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Re: Pre-Indoiranian Words in Kurdish

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:40 pm

Johny English wrote:Iranian "mésh" for "sheep" can be from Akkadian "mash" 'goat'.


iranian or kurdish alone?
we say meh

what is with "here" for "go"?
we say bice u here, are both indoeuropiän?

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Re: Pre-Indoiranian Words in Kurdish

PostAuthor: Johny English » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:06 pm

General Iranian, in Persian mísh, in Zazaki méshe.

Herre comes from "herro" (see the turkish idiom "ya herro ya merro" which is loaned from an older form of Kurmanji)

bice comes from bico (there are still dialects they use it), in Zazaki "sho!", Caspian "bisho!".

You can trace cún until to IE, "he-ro" < ron < *rew- < reften goes until to Old Aryan.
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Re: Pre-Indoiranian Words in Kurdish

PostAuthor: Zert » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:52 pm

Ancient Vocabulary in Kurdish

Scythian


1.  (awawos) - Kurd. ebaboz “thief” is suitable for anthroponimic good.
2.  (awlo:nakos) - Kurd. eble ”fool” and nekes “miserable”. A good junction for anthroponimics.
3.  (awroagos) - Kurd. ebro “eyebrow”, agos “furrow” (can be “wrinkle”); Chuv. upran ”to look after” and aka “tillage”.
4.  (adzos) - Kurd. aciz ”weak” or aza “free”; Chuv. uçă open”.
 (argimpatoi) - Kurd. erqem “number” and feda ”sacrifice”; Chuv. arkan “to break” and păta stick”.
5.  (ardagdakos) - Osset. ardar “leader”, Kurd. elder “leader” and dek “slyness”; Turkic languages give many other possibilities of translation, e.g. Chuv. artak “delight” and tăkăs “sour”, urtar “to anger”; com. Turkic ortaq (Chuv vărtăх) „a friend” and dyqyz (Chuv tăkăs „close, tight”), or artyq „great” и dağ „mountain”.
6.  (ardarakos) – Osset. ardar “leader”, Kurd. elder “leader”, ardû “wood” and req “dry”. Arm ardaraxos „truthful”.
7.  (asaros) - Osset. a and sær “headless”, Kurd. hesar “fence”.
8.  (aspamithareos) - com. Ir. asp(a) “horse”, and Kurd. metha “prais” and rewe “herd”.
9.  (auasios) – com. Ir. ovoz “voice”, Kurd. ĥewas “sense”, “sensitive”.
10.  (auloudzelmis) - Kurd. hewil “help”or ewlî “holy” and zelam “man”.
11.  (aulou-poris) - Kurd. ewlî “holy”, por “hair”.
12.  (wadzos) - com. Ir. bazu “arm”, “wing”; Chuv. puç “head” vyçǎ “hunger”.
13. -  (walos) - Kurd. bala “top”; Chuv. vulă “trunk, stem”; OE wala, walu „stick”.
14.  (wendzei) - Osset. bindzæ “bee”, Kurd. banz “jump”.
15.  (wessa) - Kurd. beş „part, share“, or bes „sufficent“, or bəş “tribute”, or bêşe “small wood, forest”; Chuv. pěçě „thigh“ věç “finish”, OE wiss “sure, trustly”.
16.  (witou) - Kurd. beta „to vanish“; Chuv. pětev ”body”, “amulet”.
17.  (wiste:s) - Kurd. bistî “stalk” or bista “trusty” or bista “lover”.
18.  (wolas) - Kurd., Pers. etc bolo “top”; Chuv. pulu “gingerbread”.
19.  (boudzas) - Kurd. boz “grey”, bûz “ice”; Chuv. puç “head”.
 (germanos) - com. Ir. garm/germ “warm”;
20.  (geros) - Kurd. gewr “grey”;
21.  (gola) - Kurd. gol “dog”, gole “senior herdsman”, Osset. gal “ox, bull”;
22. ’ (dada) - com. Ir. dada “father”;
23.  (dandaksarthon) - com. Ir. dandon “tooth and Kurd. şert ”agreement”; Chuv. šărt “oath”. The root  is fixed in epigraphics in North region of the Black Sea. Kurd. şert ”agreement” and Chuv. šărt “oath” coincides to it good phoneticly. It is interesting that an oath for tooth, words “I give the tooth” and a suitable gesture are present in criminal and even in children world nowadays. However the Kurdish word can be borrowed from Arabic. Compare .
24.  (daou) – Kurd. daw “tail”; Chuv. tav 1. “gratitude”, 2. “dispute”;
25.  (diagoras) - Kurd. dia “blessing” and gor “grave, tomb”;
26.  (didumoksarthos) - Kurd. didan “tooth” (com. Ir. dandon) and şert ”condition”; Chuv. tytăm “control, management” and šărt “oath”. Although such word is also in Arabic (šart „condition”) Compare .
27.  (didza) - Kurd. diz “thief”;
28.  (didza-dzelmis) - Kurd. diz “thief” and zelam “man’;
29.  (didzarou) - Kurd. diz “thief” and rûvi “fox”;
30.  (dindou) - ir. din (Kurd. dîn) “faith”; better Chuv. těn “faith” and tav “gratitude”;
31.  (dome:o:) - Kurd. dûmayî “remains”;
32.  (doridzou) - Kurd. dor “circle”; Chuv. tură “god” and çăva “cemetery, Chuv. tări “lark” and çu “summer”.
33.  (doulas) - Kurd. dol “ravine”;.
34.  (eisgoudiou) - Kurd. e’yş “joy, spree, fun” and qude “proud”; Chuv. ěç “work” and kut “ass”; OE īs “ice”, gōd “good”.
35.  (ergino) - Kurd. erk “job, matter” and îna “faith”; Chuv. er “to tie”and küme “truck”;
36.  (dzadzous) - Kurd. zaza(n) – Kurdish tribe;
37.  (dzaldzou) - Kurd. zal “old” and zo “cord; Chuv. çulça “leaf”;.
38.  (dzeilas) - Kurd. zeyle (zehle) “pester”.
39.  (zinna) - Kurd. zîn “saddle” and nav “girdle”; Chuv. çěn ‘to win”;
40.  (dzoure:) - com. Ir. zor/zur “force”; Chuv. çyră “light-brown”.
41.  (dzo:pura) - Kurd. zopir “great”; Chuv. çupărla “to embrace”;
42.  (dzo:purion) - see previous;
43.  (dzo:rsanos) - Ir zor/zur “strength, force”; Chuv. çur 1. “spring-time”, 2. “half” . 3. “to tear”, sǎn “face”, sǎnǎ “spear”, sun “to want”.
44. Išpakai (Scythian king or war-lord in Assyrian sources) – this name is a serious argument for Iranian origin of Scythians however it could not stem out of Ir aspa „a horse”, but out of Ir spaka „a dog”. One can find in Turkic languages some variants of explanation of the word but it really could have Iranian origin. Maybe Cimmerians named their enemy by such scornful name “a dog”.
45.  (kardious) – different explanations are possible - Kurd. kerdî “furrow”; Chuv. kǎrt ”few”, xurt “worm”; Gr  “heart”.
46.  (karsa) - Kurd. kerş “wood chips, splinters”; Chuv. xyrçă “spine”;
47.  (kamasarue:s)- Kurd. kam , Osset. and other ir. kom „desipe, wish“; com. Ir. sar “head”; better Chuv. kăm “ashes“ and ără “grey”.
48.  (ma) - Kurd. max “source”; Chuv. may ”side” or măy “neck”;
49.  (madzis, madzas) - Kurd. maze “axis” or mazî “splinter”; better Lit mažas, Let mazs “small”;
50.  (maito:nion) - com ir. maidan “place, stand’.
51.  (me:sakou) - Kurd. maşaq “beloved”;
52.  (mostion) - com. Ir. mast “drunk” or “bitter”;
53.  (olgasus) - Kurd. olk 1. “province” 2. army”; Chuv alka “ear-ring”.
54.  (owarga-dakos) - Kurd. warge “place, stand” and deq “plane, smooth”;
55.  (ovaradzakon) – “a beaten tramp” (Afg avāra, Tal awərə, Kurd. êperо etc “tramp, vagabond”, com. Ir čak- “to beat”)
56.  (pane:ios) - Kurd. pene ”secret”;
57.  (panias) - see previous;
58.  (pateiros) - Ir pata/pada “foot”, Kurd êrîş „footstep”.
 (pistou) - Kurd. pist ”error, miss”;
59.  (pourthake:s),  (pourtauos) - Os fyrt “son”, Kurd. purt “hair”and Tal. taka “billy-goat”; Chuv. purtă “axe” and aka “ancient plough”;
60.  (purre)- - Kurd. pûr “pheasant”;
61.  (re:skouporis) - com. Ir. rişk “louse”, “nit” and Kurd. por “hair”;
62.  (roume:talkas) - Kurd. rûmet “cheek” and elk “glutton”;
63.  (sabada) - Pers. sabad, Afg. savada, Yag., Yazg. sabat, Kurd. sepet “basket; Chuv. săpat “face”;
64.  (sabo:dakos) - perhaps as previous;
65.  (seavagou) - Kurd. seav “otter”, se “a dog”, waq “sense, feeling”.
66.  (seuthou) - Kurd. sewt “loud”or sewda “mind, reson”;
 (basileus skilouros) - Kurd. şilor “plum”;
67.  (sturakos) - Kurd. stûr, Osset. styr, sutur and other Iranian “great, strong, thick”;
68.  (sturanos) - see previous;
69.  (taroulou) - com. Ir. tar/tor “dark” and Kurd. law “child”;
70.  (a tribe on the north of Scythia, mentioned by Herodotus,)Thyrsagetae, according to Valerius Flaccus – Abayev explained the name as “quick deer” (Pers, Kurd tūr “ardent”, Os sag “deer”). One can pay attention that morpheme getai/ketai is present in some people names ( , , ). Beside this, Thracian tribes are known too. We can conjecture that this word means “people”. The most near on meaning is Chuv kĕtü “herd, flock, crowd”. The Thissagetae means “furious people” (OE đyssa “ruffian”). If the form of Valerius Flaccus is more correct, what is possible as it correspond the name  (see), then Thyrsagetae – “the people of giants or sorcerers” (OE đyrs „giant, demon, sorcerer”).
71.  (pourtheiou), (pourtauos) - Kurd. purt “hair”; Chuv. purtă “axe”, OE furđor “forward”.
72.  (sadaiou) - Os sädä “hundred”; Cuv sut “to sell” and ujav “holiday”; Kurd sade, Afg sada “easy”; OE sāda “string”, iow “yew”.

Hittite and Hurrian

Hittite: Bread: Ninda
Sorani (all Iranic languages really): Bread: Nan

Hittite: Anger: Sawar
Sorani: Angry/Anger: Zawîr/Zwer

PIE: Field, acre: Agro-s
Sorani: Earth: Arz

Hurrian: -ta (various meanings)
Sorani: ta (various meanings, including to)

Hurrian: Parzani/Barzani (a deity)
Sorani: Barzani

Hittite: kalmara - Mountain; Hill
Sorani: kal کهل - Mountain Pass

Hittite: daru - tree; wood
Sorani: dâr دار - tree; wood; staff, rod, stick

Hittite: Arma - Moon; Month
Sorani: Kharmâna - Halo around the moon
Kharmanân - the month of Virgo (August 23–September 22)
Mang - Moon; Month

Hittite: Haster - Star
Sorani: Astera - Star

Sorani: Sar سهر - Head
Hittite: Harsar – Head

Doubtful:

Hittite: Istanu/Astanu - Sun
Sorani: Tâwistân - Summer

Hittite: War - Burn
Sorani: Âwir – Fire

Sorani: Garû گهروو - Neck, Throat
Hittite: Kapru - may mean Nose or Throat

Sorani: Qurg قورگ - Throat
Hittite: Hurhurta - Throat

Sorani: Pe پ - Foot
Hittite: Pata - Foot

Sorani: Qutân نc قو Qute- ì قو - to Beat, Strike, Hit
Hittite: Kuen - Kill

Sorani: Marez - Sick, Ill
Hittite: Arma(n)-, ...- Illness
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Re: Pre-Indoiranian Words in Kurdish

PostAuthor: Bestoun » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:45 pm

Mezin - Mega?
Gewre - Gigantus?

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