Indo-European language are found in Kurdish which are not of Iranian root: Kurdish "nig" ~ Slavic langauges "noga", niga", neg" ~ "foot", Kurdish "naq" ~ English "neck", Kurdish "laq" ~ English "leg", Kurdish "pising" ~ English "pussy".
These all are fairly enough to say if Medes are sup[posed to have any descendents so they will be "Kurdish people" and it's proved that Kurdish people own Pre-iranian roots and their language Originally is an Indo-Euorpean but Pre-Iranian langauge which is thickly influenced by Iranian langauges such as Mede, Parthian and Pahlavi.
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