are kurdish men faithful?

[Shirko]

That's not true, being Kurdish paternally determined, DNA variation amongst near easterner a is already almost udentical, and the maternal DNA varies amongst a ethnic group.

Not really... autosmal alleles differ alot between kurds and arabs. Iranians are the genetically the closest group to kurds. Mtdna and Y-dna are very small part of hereditary genetics.

I was not talking about Kurds being closer to Arabs or Iranians, that is a whole other argument and it depends on what Arabs or even Iranians you are talking about, what I am saying is that a persons ethnicity especially in the middle east, is determined by the father, and you will always have some varieties in genes due to marriages of woman from foreign blood.

[Shirko]

You sound like the Persians, lets face it, Kurds are also from Mesopotamia, the only thing that separates us from the others is that paternal linkage, I don't care it's a small fraction of one percent, because thousands of years ago, there was that first Kurdish man that we are related to, and millions of woman in between.

[Feyli_kord]

You sound like the Persians, lets face it, Kurds are also from Mesopotamia, the only thing that separates us from the others is that paternal linkage, I don't care it's a small fraction of one percent, because thousands of years ago, there was that first Kurdish man that we are related to, and millions of woman in between.

I'm not saying this because i love persians. It's reality though. I can show you the genetic information if you want.

[Anthea]

I suppose it is the new-born :

http://northerniraq.info/forums/gallery ... &sd=d&st=0

Thank you just what I was waiting to see

BLESS she is so cute and absolutely adorable

I hope that sadkurdlover will now be happy with her 2 lovely girls

[Anthea]

Unless the father is a drunk or a drug addict or a criminal or insane it is inhuman to cut him from the child's life . The problem is between you and the father and the child has nothing to do with it . In my view a half bad father/mother is better than not having father/mother .

http://www.fatherhood.org/media/consequ ... statistics

I studied child psychology along with educational psychology and with my own personal experience I have an extremely large pool of knowledge and expertise.

I left my husband because he was a control freak and I wanted to go to university. I am happy to tell you that we parted the best of friends and when he remarried I became close friends with his new wife. We used to have each other's door keys and our children grew up together. Unfortunately, this is seldom the case. Parents who part are generally bitter towards each other. Where children are involved they are very often used by one parent to get back at the other.

Most recent example I give here:
Lovely lady had to leave her drunken wife beating husband. Even though he had almost killed her she was determined to make sure that her boys only saw good in their father. The father used this and told his sons their mother had lots of boyfriends and she had left him for a young man. Untrue, the police had taken her to a women's safe house. The boys were far too young at the time to understand. The father never paid to support either his ex-wife or sons and the lived in poverty. The father had a new house, a new wife (who he also beat but she was too scared to tell the police), and gave the boys everything the poor mother could not. Eventually the father decided that he wanted his now young teenage boys to live with him. In the court the boys were asked who they wanted to live with, they chose their father simply because he bought they everything they wanted. The mother had a breakdown.

Over the years one of the worst problems I have seen is that when children are young they are a novelty for a father who might take his young child out for a day. Single male parents are women magnets. Rather akin to having a cute dog. A woman will feel safe to talk to a strange man if he has a cute baby with him.

However, when the child grows out of being cute and starts wanting things, or expects regular visits, things go downhill fast. Children are left looking out of windows waiting for fathers who have not bothered to turn up for regular visits. And as time goes on normally those visits become less regular. Children are left crying wondering what they have done wrong, and asking why daddy hates them. Almost as bad is the shouting and swearing between parents when the father does turn up. Then there are the parents who try to get the children to tell tales on the other parent and find out if the other parent has a new boyfriend or girlfriend.

I do not remember the figure off-hand but a very large percentage of divorced men totally lose contact with their children after 3 years. And a great many of those children blame themselves, it affects their entire lives.

If a man is a liar and lets down the mother as is the case with sadkurdlover, could he be trusted not to let down his daughter. I think not.

A child is for life not just for Christmas. If the father is a good person he should be encouraged to take part in his child's life. If past experience shows him not to be a good person then his visits should be limited to supervised visits on a regular basis. If a man keeps up regular visits then eventually, and only after he has proved himself to be reliable, should he be allowed unsupervised access.

[Shirko]

You sound like the Persians, lets face it, Kurds are also from Mesopotamia, the only thing that separates us from the others is that paternal linkage, I don't care it's a small fraction of one percent, because thousands of years ago, there was that first Kurdish man that we are related to, and millions of woman in between.

I'm not saying this because i love persians. It's reality though. I can show you the genetic information if you want.

Yes show me the genetic information please, because I think that people from Anatolia and the Lavent are more closely related to Kurds than many Iranians who have a Southern and Eastern Asian influence. And Kurds are more close in appearance, habits and traditions, like the dances and so on.

[SadKurdLover]

Thank you Anthea for speaking wisdom as usual in the midst of some nonsense. I wanted to show you photos,glad you've seen them, and have removed them now.

To the others who commented, no one, I repeat no one, needs to feel sorry for my child in any way and the father has not been cut out of our lives in any way. I find some of these views expressed quite arrogant and racist and I won't be joining in the debate further.

[Piling]

Don't worry about that, any serious specialist of genetics would laugh (or sigh) by reading how some people understand DNA… They sound like a bunch of post-nazis, so proud of their 'Pure Blood' lol, let these ignorants join Slytherin and be

[Anthea]

Thank you Anthea for speaking wisdom as usual in the midst of some nonsense. I wanted to show you photos,glad you've seen them, and have removed them now.

To the others who commented, no one, I repeat no one, needs to feel sorry for my child in any way and the father has not been cut out of our lives in any way. I find some of these views expressed quite arrogant and racist and I won't be joining in the debate further.

Such a cute baby

I hope that you are feeling more positive now - and I hope that you are getting on better with your parents - I am sure that they were just worried about you - nobody likes to see their child upset even when that child is over 20 years old

Babies are so helpless - all they need is love - I know you have lots of love to give or you would not have been so upset - I expect your little girl is delighted with her new baby

As for religion - I do not hold with any religious indoctrination of children - my children were not Christianed - I do not believe in all the Christian rubbish about original sin - there is absolutely nothing sinful about a baby

If you are a practising Christian and are already bringing up your daughter in the Christian faith then there is NO WAY you could bring up your new baby as a Muslim - that is bigioted rubbish - your children need to feel the same and be bought up in exactly the same way

Remember Mr Charm is most definately NOT a practising Muslim - I think we all know what he has been practising and it is not somethings he does in the Mosque on a Friday

Please keep in contact - find another subject you are interested in

Try to find somewhere else to live where there is a garden - you need a fresh start - your children need a fresh start - they need to live somewhere where nobody knows that they have different fathers - some children are very cruel - and sadly some adults are not very understanding

I think you are a lovely wonderful person - so many people nowadays would have had a termination - in my mind that is murder - I wish you every happiness

[SadKurdLover]

Thanks again Anthea...I seem to be thanking you all the time but you really have been so nice and kind and I appreciate it. I had tremendous pressure from all sides to terminate this baby, particularly from Mr Charm, but to my mind it is murder also, so could not and would not bring myself to do that. You are right that he is not a practising Muslim but is still insisting that the child be brought up as one putting this down to 'culture'. I do have objections to that. I have been a practising Christian but became somewhat lapsed, but my faith has helped me get through the last few months frankly and you're right I'm not going to teach one girl about Christianity and the other about Islam. None of this is going to go down well with you know who though.
You are right also about needing a garden, and I do hope to move and to find a suitable house for all 3 of us. I agree too that it would be better to start afresh where no one knows they have different dads, I really hope that this can come about.
I am feeling more positive, thanks. I still have a long way to go before my heart heals but I'm on the right road

[Anthea]

Please do not think you have to thank me thought it is very kind of you

Since the day that Mr Charm suggested you murder your innocent unborn baby - he has no moral right to any involvement - how would your baby feel if she ever discovered her father wanted her dead

You could bring both your girls up in different ways but do you really want them to look like this

[Shirko]

SadKurdlover, do not listen to Anthea, she is only here to troll and spam. Only if the father of this girl is a criminal, and a real bad person, should you keep his daughter away from him, and the girl should be raised as he wants, with sone comprising, a Kurdish and a Muslim (not saying that if he is extremist or something like that). or he might disown her and who else will care as much for her as her real father? I have been in this situation.

[Anthea]

SadKurdlover, do not listen to Anthea, she is only here to troll and spam. Only if the father of this girl is a criminal, and a real bad person, should you keep his daughter away from him, and the girl should be raised as he wants, with sone comprising, a Kurdish and a Muslim (not saying that if he is extremist or something like that). or he might disown her and who else will care as much for her as her real father? I have been in this situation.

Mr Charm is NOT here legally - he is a really bad person - and intends to return to Kurdistan

Please be realistic - SadKurdlover has 2 daughters - she should not bring one up as a Christian and one up as a Muslim

[Shirko]

SadKurdlover, do not listen to Anthea, she is only here to troll and spam. Only if the father of this girl is a criminal, and a real bad person, should you keep his daughter away from him, and the girl should be raised as he wants, with sone comprising, a Kurdish and a Muslim (not saying that if he is extremist or something like that). or he might disown her and who else will care as much for her as her real father? I have been in this situation.

Mr Charm is NOT here legally - he is a really bad person - and intends to return to Kurdistan

Please be realistic - SadKurdlover has 2 daughters - she should not bring one up as a Christian and one up as a Muslim

Yes she can raise them that way, why not? They are different and they have fathers, so they are not the same, what you want her to lie to the girl? And even if the guy is getting sent back or what ever, you do not have the right to decide her identity, sadkurdlover made that decision when she got pregnant, no one forced her to do it. What the hell, these are human beings not pets you are adopting.

This is why people like you have no real culture or origin, you are all a bunch mixed breeds, with no real identity. You raise animals as if they are humans, and you raise your children as if they are your pets. In 50 years, what state will your society be in?

[talsor]

I studied child psychology along with educational psychology and with my own personal experience I have an extremely large pool of knowledge and expertise.

you are an expert in everything Anthea . I thought you said that you do not have children of your own , but adopted a black child !!

I left my husband because he was a control freak and I wanted to go to university. I am happy to tell you that we parted the best of friends and when he remarried I became close friends with his new wife. We used to have each other's door keys and our children grew up together. Unfortunately, this is seldom the case. Parents who part are generally bitter towards each other. Where children are involved they are very often used by one parent to get back at the other.

You are as you mentioned multiple time a feminists , so you defy the norm .

Most recent example I give here:
Lovely lady had to leave her drunken wife beating husband. Even though he had almost killed her she was determined to make sure that her boys only saw good in their father. The father used this and told his sons their mother had lots of boyfriends and she had left him for a young man. Untrue, the police had taken her to a women's safe house. The boys were far too young at the time to understand. The father never paid to support either his ex-wife or sons and the lived in poverty. The father had a new house, a new wife (who he also beat but she was too scared to tell the police), and gave the boys everything the poor mother could not. Eventually the father decided that he wanted his now young teenage boys to live with him. In the court the boys were asked who they wanted to live with, they chose their father simply because he bought they everything they wanted. The mother had a breakdown.

Over the years one of the worst problems I have seen is that when children are young they are a novelty for a father who might take his young child out for a day. Single male parents are women magnets. Rather akin to having a cute dog. A woman will feel safe to talk to a strange man if he has a cute baby with him.

However, when the child grows out of being cute and starts wanting things, or expects regular visits, things go downhill fast. Children are left looking out of windows waiting for fathers who have not bothered to turn up for regular visits. And as time goes on normally those visits become less regular. Children are left crying wondering what they have done wrong, and asking why daddy hates them. Almost as bad is the shouting and swearing between parents when the father does turn up. Then there are the parents who try to get the children to tell tales on the other parent and find out if the other parent has a new boyfriend or girlfriend.

I do not remember the figure off-hand but a very large percentage of divorced men totally lose contact with their children after 3 years. And a great many of those children blame themselves, it affects their entire lives.

You had a bad experience in regard to marriage due to your feminist views , so frankly no one should take advice from you . No offence . I could go on and on and on about how bad some mothers are too and what would that prove ? Your views are just one sided . There are good men and good women .

If a man is a liar and lets down the mother as is the case with sadkurdlover, could he be trusted not to let down his daughter. I think not.


A child is for life not just for Christmas. If the father is a good person he should be encouraged to take part in his child's life. If past experience shows him not to be a good person then his visits should be limited to supervised visits on a regular basis. If a man keeps up regular visits then eventually, and only after he has proved himself to be reliable, should he be allowed unsupervised access.

Says who ? and why do you pass a judgment on someone you do not even know ? because he is a man ? . The relation between the man and his wife/girlfriend is totally different from his relation with his children and it is wrong to mix the two . Many people get divorced and separated Yet the children remain cared for by both parent .You said that yourself , yet you are encouraging this poor lady to raise the child by herself .

The idea of cutting the father or the mother from the child's life is inhuman to say the least and comes with plenty of consequences . To presume such and such and tell bad stories about bad events in relations does not make absolute truth . There is two sides to everything and where you failed , some might succeed .