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Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:31 am

in the other topic someone sayd, sorani is hawrami with kurmanci influence or conversely.
could this be?, can someone give some examples that support this possibility.

i ask because i always had the feel- no logical reason :-D - that there is a similiarity between hawrami and sorani (idiom),

very complicate our kurdish language
:-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?

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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:32 am

I think there are only loanwords in Sorani from Hewrami, its Kurmanci language. ts like Feyli is a Gorani language with Persian loanwords.
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: Johny English » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm

It is impossible to prove if the grammer of Sorani is influenced too, because there are no historical evidences. But one can proves by the loud rules which words are adapted from Hawrami.

As example:
hewt, kewtin, ziwan, ciwar
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:26 pm

Johny English wrote:It is impossible to prove if the grammer of Sorani is influenced too, because there are no historical evidences. But one can proves by the loud rules which words are adapted from Hawrami.

As example:
hewt, kewtin, ziwan, ciwar


do you speak sorani?
what do you think, loudly there is big similarity when i hear sorani, but maybe its imagination

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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: Johny English » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:17 pm

The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki. 8)
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:03 pm

Johny English wrote:The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki. 8)

We say 'Xereke' aswell for the Donkey, I think Laki is very close to Hewrami.

Do you say 'Dirin' for they have in Hewrami?
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: Johny English » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:35 pm

jjmuneer wrote:
Johny English wrote:The definite-building as example is the same:

Sorani:
ker = donkey, ker-eke = the donkey

Hawrami:
xer = donkey, xer-eke = the donkey

PS: No, I speak Zazaki. 8)

We say 'Xereke' aswell for the Donkey, I think Laki is very close to Hewrami.

Do you say 'Dirin' for they have in Hewrami?


I don't speak Hawrami, my tongue is Zazaki. But I will research. ;)
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:47 pm

Its actually 'Xwauyan dirin', thank you.
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:29 pm

hevalo27 wrote:in the other topic someone sayd, sorani is hawrami with kurmanci influence or conversely.
could this be?, can someone give some examples that support this possibility.

i ask because i always had the feel- no logical reason :-D - that there is a similiarity between hawrami and sorani (idiom),

very complicate our kurdish language
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It was me who said this and historically and linguistically this is true. The grammatic of Sorani is most similar to Hawrami. And also most Sorani areas today where once Hawrami speaking and Sorani developed after some Kurmanci (Badinani) speakers moved into these areas. So basically Sorani= Hawrami + Kurmanci influence.

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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:01 am

jj what does dirim means in Feyli ??
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:57 am

alan131210 wrote:jj what does dirim means in Feyli ??


dîrim means I have. persian darem.

"he" in kurmanc and sorani, "hen" in hewrami "est" in zazaki.
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:18 am

i have is "heme" :-D in Sorani
he/she has it = "heyetî"
they have = "Heyane"
you have it = "hete"
i had it = "hem bû"
they had it = "heyan bû"
he/she had it = "hey bû"
i will have it = "em bê"
he/she will have it = "ey bê"
they will have it = "eyan bê"
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:30 am

alan131210 wrote:i have is "heme" :-D in Sorani



hmm ok, how would you say example "we have"? "heman" or "heyîn"?

"heme" in kurmanci means something like "i am" or "i am there/here". In kurmanci and zazaki there are no real translate for "i have" but you can say:

keçek/dotek min heye / i have a daughter
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Re: Sorani = Hawrami with kurmanci influence????

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:14 pm

kurd-sthanam wrote:
alan131210 wrote:i have is "heme" :-D in Sorani



hmm ok, how would you say example "we have"? "heman" or "heyîn"?

"heme" in kurmanci means something like "i am" or "i am there/here". In kurmanci and zazaki there are no real translate for "i have" but you can say:

keçek/dotek min heye / i have a daughter


no "we have" is "hemane" :-D and yes in sorani you can say "i have" alone which i posted above .
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