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[talsor]

@ Piling:

Look at this video and think of the way talsor has been writing about women



I am glad that talsor will never find out where I teach - for your sake I hope he never visits Paris - talsor gives me the creeps

You a teacher ?

lol , i chalenge you to find one bad thing that i said about women except the feminists like you . You one the other hand filled the entire forum with you crap about men . You do not give me the creeps , you are a creep

[talsor]

@ Piling

talsor is an extremely mixed up man

He accuses you of unemployment - but at the same time working in a kurdish community center

Since when has working in the same place for over 10 years been classed as unemployment

I am jealous - I wish there was such a Kurdish institute in England - I would be happy to work there

You have learnt several languages - published several books - I am sure your family are extremely proud of you

Sounds like some useless hobbies to me . People pursue such hobbies as a result of difficulties coping with life and their own family and society .

[talsor]

1/ I don't care if my parents are proud of me or not, I am not a parental program but a free human.

You do not have a parents ,because they do not care and you know it . How could they care when they have a daughter who does nothing but spent her entire life in kurdish communities in order to feel like she is relevent . "not Parental progran and free human " is something you tell yourself to feel better . I'm sorry to be so cruel , but take the kurds out of your life and you would not last a month .

2/ . I don't care of child, so I don't have, that is freedom.

My point exactly , A self imposed infertility driven normally by some form of mental disorder or do you think not wanting children is normal

I have loved, passionately,
I have traveled, I have written books, I I have spiritual life, and even if I would have 'ended' in Kurdish community it would mean that at least I have made more steps than you, who never go further than the place where your birth put you.

End results my dear , end results . Everything in life is measured by the end results . Now i'm not going to brag like you do because i do not feel the need to do .You on the other hand are forced to defend your choices or lack of choices . Sorry to manipulate you this way this was just or fun .

So I made more steps than you and contrary to you I am not bitter toward the community that surrounds me, '

المبالغة في اطهار جانب موعياً يعني النقص فيه
bragging too much about something is a clear indication inferiority .

for you could be the typical example of 'frustrated diaspora which never come back in the native country but hate the exile.'

I love it here and love it there . So hard to choose to I choose both

4/ Concerning Roj Bash, I have to confess something : I don';t care of forums and I have never been interested in them, especially now with twitter and Facebook, and tumblr : forums are just backward places.

lady give me a break , this is your life and the air for Anthea .Roj bash is a perfect ground to throw your masculinity around without consequences . Hell You practically banned everyone until there was no one left except you and anthea , So do not give me this crap . You can leave anytime you want to and no one will miss you . please take Anthea with you too

The question is : why you asked to leave a place of moderator but have never been able to leave the place completely ?

I had to leave for few month for a project in kurdistan and did not have time to monitor the site . Over all being a Mod is a Borden I did/do not want anymore .

[KabirKuhi]

So I made more steps than you and contrary to you I am not bitter toward the community that surrounds me, for you could be the typical example of 'frustrated diaspora which never come back in the native country but hate the exile.'

That's easy for you to say. Your country and state isn't in shambles. We have one barely functioning autonomous state, and the rest of our lands are not free, because of corruption, tribalism and politics. While you and your country men live in perpetual inertia, you have your political rights,security, social mobility, unified nation, free to pursue your interests, face no discrimination. Yet you talk with contempt about people who out of lack of these things, who had to move away, as if they're scum. Pray tell, what gives you the right to feelings of such contempt? You have the right to pursue endlessly foreign cultures, but members of those foreign nations and cultures cannot even talk, without being "Bitter" ? Please don't tell me "you're westerners", we both know that in the west we're only westerners on paper.

[Piling]

1/ I don't care if my parents are proud of me or not, I am not a parental program but a free human.

You do not have a parents ,because they do not care and you know it . How could they care when they have a daughter who does nothing but spent her entire life in kurdish communities in order to feel like she is relevent . "not Parental progran and free human " is something you tell yourself to feel better . I'm sorry to be so cruel , but take the kurds out of your life and you would not last a month .

2/ . I don't care of child, so I don't have, that is freedom.

My point exactly , A self imposed infertility driven normally by some form of mental disorder or do you think not wanting children is normal

I have loved, passionately,
I have traveled, I have written books, I I have spiritual life, and even if I would have 'ended' in Kurdish community it would mean that at least I have made more steps than you, who never go further than the place where your birth put you.

End results my dear , end results . Everything in life is measured by the end results . Now i'm not going to brag like you do because i do not feel the need to do .You on the other hand are forced to defend your choices or lack of choices . Sorry to manipulate you this way this was just or fun .

So I made more steps than you and contrary to you I am not bitter toward the community that surrounds me, '

المبالغة في اطهار جانب موعياً يعني النقص فيه
bragging too much about something is a clear indication inferiority .

for you could be the typical example of 'frustrated diaspora which never come back in the native country but hate the exile.'

I love it here and love it there . So hard to choose to I choose both

4/ Concerning Roj Bash, I have to confess something : I don';t care of forums and I have never been interested in them, especially now with twitter and Facebook, and tumblr : forums are just backward places.

lady give me a break , this is your life and the air for Anthea .Roj bash is a perfect ground to throw your masculinity around without consequences . Hell You practically banned everyone until there was no one left except you and anthea , So do not give me this crap . You can leave anytime you want to and no one will miss you . please take Anthea with you too

The question is : why you asked to leave a place of moderator but have never been able to leave the place completely ?

I had to leave for few month for a project in kurdistan and did not have time to monitor the site . Over all being a Mod is a Borden I did/do not want anymore .

You are such a comic man in your rancid frustration and your ideas about life coming for 200 years ago, that in fact you make me laugh, but I pity you also. You are like these poor little trash whites who vote for far-right parties, more pathetic than hateful, lost in a changing and huge world.

[Piling]

So I made more steps than you and contrary to you I am not bitter toward the community that surrounds me, for you could be the typical example of 'frustrated diaspora which never come back in the native country but hate the exile.'

That's easy for you to say. Your country and state isn't in shambles. We have one barely functioning autonomous state, and the rest of our lands are not free, because of corruption, tribalism and politics. While you and your country men live in perpetual inertia, you have your political rights,security, social mobility, unified nation, free to pursue your interests, face no discrimination. Yet you talk with contempt about people who out of lack of these things, who had to move away, as if they're scum. Pray tell, what gives you the right to feelings of such contempt? You have the right to pursue endlessly foreign cultures, but members of those foreign nations and cultures cannot even talk, without being "Bitter" ? Please don't tell me "you're westerners", we both know that in the west we're only westerners on paper.

Indeed, Islam is Western and Muslims are Westerners. Western civilization stops at Indus river.

[Piling]

137 pages Elliot Rodger;s manifesto :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elli ... -manifesto

Hard job to read everything, personally, I am lazy…

But in fact, all these delirium could be compressed in one sample :

"It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
"I will punish all of you for it," he says again, and then he laughs.

"On the day of retribution I will enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true Alpha Male."

Of course, it sounds funny and laughable. Of course the problem is that even morons can be killer. So it was a pathetic Men Rights movement murderer, as it is explained there :

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/2 ... -Movement#

[Anthea]

Of course, it sounds funny and laughable. Of course the problem is that even morons can be killer. So it was a pathetic Men Rights movement murderer, as it is explained there :

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/2 ... -Movement#

You should not have posted any information about the "Mens Rights Movement" it will only make talsor want to join

[Anthea]

Sounds like some useless hobbies to me . People pursue such hobbies as a result of difficulties coping with life and their own family and society.

talsor believes that writing books is a useless hobby

Perhaps he has never studied anything in depth - or even read a classic - or read a book of poems

Kurds absolutely love poems and hold all writers in high esteem

Perhaps talsor is not even a Kurd

As talsor thinks that writing is useless hobby perhaps he is a Nazi and wants to burn books

"The Nazi book burnings were a campaign conducted by the German Student Union to ceremonially burn books in Nazi Germany and Austria by classical liberal, anarchist, socialist, pacifist, communist, Jewish, and other authors whose writings were viewed as subversive or whose ideologies undermined the National Socialist administration."

[KabirKuhi]

Indeed, Islam is Western and Muslims are Westerners. Western civilization stops at Indus river.

Islam is not western. It's a south-west asian religion. Christianity was a west-Asian religion, until it became institutionalized by the greco-roman political elite in europe and christian clergy, so it became a part of western spirituality. West-asian groups that are associated with and part of the islam-genesis begin in the levant and end in afghanistan. If you mean that islam began in the western half of asia, sure, then islam would be western, so would many other religions that would be considered non-western. To me western=europeans. Even if we look past the ideas and cultures associated with islam, there are big theological differences. Christianity is centralized authority-wise, believes in abstract trinity, does not have a sunnah. So it's not that christianity is a western religion, it's a westernized eastern religion, that was adopted by europeans and turned into a european religion.

talsor believes that writing books is a useless hobby

Perhaps he has never studied anything in depth - or even read a classic - or read a book of poems

Kurds absolutely love poems and hold all writers in high esteem

Perhaps talsor is not even a Kurd :shock:

As talsor thinks that writing is useless hobby perhaps he is a Nazi and wants to burn books

roflmao.. anyone who disagrees with you cannot be a kurd. Even if you meet massoud barzani... and he disagreed with you "Massoud barzani must not be a kurd, he didn't like kebab-sabzi" . You determining who is kurdish is as valid as me or talsor talking about who is english or not.

[talsor]

You are such a comic man in your rancid frustration and your ideas about life coming for 200 years ago, that in fact you make me laugh, but I pity you also. You are like these poor little trash whites who vote for far-right parties, more pathetic than hateful, lost in a changing and huge world.

Taking the higher ground again

You see naive people might have respect for loser like you with all the facade you display ,but I see beyond the surface and that hits the nerve with you . Frankly , I am never that cruel and always respectful , however your high Nose attitude add to that your total ban to everyone who dare to say anything that is not in line with your messed up campus make you a fair target .

The rule of conversation are fairly simple ,Be Nice . Act like a bitch and you will be treated like one and i could do this all day long .

[KabirKuhi]

You are such a comic man in your rancid frustration and your ideas about life coming for 200 years ago, that in fact you make me laugh, but I pity you also. You are like these poor little trash whites who vote for far-right parties, more pathetic than hateful, lost in a changing and huge world.

Taking the higher ground again

You see naive people might have respect for loser like you with all the facade you display ,but I see beyond the surface and that hits the nerve with you . Frankly , I am never that cruel and always respectful , however your high Nose attitude add to that your total ban to everyone who dare to say anything that is not in line with your messed up campus make you a fair target .

The rule of conversation are fairly simple ,Be Nice . Act like a bitch and you will be treated like one and i could do this all day long .

Don't take her attitude seriously. She is french. They're snobs by nature. Even if they shoot your children infront of you, they cannot be at fault. They respect no one and nada. It's a very insolent country in Europe, and they think they're better than everyone else.

[Piling]

Islam is not western. It's a south-west asian religion. Christianity was a west-Asian religion, until it became institutionalized by the greco-roman political elite in europe and christian clergy, so it became a part of western spirituality. West-asian groups that are associated with and part of the islam-genesis begin in the levant and end in afghanistan. If you mean that islam began in the western half of asia, sure, then islam would be western, so would many other religions that would be considered non-western. To me western=europeans. Even if we look past the ideas and cultures associated with islam, there are big theological differences. Christianity is centralized authority-wise, believes in abstract trinity, does not have a sunnah. So it's not that christianity is a western religion, it's a westernized eastern religion, that was adopted by europeans and turned into a european religion.

I could have explained that Islam has the same roots than Judaism and Christianism, and is indeed a offspring of Judeo-Christianism, mixed with Greek and Mesopotamian gnosis and Iranian mystics. In fact, Islam is a remake of these sects of Christian-Jews who did not believe that Jesus was a God, but a prophet and a messiah (many parts of Coran are copycat of gnostic St Thomas's Evangile).

I could have explained that, exactly like Judaism and Christianity, Islam believes that the word was created from nothing by a God, that there is a starting point where time began, and there will be an end of all : Western time is linear ; if you look at Indian cyclic periods (succession of worlds/destructions/worlds) or Chinese cosmogony (no beginning, no end) you could understand why, for Indian or Far Eastern civilization, Islam is Westerner.

I could explain that Jewish philosopher like Maimonid, or Christian philosopher (like Thomas of Aquino), and Muslim philosopher like Ibn Roshd, tried unsuccessfully to conciliate Aristotle and its eternal universe with the revelations of Coran or Bible, because 3 religions were torn between Greek philosophy and Semitic sacred books.

I could have explained why the Christian/Jewish/Muslim ontology concerning the question of Being/Existence/Non Being (In Islam you have Ibn Sîna/Sohrawardi/Mollah Sadra Shirazî for these questions) are absolutely the same way of thinking : the former Greek dichotomy between Being vs non Being, while for a taoist, there is no bipolarity, but a graduation of intermediary states of changing-being 'tao', movement and a non permanent nature.

I could have explained that Judaism, Islam, Christianity have the same God, characterized by anthropomorphism, with the aspects of a sovereign, a judge, a jurist (a psychotic, also) imposing rules concerning trivial questions like food, sex, clothes, etc, all are religions of taboos and rules, for which there are good deeds, bad deeds.For Indian religions, a thing is allowed or forbidden depending on your own dharma/cast/fate. For Chinese confucianism or taoism, and also for the Bhagavad Gita, an act is not bad or good in an absolute way : there are appropriate to the moment or to the situation, or irrelevant.

I could have reminded how, after Judaism and Christianity have been infused by Greek philosophy (Aristotle, Platon and Plotinus), Christianity was influenced by Iranian religions, while manicheism was quite a christian deviance (you do not seem to know that Nestorianism spread in Iran until Central Asia, was called Church of Persian and that many aspects in shiism are catholic copycat cults : cults of martyrs, killed messiah, holy family, Fatma vs Virgin etc). ;

I could have reminded that Syriac church gave to Islam the translation of Greek thinkers and Islam gave to Europe the same inheritance via Jews of Spain, and how Ismaeli thinkers developed a christology around the figure as Jesus the crucified (though Islam does not recognize the crucifixion), with, for example, Sejestani who quoted a Persian gnostic translation of St Matthew, or Nasir od Din Tusî, or Shohrawardî working of St John's writing, and how at the contrary some Avicennian concepts were included in Catholic dogma and theology, until Muhammad Iqbal, for example, who founded his own philosophy and conception of Man Co-Creator with God, by reading Nietzsche, Goethe and Coran.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are interchangeable : you can translate a muslim thinker, a Jewish rabbi, a Christian theologian, they use the same concepts and same conceptions of the Existence and Essence.

There is no exact translation for Tao, Dharma, Yoga, Yin/Yang, nirvana in Veda, I Ching, Tao tö King, or Buddha's teaching. Because these civilization have not our time, our Being, our Live and Death visions.

I coud have explained all this, but the intellectual level of this forum is too low, it would be like cast pearls before swines (Matthew, 7:6).

[KabirKuhi]

I could have explained that Islam has the same roots than Judaism and Christianism, and is indeed a offspring of Judeo-Christianism, mixed with Greek and Mesopotamian gnosis and Iranian mystics. In fact, Islam is a remake of these sects of Christian-Jews who did not believe that Jesus was a God, but a prophet and a messiah (many parts of Coran are copycat of gnostic St Thomas's Evangile).

Everyone does that. But how does that translate into the real world? Outside of this abstract idea of worlds, that aren't in western academia?

I could have explained that, exactly like Judaism and Christianity, Islam believes that the word was created from nothing by a God, that there is a starting point where time began, and there will be an end of all : Western time is linear ; if you look at Indian cyclic periods (succession of worlds/destructions/worlds) or Chinese cosmogony (no beginning, no end) you could understand why, for Indian or Far Eastern civilization, Islam is Westerner.

Your definition of westerner is purely philosphical and theological. My definition of westerner is based on culture, politics and lineage. Your definition comes from abstract intellectual realms, mine comes from reality.

I could explain that Jewish philosopher like Maimonid, or Christian philosopher (like Thomas of Aquino), and Muslim philosopher like Ibn Roshd, tried unsuccessfully to conciliate Aristotle and its eternal universe with the revelations of Coran or Bible, because 3 religions were torn between Greek philosophy and Semitic sacred books.

Ibn rush was famous for innovating. As for mainmonades or thomas aquino, I don't know enough about them to talk.

I could have explained why the Christian/Jewish/Muslim ontology concerning the question of Being/Existence/Non Being (In Islam you have Ibn Sîna/Sohrawardi/Mollah Sadra Shirazî for these questions) are absolutely the same way of thinking : the former Greek dichotomy between Being vs non Being, while for a taoist, there is no bipolarity, but a graduation of intermediary states of changing-being 'tao', movement and a non permanent nature.

Theology aside, what do they as civilizations have in common?

I could have explained that Judaism, Islam, Christianity have the same God, characterized by anthropomorphism, with the aspects of a sovereign, a judge, a jurist (a psychotic, also) imposing rules concerning trivial questions like food, sex, clothes, etc, all are religions of taboos and rules, for which there are good deeds, bad deeds.For Indian religions, a thing is allowed or forbidden depending on your own dharma/cast/fate. For Chinese confucianism or taoism, and also for the Bhagavad Gita, an act is not bad or good in an absolute way : there are appropriate to the moment or to the situation, or irrelevant.

Your defintion is purely theological in that case. My definition is cultural, political, lineage based.

I could have reminded how, after Judaism and Christianity have been infused by Greek philosophy (Aristotle, Platon and Plotinus), Christianity was influenced by Iranian religions, while manicheism was quite a christian deviance (you do not seem to know that Nestorianism spread in Iran until Central Asia, was called Church of Persian and that many aspects in shiism are catholic copycat cults : cults of martyrs, killed messiah, holy family, Fatma vs Virgin etc).

The shiah concepts of martyrship, the martyrships of Ali, hossein and hassan. Don't stem from the catholic church(what a preposterous suggestion). It came from shiah narratives and hadiths. You cannot seriously, an academic of any kind, believe that nestorianism, a small movement of syriac lead churches, were able to have such an impact.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are interchangeable : you can translate a muslim thinker, a Jewish rabbi, a Christian theologian, they use the same concepts and same conceptions of the Existence and Essence.

I largely agree with you. But can you answer my questions above?

I coud have explained all this, but the intellectual level of this forum is too low, it would be like cast pearls before swines (Matthew, 7:6).

If you could get off your high horse, and pause your intellectually bourgeois tirade, people could engage you in "higher-level" debate.

[Piling]

Theology aside, what do they as civilizations have in common?

Everything. What are their differences ?