are kurdish men faithful?

[Feyli_kord]

You state that I am spoiled and self-centred because I won't even iron a shirt - why should I be expected to?

I'm not saying you should become a homemaker or housewife. But if your husband needed you to iron a shirt or wash clothes or food. You wouldn't do that?

Any marriage should be a 50-50 relationship - many men expect their wives to do the cooking - cleaning - ironing of shirts etc - even if their wife is working - it is suppression - let the husbands iron the dresses

Many women expect men to act like their mules and wallet, yet they won't do shit in turn. You're the type who say they want 50/50, act like a bachelor male in their 20s, but wants to be treated like a queen.

[Anthea]

Many women expect men to act like their mules and wallet, yet they won't do shit in turn.

I will agree with you on that point

Something you might not have come across:

In England a couple may both work hard to provide a home for their family - or a man might provide the only income

If the couple separate the woman gets to keep the family home while their children are in full-time education - fair enough one might think BUT what it means is that the woman could have her lover living with her and the poor husband is still paying the mortgage to keep them in comfort as well as having to pay for a new home for himself - I think that is most unfair

[Feyli_kord]

Many women expect men to act like their mules and wallet, yet they won't do shit in turn.

I will agree with you on that point

Something you might not have come across:

In England a couple may both work hard to provide a home for their family - or a man might provide the only income

If the couple separate the woman gets to keep the family home while their children are in full-time education - fair enough one might think BUT what it means is that the woman could have her lover living with her and the poor husband is still paying the mortgage to keep them in comfort as well as having to pay for a new home for himself - I think that is most unfair

Even if it's the mans property and registered in his name?

[Anthea]

Even if it's the mans property and registered in his name?

YES if it is the family home the woman gets it for as long as the children are at school - as long as the husband has the money to pay the mortgage on the house while living in a one room he has to do so - as soon as the children leave school the hose may be sold and the money and husband gets half the money

[Piling]

Very different in France. All the goods buying after the marriage (except if they sign special dispositions) are in common and when they divorce they have to share at 50/50. So most of then sell the house, and go to live elsewhere.

Concerning the children, in most of cases they stay with the mother (in most of cases the father agrees and go to live with another woman while divorced women with children stay single). So the father has to pays for children's education, clothing, breeding, etc. 50/50 with the mother.

If she live with another man, it changes nothing, as in England. Law considers that the new man must not to pay for another man's children.

[Anthea]

What happens in Kurdistan if people divorce and is it any different in Turkey?

[Feyli_kord]

These laws need to change to account for womens new found economic independence.

[Piling]

What happens in Kurdistan if people divorce and is it any different in Turkey?

It depends on the country :
In Iraq under 7, children stayed with the mother, after, they belong to the father. But in fact it depends on the economical independence of the woman.

Normally, when a couple marry, the man has to give a sum of money to her wife. If there is divorce, she take the money with her.

There are always difference between laws and their application.

Divorce happen now in Kurdistan. One year, they were more numerous in Erbil than marriage. It means that women are becoming more independent or that the law agaisnt polygamy has an effect

[Feyli_kord]

Divorce happen now in Kurdistan. One year, they were more numerous in Erbil than marriage. It means that women are becoming more independent or that the law agaisnt polygamy has an effect

How typical, you're happy about the disintegration of the kurdish community and family. You'll be even happier when kurdistan in the future turns into a western theme park, built for western tourists.

[Piling]

Always mourning paranoid victim ?

I am not happy not unhappy. I don't care. That's just a fact, evolution of social behaviors.

Concerning the parks they have still begun to build them and not for Western but for Arab tourists. They enjoy that Dubai Park. Why Westerners should care of Kurdish Parks ? in USA or in Europe we have Disneyland. No need to go to Middle-East.

And Muslims did not wait Western to divorce, it is allowed in the Qoran. Allah told it, not UE.

[Feyli_kord]

Always mourning paranoid victim ?

Paranoid victim. I'm not victim nor am i paranoid. Those are empty labels by someone who is biased and blind. The poor people who don't understand what they're dealing with are victims.

You however have no self-insight, no concept of justice. Hence why you deny and dismiss anything the other side says, as paranoid self-vicitimization. Typical of westerners. Deny all responsbility, destroy others, do what they want, then deny responsbility and say that it's someone elses fault or that kind of behavior is universal. You're no different than turkish nationalists. Who killed millions of armenians, then say it didn't happen. Your country won't take responsbility for halabja, won't take responsbility for algerian and african massacres, won't take responsbility for racism and police violence in your own country.

But of course, they should have the right to lecture others about justice, tolerance ,democracy, human/womens right and anyone who questions them, is "Paranoid mourning victim". Only western opinions or pro-western opinions are valid. So typical, hypocrite westerner in self-denial. I can't even criticize the west, without being called empty labels like "paranoid self-mourning victim".

Please explain and show me one single time where i'm paranoid and self-victimizing? Show me one single instance where my reasoning fails.

I am not happy not unhappy. I don't care. That's just a fact, evolution of social behaviors.

You don't care, why are you involved with kurdistan and kurds? You always seem to not care. But somehow you still end up talking about kurds, kurdistan, KRG or writing about those subjects. It's just contradictory, don't you think?

Concerning the parks they have still begun to build them and not for Western but for Arab tourists. They enjoy that Dubai Park. Why Westerners should care of Kurdish Parks ? in USA or in Europe we have Disneyland. No need to go to Middle-East.

You didn't understand my overexaggerated satirical example. I meant that the west isn't happy until it makes its partners compliant with their ideology and their culture. Sort of like how USA and european countries do their outmost to secure western interests and to spread their own ideology(Democracy, Secularism, etc). I don't think that's "paranoid", you're either blind or stupid, if you think that's paranoid. It's been done for years now.

And Muslims did not wait Western to divorce, it is allowed in the Qoran. Allah told it, not UE.

You're right, but this trend isn't getting a qu'ranic inspiration. KRG is known to be bitch for the USA/UE and their political platforms like UN. Because they think that USA/UE will give them immunity.

[SadKurdLover]

@ SadKurdLover

I hope that you and baby are both doing well

I sincerely hope that you are relaxing and looking forward to giving birth to a lovely healthy bouncing baby

REMEMBER

No stress
No worries
No arguments
No listening to lies
No contact with Mr Charm
No making any important decisions

It is VERY important that you see this baby as a bundle of joy - loving companion for your daughter - another grandchild for your parents to spoil

For now forget everything and everyone else - your world is just you - your lovely baby - your lovely daughter - your doting parents - nothing and no-one else matters

My continued love and best wishes to you all

Thanks very much Anthea. I have managed to shut that particular door today, no more listening to nonsense or lies, and definitely not making important decisions other than the one to keep him far away. I am trying to focus now purely on baby's arrival and to take it easy.

[Anthea]

I have managed to shut that particular door today, no more listening to nonsense or lies, and definitely not making important decisions other than the one to keep him far away. I am trying to focus now purely on baby's arrival and to take it easy.

Good for you

I expect you were very excited when you had your first baby - I know that you parents would have been - when you first held your baby you must have been tearful, joyful and a little sad at the same time

Second time is easier GRUNT SQUEEZE and out she will pop

Once you hold your new baby all your worries will vanish

Please post photos

[SadKurdLover]

Yes it was with my first as you describe. I was very sad to be doing it alone and I know that I will probably feel the same way this time, but I hope to be excited once I hold her and she's safely here.

Mr Charm has once again been beyond the pale in his behaviour and I'm at the stage now where I'm thinking if it was in a book you'd never believe it, you literally couldn't make it up.

Yes photos will follow x

[Anthea]

Yes it was with my first as you describe. I was very sad to be doing it alone and I know that I will probably feel the same way this time, but I hope to be excited once I hold her and she's safely here.

Mr Charm has once again been beyond the pale in his behaviour and I'm at the stage now where I'm thinking if it was in a book you'd never believe it, you literally couldn't make it up.

Yes photos will follow x

Once I actually saw a baby born - I watched it come out - it was the most thrilling experience of my life - apart from when I had my own children - something I will never forget

Sorry Mr Charm has not left you in peace - perhaps he thinks you will weaken - you must not weaken not now - not so close to the birth

Have you found someone to talk to - I suggested the Samaritans because they are trained listeners and make good cups of tea - you could make an appointment and meet someone at their office for a chat - a chance for you to let your emotions out - you probably hold back in front of your parents and friends - the pressure is building you need to let off steam and find a stranger with a sympathetic ear