Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Serd]

Do you know that language classification and ethnic classification are two different issues? This two do not match in many cases.

Second, Do you know there is no definite border between langues and dialect? Do you know what is a languge and what is a dialect?

Oh really! Well, who does decide the ethnic classification then? And, who does decide what is a languge and what is a dialect? People like you?

Turcophone! It is not about ''who'', the point is here. If not chavunists like your atat**k had already succeded in performing their mongolic ideas on people of Middle east.

The point is what makes a people an ethnic group and what does not.

I see you are getting frustrated. I guess you realized that you cannot convince me with your crab. Now you are attacking me. From a Zaza perspective, I don't really see any difference between a chavunist Turks and people like you. Both of you want to assimilate us; not so hard to see it.

lolz, I am not frsutrated, I'm just mocking you!

Assimilate what? that's very funny and ridiculous! you have nothing for us to be zealous at; you have no population, no land, no history, nothing important; whatever you got is Kurdish. even historically your people were identified as Kurds cuz they had nothing! just let u know, i dont care a s**t about people like you. I never think about unimportant people like you.

But the point you dont get or dont want to get is Kurdishness. Of course I know that you have been under pressure of a bunch of savage mongols (you know them as turks) who for long have had negative propaganda against Kurds. Back to my discussion all the Iranic peoples of Zagros Taurus mountains regardless of their tribal vernaculars have historically been identified as Kurds. you confuse Kurd with Kurmanj (the same as many confuse Iranian with Persian). We have Hewramis in southern Kurdistan speak exactly the same dialect as zazas, but unlike Zazas they consider themselves as 'true Kurds'. IN FACT they do not consider Kurmanjs as true Kurds!!!! Their identity is Kurdish. their vernacular is also respected by other non-Hewrami-speaking Kurds. Indeed under semi-independent Kurdish state of Erdelan it was for centuries Hewrami which was the official and dominant dialect despite of the fact that the Hewramis were and still are a minority!!!

Your other peoblem is that you confuse Kurd with Turk. You have seen a turkish (read mongolian) state and think every other nation is trying to assimilate (lol) you!!! you are escaping from your own ethnic identity!

In one of my posts, I said, "I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap." Now I have the feeling about 100% of what you said is crab.

However, I liked your new story. You are getting more creative. Well, keep on going dude. Roj Bash needs you!

So you are stupidier than to being talked to?!! I got it!

I have told you that you are getting frustrated. You are trying to impose your ideas on me, and I am not buying any of your crab. That's why you are personally attacking me. I understand that because that's exactly how a frustrated chauvinist acts.

[Rizgaraso]

Do you know that language classification and ethnic classification are two different issues? This two do not match in many cases.

Second, Do you know there is no definite border between langues and dialect? Do you know what is a languge and what is a dialect?

Oh really! Well, who does decide the ethnic classification then? And, who does decide what is a languge and what is a dialect? People like you?

Turcophone! It is not about ''who'', the point is here. If not chavunists like your atat**k had already succeded in performing their mongolic ideas on people of Middle east.

The point is what makes a people an ethnic group and what does not.

I see you are getting frustrated. I guess you realized that you cannot convince me with your crab. Now you are attacking me. From a Zaza perspective, I don't really see any difference between a chavunist Turks and people like you. Both of you want to assimilate us; not so hard to see it.

lolz, I am not frsutrated, I'm just mocking you!

Assimilate what? that's very funny and ridiculous! you have nothing for us to be zealous at; you have no population, no land, no history, nothing important; whatever you got is Kurdish. even historically your people were identified as Kurds cuz they had nothing! just let u know, i dont care a s**t about people like you. I never think about unimportant people like you.

But the point you dont get or dont want to get is Kurdishness. Of course I know that you have been under pressure of a bunch of savage mongols (you know them as turks) who for long have had negative propaganda against Kurds. Back to my discussion all the Iranic peoples of Zagros Taurus mountains regardless of their tribal vernaculars have historically been identified as Kurds. you confuse Kurd with Kurmanj (the same as many confuse Iranian with Persian). We have Hewramis in southern Kurdistan speak exactly the same dialect as zazas, but unlike Zazas they consider themselves as 'true Kurds'. IN FACT they do not consider Kurmanjs as true Kurds!!!! Their identity is Kurdish. their vernacular is also respected by other non-Hewrami-speaking Kurds. Indeed under semi-independent Kurdish state of Erdelan it was for centuries Hewrami which was the official and dominant dialect despite of the fact that the Hewramis were and still are a minority!!!

Your other peoblem is that you confuse Kurd with Turk. You have seen a turkish (read mongolian) state and think every other nation is trying to assimilate (lol) you!!! you are escaping from your own ethnic identity!

In one of my posts, I said, "I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap." Now I have the feeling about 100% of what you said is crab.

However, I liked your new story. You are getting more creative. Well, keep on going dude. Roj Bash needs you!

So you are stupidier than to being talked to?!! I got it!

I have told you that you are getting frustrated. You are trying to impose your ideas on me, and I am not buying any of your crab. That's why you are personally attacking me. I understand that because that's how a frustrated chauvinist acts.

I'm not frustrated ata ll. It is you who are attacking me

Actually right now i'm fixing my PC; thoughl I can still use my browser.

You can read about Erdelans here if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan

[Serd]

Do you know that language classification and ethnic classification are two different issues? This two do not match in many cases.

Second, Do you know there is no definite border between langues and dialect? Do you know what is a languge and what is a dialect?

Oh really! Well, who does decide the ethnic classification then? And, who does decide what is a languge and what is a dialect? People like you?

Turcophone! It is not about ''who'', the point is here. If not chavunists like your atat**k had already succeded in performing their mongolic ideas on people of Middle east.

The point is what makes a people an ethnic group and what does not.

I see you are getting frustrated. I guess you realized that you cannot convince me with your crab. Now you are attacking me. From a Zaza perspective, I don't really see any difference between a chavunist Turks and people like you. Both of you want to assimilate us; not so hard to see it.

lolz, I am not frsutrated, I'm just mocking you!

Assimilate what? that's very funny and ridiculous! you have nothing for us to be zealous at; you have no population, no land, no history, nothing important; whatever you got is Kurdish. even historically your people were identified as Kurds cuz they had nothing! just let u know, i dont care a s**t about people like you. I never think about unimportant people like you.

But the point you dont get or dont want to get is Kurdishness. Of course I know that you have been under pressure of a bunch of savage mongols (you know them as turks) who for long have had negative propaganda against Kurds. Back to my discussion all the Iranic peoples of Zagros Taurus mountains regardless of their tribal vernaculars have historically been identified as Kurds. you confuse Kurd with Kurmanj (the same as many confuse Iranian with Persian). We have Hewramis in southern Kurdistan speak exactly the same dialect as zazas, but unlike Zazas they consider themselves as 'true Kurds'. IN FACT they do not consider Kurmanjs as true Kurds!!!! Their identity is Kurdish. their vernacular is also respected by other non-Hewrami-speaking Kurds. Indeed under semi-independent Kurdish state of Erdelan it was for centuries Hewrami which was the official and dominant dialect despite of the fact that the Hewramis were and still are a minority!!!

Your other peoblem is that you confuse Kurd with Turk. You have seen a turkish (read mongolian) state and think every other nation is trying to assimilate (lol) you!!! you are escaping from your own ethnic identity!

In one of my posts, I said, "I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap." Now I have the feeling about 100% of what you said is crab.

However, I liked your new story. You are getting more creative. Well, keep on going dude. Roj Bash needs you!

So you are stupidier than to being talked to?!! I got it!

I have told you that you are getting frustrated. You are trying to impose your ideas on me, and I am not buying any of your crab. That's why you are personally attacking me. I understand that because that's how a frustrated chauvinist acts.

I'm not frustrated ata ll. It is you who are buring and attacking me

Actually right now i'm fixing my PC; thoughl I can still use my browser.

Oh right, I am burning and attacking you. You could have given a better answer than this.

[Rizgaraso]

Do you know that language classification and ethnic classification are two different issues? This two do not match in many cases.

Second, Do you know there is no definite border between langues and dialect? Do you know what is a languge and what is a dialect?

Oh really! Well, who does decide the ethnic classification then? And, who does decide what is a languge and what is a dialect? People like you?

Turcophone! It is not about ''who'', the point is here. If not chavunists like your atat**k had already succeded in performing their mongolic ideas on people of Middle east.

The point is what makes a people an ethnic group and what does not.

I see you are getting frustrated. I guess you realized that you cannot convince me with your crab. Now you are attacking me. From a Zaza perspective, I don't really see any difference between a chavunist Turks and people like you. Both of you want to assimilate us; not so hard to see it.

lolz, I am not frsutrated, I'm just mocking you!

Assimilate what? that's very funny and ridiculous! you have nothing for us to be zealous at; you have no population, no land, no history, nothing important; whatever you got is Kurdish. even historically your people were identified as Kurds cuz they had nothing! just let u know, i dont care a s**t about people like you. I never think about unimportant people like you.

But the point you dont get or dont want to get is Kurdishness. Of course I know that you have been under pressure of a bunch of savage mongols (you know them as turks) who for long have had negative propaganda against Kurds. Back to my discussion all the Iranic peoples of Zagros Taurus mountains regardless of their tribal vernaculars have historically been identified as Kurds. you confuse Kurd with Kurmanj (the same as many confuse Iranian with Persian). We have Hewramis in southern Kurdistan speak exactly the same dialect as zazas, but unlike Zazas they consider themselves as 'true Kurds'. IN FACT they do not consider Kurmanjs as true Kurds!!!! Their identity is Kurdish. their vernacular is also respected by other non-Hewrami-speaking Kurds. Indeed under semi-independent Kurdish state of Erdelan it was for centuries Hewrami which was the official and dominant dialect despite of the fact that the Hewramis were and still are a minority!!!

Your other peoblem is that you confuse Kurd with Turk. You have seen a turkish (read mongolian) state and think every other nation is trying to assimilate (lol) you!!! you are escaping from your own ethnic identity!

In one of my posts, I said, "I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap." Now I have the feeling about 100% of what you said is crab.

However, I liked your new story. You are getting more creative. Well, keep on going dude. Roj Bash needs you!

So you are stupidier than to being talked to?!! I got it!

I have told you that you are getting frustrated. You are trying to impose your ideas on me, and I am not buying any of your crab. That's why you are personally attacking me. I understand that because that's how a frustrated chauvinist acts.

I'm not frustrated ata ll. It is you who are buring and attacking me

Actually right now i'm fixing my PC; thoughl I can still use my browser.

Oh right, I am burning and attacking you. You could have given a better answer than this.

Ok, you are calm and listening to me. is this one better?

[Serd]

Do you know that language classification and ethnic classification are two different issues? This two do not match in many cases.

Second, Do you know there is no definite border between langues and dialect? Do you know what is a languge and what is a dialect?

Oh really! Well, who does decide the ethnic classification then? And, who does decide what is a languge and what is a dialect? People like you?

Turcophone! It is not about ''who'', the point is here. If not chavunists like your atat**k had already succeded in performing their mongolic ideas on people of Middle east.

The point is what makes a people an ethnic group and what does not.

I see you are getting frustrated. I guess you realized that you cannot convince me with your crab. Now you are attacking me. From a Zaza perspective, I don't really see any difference between a chavunist Turks and people like you. Both of you want to assimilate us; not so hard to see it.

lolz, I am not frsutrated, I'm just mocking you!

Assimilate what? that's very funny and ridiculous! you have nothing for us to be zealous at; you have no population, no land, no history, nothing important; whatever you got is Kurdish. even historically your people were identified as Kurds cuz they had nothing! just let u know, i dont care a s**t about people like you. I never think about unimportant people like you.

But the point you dont get or dont want to get is Kurdishness. Of course I know that you have been under pressure of a bunch of savage mongols (you know them as turks) who for long have had negative propaganda against Kurds. Back to my discussion all the Iranic peoples of Zagros Taurus mountains regardless of their tribal vernaculars have historically been identified as Kurds. you confuse Kurd with Kurmanj (the same as many confuse Iranian with Persian). We have Hewramis in southern Kurdistan speak exactly the same dialect as zazas, but unlike Zazas they consider themselves as 'true Kurds'. IN FACT they do not consider Kurmanjs as true Kurds!!!! Their identity is Kurdish. their vernacular is also respected by other non-Hewrami-speaking Kurds. Indeed under semi-independent Kurdish state of Erdelan it was for centuries Hewrami which was the official and dominant dialect despite of the fact that the Hewramis were and still are a minority!!!

Your other peoblem is that you confuse Kurd with Turk. You have seen a turkish (read mongolian) state and think every other nation is trying to assimilate (lol) you!!! you are escaping from your own ethnic identity!

In one of my posts, I said, "I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap." Now I have the feeling about 100% of what you said is crab.

However, I liked your new story. You are getting more creative. Well, keep on going dude. Roj Bash needs you!

So you are stupidier than to being talked to?!! I got it!

I have told you that you are getting frustrated. You are trying to impose your ideas on me, and I am not buying any of your crab. That's why you are personally attacking me. I understand that because that's how a frustrated chauvinist acts.

I'm not frustrated ata ll. It is you who are buring and attacking me

Actually right now i'm fixing my PC; thoughl I can still use my browser.

Oh right, I am burning and attacking you. You could have given a better answer than this.

Ok, you are calm and listening to me. is this one better?

For the first time, you said something right, Congratulations!

[Rizgaraso]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Sorani-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmanji tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

[zurderer]

1) If a linguistic term means nothing then you should forget about turkic murkic nonsense!! But does your double standards let you?

I dont realy care that turkic thing much.(As You said it is nonsenses.), but there is a different. Infact uygur turkish and turkey turkish is different dialects of same langauge, not same langauge family. Anyway, absolutely I care for bosniaks more than uygur turks.

2)Zazaki and Kurdish are not like Hungarian and Turkish! Zazaki and Kurdish are sister languages you know what a sister language is? they are at the border of being regarded as the same or not, but your example of Hungarian and Turkish is really absurd, these even do not belong two one language family!!!!

Yes, they belong to same langauge groups. Infact, It is hungarians who firstly invited Turan.

3) A Russian and a Bulgarian understand eachother because they have a good knowledge of their own mother tongues, but this is not true for innocent Kurmanjs and Zazas under facsism of a mongolied tyranny, (republic of turkeys). I

My friend, you are living even in same cities. So same langauge will not absolutely change so much.

an Iraqi Arab and an Arab of Morocco

yes, reason is distance. what is distance between zazas and kırmancıs? I am sure you wont compare it with iraq-moracco, or turkey-china distance.

)I see no Turkish culture. Kurds already got their own Iranian culture. what about turks?

so why did these people even built a shit? You are becoming boring. Tell me a dozen thing that built by kurds at diyarbakır, at agrı, at van. (different than petty houses.)

not Ottoman culture (what you wrongly call turkish ) a copy of other middle eastern nations from Arabs, to Iranians, to greeks and others?

copy? absolutely no, effected yes. We are effected from a lot culture. That is what make our culture beatiful.

Our home is made of glorious Iranian culture, what is your cultural homee made of? Do you know what Mevlana believed about Turks?

iranian culture? what? dont be joke. I dont know what mevlana believe about Turks, but I am sure he is son of turkish(Anatolian) culture. He is not called mevlana celalettin iranian.

But remember if turks were not so racist and facsist I never would say these realities; but you deserve such a rude attitude.

well, next time say realities, not dreams.

6) If Ottoman empire is not Turkish then what it is? well it was ruled by turkmens, but culturally it was nothing but an islamic empire. even the Ottoman rulers referrd to themselves as Caliphate, an Islamic court term!)

Get your history knowledge, only after Abdulhamit 2, ottomans begin to call themself as caliphate. Islamic empire? Yes it is. A turkic islamic empire. Europeans did not name ottomans as Turks and anatolia as turkey for no reason. Also culturally it is nothing part is still absurd.

My lovely az gelişmiş friend, If there is a human group, so there is a culture too.

7)So you accept that Zazas and Kurds are closely related, and also you accept that they are different than turks of western occupied Anatolia

Yep, genetically, but as I said before, genetic is related with region not nation. I should also say that, get out of occupied van. Weird guy, you are. You will never learn. Taştan evi olan başkasını taşlamaz.

I am not going to say Zazas are Kurds forcibly, (despite tones of facts), nore persians actually say Kurds are persian. Almost all Persians i've met say Kurds are brothers not sons of Persians.

Tones of fact? You just showed two fact, and I just said, they dont mean nothing. My persian friend.If persians dont call kurds as persians, a kurd have no right to call a zaza as kurd. Sorry, If I dont like turkish fasism, that does not mean, I will accept kurdish one.

Zazas are different people, and Infact most of them I met call themself as zaza. When I call them as kurd, they generally say no, I am zaza.

Please provide some sources for your claims!

It is you who is claming zazas as kurds, so you should show me some sources.

I repeat: Why a Ughur Turk from China doesn't understand a Turk from Turkey? They are both still Turks. Same goes for Zazaki/Kurmanci/Hewrami/Laki/Sorani/Kelhori/etc Kurds. Kurds didn't have a state institution to make one dialect dominant. Also in Holland we still have Dutch dialects. But only one is dominant.

and, I repeat, A turk can understand uygur.with difficulty but still understand. Also comparing an Uygur turk with turkey turk is ridiculous. Look at the distance, look at the lost of connection at last 1000 years.

there is not any distance between zazas and kurds, there is not any lost of connection between two people. So these difference cannot be reason for different dialects

There is not any reason for such a big difference. Living 1000 years together create similarity between langaugas, not otherwise.

[Serd]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

[Rizgaraso]

1) If a linguistic term means nothing then you should forget about turkic murkic nonsense!! But does your double standards let you?

I dont realy care that turkic thing much.(As You said it is nonsenses.), but there is a different. Infact uygur turkish and turkey turkish is different dialects of same langauge, not same langauge family. Anyway, absolutely I care for bosniaks more than uygur turks.

2)Zazaki and Kurdish are not like Hungarian and Turkish! Zazaki and Kurdish are sister languages you know what a sister language is? they are at the border of being regarded as the same or not, but your example of Hungarian and Turkish is really absurd, these even do not belong two one language family!!!!

Yes, they belong to same langauge groups. Infact, It is hungarians who firstly invited Turan.

3) A Russian and a Bulgarian understand eachother because they have a good knowledge of their own mother tongues, but this is not true for innocent Kurmanjs and Zazas under facsism of a mongolied tyranny, (republic of turkeys). I

My friend, you are living even in same cities. So same langauge will not absolutely change so much.

an Iraqi Arab and an Arab of Morocco

6)

yes, reason is distance. what is distance between zazas and kırmancıs? I am sure you wont compare it with iraq-moracco, or turkey-china distance.

)I see no Turkish culture. Kurds already got their own Iranian culture. what about turks?

so why did these people even built a shit? You are becoming boring. Tell me a dozen thing that built by kurds at diyarbakır, at agrı, at van. (different than petty houses.)

not Ottoman culture (what you wrongly call turkish ) a copy of other middle eastern nations from Arabs, to Iranians, to greeks and others?

copy? absolutely no, effected yes. We are effected from a lot culture. That is what make our culture beatiful.

Our home is made of glorious Iranian culture, what is your cultural homee made of? Do you know what Mevlana believed about Turks?

iranian culture? what? dont be joke. I dont know what mevlana believe about Turks, but I am sure he is son of turkish(Anatolian) culture. He is not called mevlana celalettin iranian.

But remember if turks were not so racist and facsist I never would say these realities; but you deserve such a rude attitude.

well, next time say realities, not dreams.

6) If Ottoman empire is not Turkish then what it is? well it was ruled by turkmens, but culturally it was nothing but an islamic empire. even the Ottoman rulers referrd to themselves as Caliphate, an Islamic court term!)

Get your history knowledge, only after Abdulhamit 2, ottomans begin to call themself as caliphate. Islamic empire? Yes it is. A turkic islamic empire. Europeans did not name ottomans as Turks and anatolia as turkey for no reason. Also culturally it is nothing part is still absurd.

My lovely az gelişmiş friend, If there is a human group, so there is a culture too.

7)So you accept that Zazas and Kurds are closely related, and also you accept that they are different than turks of western occupied Anatolia

Yep, genetically, but as I said before, genetic is related with region not nation. I should also say that, get out of occupied van. Weird guy, you are. You will never learn. Taştan evi olan başkasını taşlamaz.

I am not going to say Zazas are Kurds forcibly, (despite tones of facts), nore persians actually say Kurds are persian. Almost all Persians i've met say Kurds are brothers not sons of Persians.

Tones of fact? You just showed two fact, and I just said, they dont mean nothing. My persian friend.If persians dont call kurds as persians, a kurd have no right to call a zaza as kurd. Sorry, If I dont like turkish fasism, that does not mean, I will accept kurdish one.

Zazas are different people, and Infact most of them I met call themself as zaza. When I call them as kurd, they generally say no, I am zaza.

Please provide some sources for your claims!

It is you who is claming zazas as kurds, so you should show me some sources.

I repeat: Why a Ughur Turk from China doesn't understand a Turk from Turkey? They are both still Turks. Same goes for Zazaki/Kurmanci/Hewrami/Laki/Sorani/Kelhori/etc Kurds. Kurds didn't have a state institution to make one dialect dominant. Also in Holland we still have Dutch dialects. But only one is dominant.

and, I repeat, A turk can understand uygur.with difficulty but still understand. Also comparing an Uygur turk with turkey turk is ridiculous. Look at the distance, look at the lost of connection at last 1000 years.

there is not any distance between zazas and kurds, there is not any lost of connection between two people. So these difference cannot be reason for different dialects

There is not any reason for such a big difference. Living 1000 years together create similarity between langaugas, not otherwise.

1)Provide a source that there is not a Turkic language family but there is a single Turkish language. I REALLY want a source for this!

2) provide a source that Hungarian is a Turkic language.
3)The Kurmanji dialect of Kurdish only spread on that regions in a recent area. actually before Kurmanjization of the area there was a dialect continuum throughout Kurdish regions. If you migrated from one region to another one you would see differences but small in close areas and bigger in areas with more distance. it was during Ottoman-safavid era which the natural order of dialects changed. Actually the Kurmanji and Zazaki you are talking about are the more distant dialects! why you dont compare Zazaki with other dialects of Kurdistan?!!

4) Kurds have numerous historic relics throughout Kurdistan, But you tell me have the facsistic state of turkeys ever allowed any comprehent reasearch be done in Kurdish regions of northern Kurdistan? But of course still one can refer to numerous relics founded by Iranins in eastern Anatolia, among which is the cities of Kurdish kingdom of Kurdiene.

5)OH God, Mevlana not only was not a son of a Turk, but he did not like turks so much. he escaped his home to non-Turkic inhabited Anatolia because his homeland was invaded by turkic and mongolian tribes. In Anatolia at times people mostly were Greek. This is why he is called Rumi! notice he is not called Turki! because turks still had not invaded Anatolia. moreover about 95 of his poems are in Iranian. the rest are in Arabic, Greek and one of central asian languages (I dunno Turkish or Mongolian exactly.)
6) Yes Europeans refered to Ottoman empire as Turks because in their mind Turks meant savage, (sorry but it is a fact). They disliked Muslims and therefore named them as Turks aka vandals. The fact is that turkmen tribes were a minority in the islamic Ottoman empire.

7) Andmost Anatolians I met consider themselves non-Turkic. In fact they are becoming aware of what Turk means outside Turkish circles!

The rest u wrote is just a repitation; read above.

[Rizgaraso]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

I also have the same oponion about wikipedia, but i like it for the sources which I find inside its articles. In that article you can find many academic links or references which you can check them. and ignore the text written in the wikipedia article by itself. Moreover I dont want u to accept that Zazas are ethnically Kurdish. Zazas no more are important for other Kurds. Zazas were a tiny minority who are already gitti bitti. they all assimilated. there is no hope left for Zazas... vanished. I just wanted to show that despite many cntrasting theories, nothing can change their ethnicity which is different than language.

The last thing; Do you speak Zazaki?

[Serd]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

I also have the same oponion about wikipedia, but i like it for the sources which I find inside its articles. In that article you can find many academic links or references which you can check them. and ignore the text written in the wikipedia article by itself. Moreover I dont want u to accept that Zazas are ethnically Kurdish. Zazas no more are important for other Kurds. Zazas were a tiny minority who are already gitti bitti. they all assimilated. there is no hope left for Zazas... vanished. I just wanted to show that despite many cntrasting theories, nothing can change their ethnicity which is different than language.

The last thing; Do you speak Zazaki?

Kedi ulaşamadığı ciğere murdar dermiş.

Ez zonê Zazaki zaf hol qal keno, biçeve Zazaki.

A Zazaki TV is in its way. We already have two online Zazaki radyo. There are many Zazaki magazines. There are many projects on its way. I am personally ready to spend my personal intellectuality and wealth for protecting the Zazaki language and culture. My discussions with you guys here have really convinced me to effort more, thanks a lot.

[Rizgaraso]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

I also have the same oponion about wikipedia, but i like it for the sources which I find inside its articles. In that article you can find many academic links or references which you can check them. and ignore the text written in the wikipedia article by itself. Moreover I dont want u to accept that Zazas are ethnically Kurdish. Zazas no more are important for other Kurds. Zazas were a tiny minority who are already gitti bitti. they all assimilated. there is no hope left for Zazas... vanished. I just wanted to show that despite many cntrasting theories, nothing can change their ethnicity which is different than language.

The last thing; Do you speak Zazaki?

Kedi ulaşamadığı ciğere murdar dermiş.

Ez zonê Zazaki zaf hol qıse keno, biçeve Zazaki.

A Zazaki TV is in its way. We already have two online Zazaki radyo. There are many Zazaki magazines. There are many projects on its way. I am personally ready to spend my personal intellectuality and wealth for protecting the Zazaki language and culture. My discussions with you guys here have really convinced me to effort more, thanks a lot.

So u speak Kurdish too!! what you said was a mix of Sorani and hewrami!
And I dont know why should what we say make you worried?! That's a fact that for religious matters zazas were drunken in the sea of turkish 'light'!!
a few thousand zazas are not aimed by Kurds to be assimilated. From what Kurds say I understand some Kurds wanted a union with Zazas; but if it is not possible i dont think it is important at all. we have important issues like issue of Kirkuk, issue of Xaneqin, and all the large Kurdish regions of outside southern Kurdistan. a few mountaious zaza villages cost nothing for Kurds.




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[Serd]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

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Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

I also have the same oponion about wikipedia, but i like it for the sources which I find inside its articles. In that article you can find many academic links or references which you can check them. and ignore the text written in the wikipedia article by itself. Moreover I dont want u to accept that Zazas are ethnically Kurdish. Zazas no more are important for other Kurds. Zazas were a tiny minority who are already gitti bitti. they all assimilated. there is no hope left for Zazas... vanished. I just wanted to show that despite many cntrasting theories, nothing can change their ethnicity which is different than language.

The last thing; Do you speak Zazaki?

Kedi ulaşamadığı ciğere murdar dermiş.

Ez zonê Zazaki zaf hol qal keno, biçeve Zazaki.

A Zazaki TV is in its way. We already have two online Zazaki radyo. There are many Zazaki magazines. There are many projects on its way. I am personally ready to spend my personal intellectuality and wealth for protecting the Zazaki language and culture. My discussions with you guys here have really convinced me to effort more, thanks a lot.

So u speak Kurdish too!! what you said was a mix of Sorani and hewrami!
And I dont know why should what we say make you worried?! That's a fact that for religious matters zazas were drunken in the sea of turkish 'light'!!
a few thousand zazas are not aimed by Kurds to be assimilated. From what Kurds say I understand that Kurds wanted a union with Zazas; but if it is not possible i dont think it is important att all. we have other important issues like issue of Kirkuk, issue of Xaneqin, and all the large Kurdish regions of outside southern Kurdistan. a few mountaious zaza villages cost nothing for Kurds.

Yes sure, it is a mix of Sorani and hewrami! You just sound like the Turkish professors who thinks everybody in Turkey speak a Turkish dialects. Yes I agree you should not worry about Zazas. There is no oil in our lands!

[zurderer]

1)Provide a source that there is not a Turkic language family but there is a single Turkish language. I REALLY want a source for this!

Name of group is Ural-Altai langauge group. Turkic langauge family is sub-group of this group.

This is from an ozbek.

Ozbek va turk tili birhil mi?
yoq bu yerda bazilarning tamoman bir hil deyapganlar notogridir.
Hich umrida ozbekchani eshitmaga turk ozbekchani birinchi eshitganida tshunmaydi.ha togri halq orasida yurib kop narsalarni organishi mumkin lekin jidiy bir ozbek tilida yozilgan matin qoliga tushib qolsa tshunmay qoladi.Va tshunish uchun oqimoq va organmoq zarur.

Turkish
Özbek ve Türk dili bir dil mi?
Yok, bu yerde bazılarının tamamen aynı demeleri doğru değildir.
Hiç Ömründe Özbekçeyi işitmeyen Türk Özbekçeyi birinci işittiğinde anlamaz. Evet doğru, halk arasında yürüyüp çok şeyi öğrenmesi mümkün lakin ciddi bir Özbek dilinde yazılan metinle karşılaşsa anlamayacaktır. Ve anlamak için okumak ve öğrenmek zaruridir.


http://www.answers.com/topic/ural-altaic.

Our gramer between turkich people are totally same. Most of vocabullary are also same. (only they are effected from different countries.(russia, china, persians, arabs ext.)

I should add ozbekçe is more diffucult than turkmen and azari langauge.

2) provide a source that Hungarian is a Turkic language.

Hungarian is not a turkic langauge, It is an ural-altay langauge. Like korean or japan langauge.

http://www.answers.com/topic/hungarian-language

3)The Kurmanji dialect of Kurdish only spread on that regions in a recent area. actually before Kurmanjization of the area there was a dialect continuum throughout Kurdish regions. If you migrated from one region to another one you would see differences but small in close areas and bigger in areas with more distance. it was during Ottoman-safavid era which the natural order of dialects changed. Actually the Kurmanji and Zazaki you are talking about are the more distant dialects! why you dont compare Zazaki with other dialects of Kurdistan?!!

err, because of my knowledge lackness about kurdish dialects.

)OH God, Mevlana not only was not a son of a Turk, but he did not like turks so much.

I did not say he is son of turk, but Turkish culture.Also he is not fleeing from turks but mongols. Remember Turks were fleeing from mongols too.

he escaped his home to non-Turkic inhabited Anatolia because his homeland was invaded by turkic and mongolian tribes. In Anatolia at times people mostly were Greek. This is why he is called Rumi! notice he is not called Turki! because turks still had not invaded Anatolia. moreover about 95 of his poems are in Iranian. the rest are in Arabic, Greek and one of central asian languages (I dunno Turkish or Mongolian exactly.)

Hmm, at that times, konya was capital of anatolian selcuks.(Turks) why dont you read some history?

6) Yes Europeans refered to Ottoman empire as Turks because in their mind Turks meant savage, (sorry but it is a fact). They disliked Muslims and therefore named them as Turks aka vandals. The fact is that turkmen tribes were a minority in the islamic Ottoman empire.

Bla bla, realy one of most absurd reason I ever heard.

7) Andmost Anatolians I met consider themselves non-Turkic. In fact they are becoming aware of what Turk means outside Turkish circles!

Hmmm, I am not aware of such inclination.

[Rizgaraso]

Oh, pls dont forget about the link I provided above (this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardalan)

I think if you want to be sure that other Kurds dont want to impose their vernacular on zazas read history of southern Kurdistan carefully. I wish one day you visited southern or eastern Kurdistan to see how Soran-speakings regard Hewramis, (Hewrami is similar to Zazaki). culturally Hewramis despite are a minority are dominant in that regions. much of Kurdish poems, folclore and songs are in Hewrami... Even what you think Sorani is actually? It is a new mix of Kurmanji and Hewrami. when hewramis were dominant in medieval times, they assimilated local Kurmani tribes and produced a new dialect: which became known as ''Sorani''.

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Wikipedia is not a respected source. My professors do not accept any Wikipedia citations. So, I don't consider anything from Wikipedia reliable. Even Britannica has lots of mistakes, let alone Wikipedia.

I know some Hewrami organizations pressed Kurdish politicians to accept the Hewrami identity in the constitution of regional Kurdish government, and make the Hewrami language the official and education language of their area. However, this request is rejected because your politicians think that Hewrami is merely a Kurdish dialect and doesn’t merit any special rights.

Anyway, Hewrami is a different language, so your logic fails just even in the very beginning sentence. Moreover, Hewrami’s choice doesn’t bind me. I don’t really care about what they think.

I also have the same oponion about wikipedia, but i like it for the sources which I find inside its articles. In that article you can find many academic links or references which you can check them. and ignore the text written in the wikipedia article by itself. Moreover I dont want u to accept that Zazas are ethnically Kurdish. Zazas no more are important for other Kurds. Zazas were a tiny minority who are already gitti bitti. they all assimilated. there is no hope left for Zazas... vanished. I just wanted to show that despite many cntrasting theories, nothing can change their ethnicity which is different than language.

The last thing; Do you speak Zazaki?

Kedi ulaşamadığı ciğere murdar dermiş.

Ez zonê Zazaki zaf hol qal keno, biçeve Zazaki.

A Zazaki TV is in its way. We already have two online Zazaki radyo. There are many Zazaki magazines. There are many projects on its way. I am personally ready to spend my personal intellectuality and wealth for protecting the Zazaki language and culture. My discussions with you guys here have really convinced me to effort more, thanks a lot.

So u speak Kurdish too!! what you said was a mix of Sorani and hewrami!
And I dont know why should what we say make you worried?! That's a fact that for religious matters zazas were drunken in the sea of turkish 'light'!!
a few thousand zazas are not aimed by Kurds to be assimilated. From what Kurds say I understand that Kurds wanted a union with Zazas; but if it is not possible i dont think it is important att all. we have other important issues like issue of Kirkuk, issue of Xaneqin, and all the large Kurdish regions of outside southern Kurdistan. a few mountaious zaza villages cost nothing for Kurds.

Yes sure, it is a mix of Sorani and hewrami! You just sound like the Turkish professors who thinks everybody in Turkey speak a Turkish dialects. Yes I agree you should not worry about Zazas. There is no oil in our lands!

All words in the sentence you said were Kurdish exept one leter, but maybe that one is also Kurdish. the last word you said 'keno' we say 'kero'. You used 'n' (similar to persian). And to me you just sound like Turkish proffessors who think everything Kurdish should be destroyed or labelled as non-Kurdish!

And last thing, good that you confessed that there no oil in zaza villages, then why Kurds want to assimilate them?1 all the case was union in order to better confront the common enemy. But from first day Zazas (i dont mean all but a minority of them) supported turkeys republic.