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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:44 pm

14/06/2012 15:19

ERBIL, June 14 (AKnews) - The spokesman for the Kurdish List in the region's parliament said today that there is no bill in the parliament on adoption of a unified Kurdish language, adding that a united official language is needed.

Aso Karim said: "The law of languages is found in countries that include more than one official language, but here in the region there are the official Arabic and Kurdish languages and other national languages for other parts of the Kurdish community, such as Turkmen, Syriac and Armenian.

"We need a unified official language and this needs time to bring the views and standardize the vocabulary and prepare for this issue. And there is a big mess also in the spread in billboards and commercial banners in different languages on the roads and streets and they need organization."

The head of the Kurdistan Region Massoud Barzani called for the need to work to adopt a united Kurdish language like the Arabic language which brings together many nations and dialects, considering it as one of the basic elements needed for the presence of any nation.

Last summer Erbil held the first scientific conference on Kurdish language in the presence of dozens of experts and specialists. The event was sponsored by the Kurdistan Regional Government and issued recommendations calling for the unification of Kurdish language and the formation of specialized committees to follow up the recommendations.

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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: brendar » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:12 pm

They are currently working on it and this will not be done in a matter of days. It will take atleast a few years because we are talking about Kurdistan and Kurdish language. So it will need to include all the dialects altogether mixed. However, this needs experts from all four parts plus other countries like britain and USA to help us in creating a structure, as there has never an official kurdish langugae.
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:15 pm

Yes agreed, I am really worried that Pahlawani speakers will be put to the side. Is there anything about the old Kurdish langauge?
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:20 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Yes agreed, I am really worried that Pahlawani speakers will be put to the side. Is there anything about the old Kurdish langauge?


Hope it will be realy anything.

The old kurdish language will be little far from the kurdish most will understand. the proto-kurdish language was proably closer to hewrami and zazaki. and dividing kurdish languages in two groups in "pehlewani" and "kurmanji" is wrong. because no hawrami and zazaki kurd call their language pehlewani. and the feyli language is not closer to zazaki and hewrami, its closer to kurmanji and sorani.

so I bet, it will be Kurmanji-sorani-feyli dominated or only kurmanji-sorani.
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:08 pm

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jjmuneer wrote:Yes agreed, I am really worried that Pahlawani speakers will be put to the side. Is there anything about the old Kurdish langauge?


Hope it will be realy anything.

The old kurdish language will be little far from the kurdish most will understand. the proto-kurdish language was proably closer to hewrami and zazaki. and dividing kurdish languages in two groups in "pehlewani" and "kurmanji" is wrong. because no hawrami and zazaki kurd call their language pehlewani. and the feyli language is not closer to zazaki and hewrami, its closer to kurmanji and sorani.

so I bet, it will be Kurmanji-sorani-feyli dominated or only kurmanji-sorani.

What are you talking about man? Fayli is pretty close to the old Parthian language. Just go onto Kurdistanca and see for yourself. Trust me even ask Kak Alan he even said it difficult for him to understand Kurd Fayli when they speak their dialect in Khanaqin region.
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:11 pm

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Btw Laks and Khalors and Lors are also Fayli/Pahli speakers.
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:01 pm

jjmuneer wrote:What are you talking about man? Fayli is pretty close to the old Parthian language. Just go onto Kurdistanca and see for yourself.


Ok. If you mean Feyli, Kelhor, Lek kurds by pehlewani than ok i misunderstood. some call mostly this language group for "South kurdish", where central kurdish is sorani, and northern kurdish is kurmanci.

North
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South

Hewrami
Zazaki


What i would mean is, that the first three dialect groups and the last two are forming 2 families of kurdish languages/dialects. so feyli family is closer to kurmanci and sorani.

jjmuneer wrote:Trust me even ask Kak Alan he even said it difficult for him to understand Kurd Fayli when they speak their dialect in Khanaqin region.


its normal sometimes, my local kurmanci is also different from kurmanci (or badini), that they fail to understand us when we speak fluently. but we can understand better than them. example we say "tewêm" for "i say" they say "dibêjim".

just for curiosity... who is these european men you sometimes use for avatar?
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:05 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Btw Laks and Khalors and Lors are also Fayli/Pahli speakers.


do lors not speak persian?
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:24 pm

kurd-sthanam wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Btw Laks and Khalors and Lors are also Fayli/Pahli speakers.


do lors not speak persian?

The ones in Luristan sadly do so, but I shouldn't generalise, because there are some that aren't really influenced by Persians in Luristan. There are actually also Faylis in Luristan.
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:25 pm

kurd-sthanam wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:What are you talking about man? Fayli is pretty close to the old Parthian language. Just go onto Kurdistanca and see for yourself.


Ok. If you mean Feyli, Kelhor, Lek kurds by pehlewani than ok i misunderstood. some call mostly this language group for "South kurdish", where central kurdish is sorani, and northern kurdish is kurmanci.

North
Central
South

Hewrami
Zazaki


What i would mean is, that the first three dialect groups and the last two are forming 2 families of kurdish languages/dialects. so feyli family is closer to kurmanci and sorani.

jjmuneer wrote:Trust me even ask Kak Alan he even said it difficult for him to understand Kurd Fayli when they speak their dialect in Khanaqin region.


its normal sometimes, my local kurmanci is also different from kurmanci (or badini), that they fail to understand us when we speak fluently. but we can understand better than them. example we say "tewêm" for "i say" they say "dibêjim".

just for curiosity... who is these european men you sometimes use for avatar?


For I say, we say 'Ajim'. It is very similar. Wait but aren't Gorani Speakers also Fayli? As Fayli is sometimes classed as as Gorani language sometimes.
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PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:13 am

jjmuneer wrote:Wait but aren't Gorani Speakers also Fayli? As Fayli is sometimes classed as as Gorani language sometimes.


If you mean Hewrami no,

Kurds are kurds, no feyli or soran. these are dialects.
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PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:28 am

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jjmuneer wrote:Wait but aren't Gorani Speakers also Fayli? As Fayli is sometimes classed as as Gorani language sometimes.


If you mean Hewrami no,

Kurds are kurds, no feyli or soran. these are dialects.

I know thats what I mean. When I say Fayli there are two meanings, the dailect and the clan which sub-divides. I'm sure Goranis have alot in common with Faylis since they have been in close proximity with us.
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PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:40 am

I've actually checked it ut, Fayli and Gorani are much closerr lingstuically compared to Sorani. Not just in terms of words but in the way we pronounce our words. I don't really know hwo to explain it though in terms of accent.
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PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:06 pm

jjmuneer wrote:I've actually checked it ut, Fayli and Gorani are much closerr lingstuically compared to Sorani. Not just in terms of words but in the way we pronounce our words. I don't really know hwo to explain it though in terms of accent.


if you mean hewrami by gorani than no, sorani is closer to hewrami in gramatic. sorani has big hewrami influence. hewrami and zazaki are one family. kurmanji, feyli, sorani are other family. can you post a link?
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Re: Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:26 pm

kurd-sthanam wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:I've actually checked it ut, Fayli and Gorani are much closerr lingstuically compared to Sorani. Not just in terms of words but in the way we pronounce our words. I don't really know hwo to explain it though in terms of accent.


if you mean hewrami by gorani than no, sorani is closer to hewrami in gramatic. sorani has big hewrami influence. hewrami and zazaki are one family. kurmanji, feyli, sorani are other family. can you post a link?

I don't have one, I just remember seeing it. I know they are one family, but I'm just saying Feyli is probably closer to Hewrami than Sorani, just listen to dialects yourself.
Here are the only videos I could find of feyli kurds speaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeMqBZM3j8M&feature=plcp
In this video only the man in white with glasses is speaking fayli: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi6nUlrkDw0&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCj_-AIiLCU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx4rVR3JsHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbT9nd7Iu68
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