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Do you support independence of Zazaistan?

Poll ended at Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:41 pm

Yes - I do - We must respect other people and support them in their struggle for independence!
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No - I don't - "Zazaistan" is a PART of Greater Kurdistan!
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Total votes : 39

PostAuthor: Parsi » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:47 pm

Lovetobewithfriends wrote:
Parsi wrote:
Lovetobewithfriends wrote:I adore Persians in the way,they are so active and they care nations' right and they are a great statue of civilization,culture and science.So still everybody cares them and listen to them.That is why they have still friends and not crying like "we dont have any allies." :wink:


Tell me - who cares about Persians? The West?? They just sit there and watch the IRI treat not only Persians - but all Iranians like crap. They don't care - no one does.

What Allies do they have left? Arabs? Turks? I don't think so...

Yes all Iranian people have accomplished much in the past, including the Persians. Too bad they are a mere memory now...



Persians are Iranic people yes they manage Iran ,they are not whole Iran but Persians are not like their old ages if we compare them with their old ages position,we cant find too much similarity.I think administration of religious leaders,ex-religious management and despot management is changing country's vision,for example some Kurds who tied too much with their religion had some wrong decisions about their nations,Shêx Seîd allied with Turks because of same religion but by the way,Kurds are harmed and lost their national rights even language and went under.And now Ahmedinejad is extreme-islamist and they say Israel should be deleted but i hope there is better ways than deleting eachothers but Persian allowed Jews return to Israel and built their temple.And it is so easy way,not realistic and incomprehensible that saying a country should be delete because of your religion it doesnt matter a lot it just means more fight,it is just a way that saying im blind,christians believed that world's shape is like tray and they lived in middle age until they revolted the bad,blind,despot management system and the falling systems have just "more war and more despot management system,please" politics.I think all extreme ways are wrong and it is clear extreme-religious is bad even it is islam still it is going worse.But a nation or a small people still save their characteristic a bit or much even they are extreme or not and the only province is given by the nations who took our land is in Iran.And of course it is about nations' rising time and falling times too.I know it is not enough and still there is nonsence bans there but even some Persians have trouble with their ex-islamists and despots and they fled from there and when Turkey's prime minister dont meet with Talabani,Ahmedinejad is still meeting with him.Nobody cared much USA's war against Iraq but Russia,China dont want USA to attack Iran i know there is trade deals between them but i dont think nobody will resist too much if USA attack Turkey but Turkey is similar Iran and have lots of things to trade but still couldnt effect the others enough.Shortly,i mean Persian who a part of Iran lost highly power and their civilization level for long time and they have problem inside but still they are better than the others and they are giving much more symbolic rights at least to save our honour


Most IRI members are Azari, not Persian. But to them ethnicity doesn't matter - only extreme shiism. If you aren't with them, then you are against them and should be oppressed/assimilated.

And as Diri said - the reason IRI gives Kurds more rights than any other country is because of their cultural closeness to other Iranians, so it would be to their benefit to.

Iranians in general feel very close to one another and Kurds - the difference in Iran and Iraq is that it's not a country based on fake borders but a country who's people feel close companionship towards one another. I dare you to go to any part of Rojhalat and see any prejudice or hate towards Persians, Azars, Mazandaranis, Baluch, Turkamans, etc or vice versa. Recently these bonds have been shaken because of three things:

1. Arrogance and Injustices of IRI
2. Pan-Turkic movements and people whom our beloved Cazyun supports so much.
3. Persianism

Of course, injustices have been done by Shah which included Persianism and wanting of rapid Westernization. :roll:
Look to your history and roots to find your true self.

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PostAuthor: Serd » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:02 pm

I do not have the time to debate you guys point-for-point on this issue, but I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap.

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PostAuthor: Lovetobewithfriends » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:32 pm

Thanks for your post,Bro.Now i got it but blabla..ism like Pan-Iranism and Pan-Turkism are a piece of shit they will never can do nobody will support them and they will drown in their stupid ideas,they are trying to unity people with close national ties and religion but this people are different from eachother too much,this passions are just for money and superpower.And they dont have capacity to make their imagine real.USA and Russia are trying to control the area they want to have Big Turkey or Big Iran and when they do that Turkey and Iran cant do anything for their passions and it is suicide for USA or Russia giving the land to them.I guess they should think on saving their borders more than Pan.. thing :wink: .

By the way,i think Iranians or Persians or Aryans...,are more equable to Kurds honestly.Yes,im sure they are doing that for their Pan-Iranism politics.But i have Iranian friend,he really was more close to me than Turks or Arabs by heart and he impresed me but he were saying we have same blood,we are bros lots of times and i got it what you mean. :wink: And he didnt invent stupid stories about Kurds like Turks or Arabs and didnt look at me as like he saw aliens cause im Kurd :lol: .And Persians are ancient and they were real civilization.I feel much more closer to them than Turks or Arabs we should response them as good as we can i hope they will stop their Shia and Pan-Iranist movements what will they earn by the way? just land and oil,gas,etc.. but the ideas come with disaster they still cant use it and they are still too underdeveloped in civilization,philoposy,science...,it has been long time USA went to moon,they cant even write a book a German or English wrote one century ago,they are just reading them,i can understand their feeling a bit but they cant win against them with the pieces they got from them,i guess they have antidotes against what they produced. :roll: And USA is close to Turkey and Russia close to Iran,what kind of Pan-Turkism or Pan-Iranism it is? but i clearly got their idea about Pan-Iranism,if you say it is not good for us,i guess you are right,Bro :wink:

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:57 pm

parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to :D

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast :?

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PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:42 pm

cazyun wrote:parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to :D

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast :?


Kurds, Indians, Norwegians, British, Italian, Portugese and Persians = Indo-Europeans

Turks, Koreans and Saami = Ural-Altaic

Arabs and Assyrians and Jews = Semitic

See?

It's not about "Pan-Iranism" - it's about Indo-Europeans...
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:04 pm

intresting theory diri 8)

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PostAuthor: Lovetobewithfriends » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:11 pm

cazyun wrote:parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to :D

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast :?



Nope,Parsi had said Iran is Persianist,extreme shiite and Pan-Turkist.And i said "Persians are more civilizated,were good to other nations in the past and they think Kurds and the other Iranians have same blood and i have an Iranian friend and with his all mistakes and goodness,i see he were good to Kurds much more than the others by heart."

Ottoman were the best to Kurds in the history and Ottoman was caring religion to much and trying to take west,they didnt have personal problems or cultural problems with Kurds and there was lots of nations in Ottoman much more than Turks,i know but now graywolfs and kemalists are no good to Kurds.Kemalists are more open-minded but you know what they did to Kurds after independence war and kemalists and graywolfes had close ties.But Ataturk was a clever man and he saw graywolfes who worked with Nazis,are sentenced to lose with their dream world and so kemalists try to create their idea,in fact it was not the worst really but now it is old for the age and Turks dont have another Ataturk,that is all my ideas.

Peoples' ties and relationships are more than politics and without provoke politics you cant break relations and without clever politics you cant fix it.And Turks broke the politic ties with Kurds by pushing them out of field.As Cyprus had very close ties with Turks,Greeks had good ties with Turks and Armenians were loyal nation(millet-i sıdıka) and the all had historical ties with Turks and eachothers.But after some rumours peoples hate each other,especially Turks provoke their people too much.I even heard that Turks say "Kurds have tails.". :lol:

So what happened?what Turks earn nothing.I heard a story i guess an Armenian who has no relation with the conflict and wiped out Armenian, wrote the book.He wrote that "So what is better there without us?".And then Turks say why we cant live together?i think it is not so hard to answer.Some Turks provoke their nation for their politics and this is not civilized way and the other one cant hold themselves and some of them try to provoke their nation but they cant be good when you compare with Turks about that.So it is hard that living with Turks and Arabs because they are good provokers against the other nations,do Arabs think still Kurds are evil?,they are best at hate.But Persians are good.As a persian empire they ruled lots of nations but nothing went wrong and they really see Kurds as a close nation with blood ties. :) That's why i though Persians are really better than the others,yes they are not angels of Kurds but there is even Kurdistan Province in Iran even it is small or big.In Turkey,maybe you as a Kurd can live good without talking much about nations and by hiding your race if you are a totaly quite and passive man,so where is historical ties it will be my pleasure if i can see it. :wink:

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PostAuthor: Lovetobewithfriends » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:13 pm

Diri wrote:
cazyun wrote:parsi cut your iranie assimlation politic..yes pan iranist doestn belongs to kurds or azeris.invite pakistanis they would love to :D

lovetobewithfriends are you kidding me? you feel more connection with iranians then turks?wtf something weird is happening..turks are more realted to your guys then others and you still deny your backgrounds,,its a shame i think iranies like parsi thinks only on to make kurds and azeris be part of persians empire...its smells pan iranists here..anyway iranic is a term invented by persians..i am not suprised kurds gets talked on so fast :?


Kurds, Indians, Norwegians, British, Italian, Portugese and Persians = Indo-Europeans

Turks, Koreans and Saami = Ural-Altaic

Arabs and Assyrians and Jews = Semitic

See?

It's not about "Pan-Iranism" - it's about Indo-Europeans...



You should add Russians,Germans and more....,Bro :wink: Can you remember something when somebody say Aryan race who called by Nazis??But anyways i know how bad being racist it sucks,didnt want to mention that but still it is known as a good theory for lots :)
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:20 pm

lovetobewithfriend you must be a kurd from iran they all call them selfs iranies...know i cant see anything intresting in your double A4 page..sure iranies and kurds can share SOME historical similarities but to surrender you cause like you said is complete wrong...iran land of aryans very good ideologies by iranies=persians to lock many ethnicities into the trap...

it smells still pan iranists here 8)

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:22 pm

yeah sure kurds are also realted to italians vivaa such a family :wink:

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PostAuthor: Lovetobewithfriends » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:54 pm

:lol: :lol:

Because of the close culture,Iranians like Kurds even when i believe we are not in same blood in fact and it is historical fact Iran,Germany,Italy,Russia,England,etc. are from same roots..,you got it?And Turks who provoke their nation against to Kurds,Greeks..... dont want any ties with Kurds because they dont want any more nation which is not assimilated.There is lots of things to become a nation and by swearing Kurdish culture and digesting it,Turks are breaking Kurds' national ties.Talking Kurdish is a blame why it is a point for being a nation without that you cant exploit it.They are swearing or digesting by the way they are demolishing our culture.What is the Turkish -Kurdish great ties in it?If the great ties continue to exist,there wont be Turkish-Kurdish ties,there will be only Turkis-Turkish ties.It is so simple i hope you got it or i am going to think you are kidding with us. :!: .But maybe Persians are better than Turks,at least they are warmer and they are much more civilized and civilizations dont break national ties,they conquer if they are more processed and developed without mixing the other nations' internal things,they write their names in history with golden words,for example Greeks,Roman Empire,Persians and lots of adore their culture and adopt it with their own wishes but i cant say same for Turks,sorry,we shouldnt break our ties with them completely.

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PostAuthor: Lovetobewithfriends » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:08 pm

And my favourite civilization is Greek civilization with philosophers,scientists....8) :P

They didnt need much to exploit the others' culture or the other things much.I heard they were burning their villages if they lost war to not be assimilated...

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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:32 pm

Serd wrote:I do not have the time to debate you guys point-for-point on this issue, but I have the feeling about 80% of what you guys say is crap.
Nice excuse.
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:58 pm

lovestobewithfriends thats what you belive..and iranies and kurds dont have anuthing special ties..they are distinct from eachother..
yeah but if we talk history kurds and turks today there arents anything difference..it has been created by fanatics both turks and kurds.. imagine where do you want to live? in a iran where you cant show your eyes or in a seculurized country ? where you are free? and equal :wink:

i cant belive gianluigi buffon :lol: is related too kurds hahaha like you says lovetobewithfriends :lol: :lol:

anyway there are lots of evidence and proof but much is nonsense :P

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:01 pm

greeks and armenians must foloows the territory areas..what happened to them is tragedy both it was about to live or survive in that case :wink:

my oppinion... 8)

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