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Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:51 pm
Author: Johny Bravo
@emanoel

You know, that the most of your example are do exist in other iranian languages. They are no argument to declare Zazaki as Kurdish. The most important thing is to can communicate. You can speak about "kurdish languages", but zazaki, kurmanji and hawrami are not dialects of the same language.

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:01 pm
Author: Diri
Johny Bravo wrote:@emanoel

You know, that the most of your example are do exist in other iranian languages. They are no argument to declare Zazaki as Kurdish. The most important thing is to can communicate. You can speak about "kurdish languages", but zazaki, kurmanji and hawrami are not dialects of the same language.



I think we all agree that Zazakî and Kurdmancî are not mutually intelligeble... Just as Hewramî and Kurdmancî are not mutually intelligeble...

But I wonder if Zazakî and Hewramî speakers would understand eachother... Athough from what I have heard Hewramî spoken - it sounds different to Zazakî...

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:04 pm
Author: Johny Bravo
@Diri

Who of the Zazas say that Hawrami is understandable? Hawrami is Zazaki so close as Kurmanji, Hawrami is a total different langauge.

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:43 pm
Author: Diri
Johny Bravo wrote:@Diri

Who of the Zazas say that Hawrami is understandable? Hawrami is Zazaki so close as Kurmanji, Hawrami is a total different langauge.



:lol:

Brother - please read what I say... And if you're surprised about something - you probably misunderstood...

I didn't say any Zazas said that they understand Hewramî...

I pondered "I wonder..." if Zazakî and Hewramî are mutually intelligeble... It was a question of my inner thoughts... Not a statement! :wink:

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:36 pm
Author: Johny Bravo
bike! : bike! : do!

farsi:bekon!

berz bike : berz bike : lift!

balochi: burz

bide! : bide! : give!

farsi: bede

binûse : binûse : write!

farsi: nashta bekon

rast binûse : rast binûse : write correctly!

farsi: rast nashta bekon

biço! : bişo! : go!

it is not "bisho", it is only "sho".
gileki: bisho

ez : ez : I

talysh: ez

roj/roc : roje/roce/roze : sun

talysh: ruj

mang : menge : month

farsi: mah

hewr : hewr : cloud

farsi: hebr

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qirr kirdin : qirr kerdene : massacre

turkish. kirmak / qirmak

ziman/ziwan : ziwan/zon : language

gilekI: zivan

sûr : sûr : red

farsi: sorx (qermez is arabic)

sipî : sipê : white

balochi: isipet

befr/wefr/bewr : vewre : snow

sangesari: varf

bawk/piyar : bawk/pî : father/dad

farsi: pîdar / pedar

dayik/mak : dayik/maye : mother/mom

farsi: madar

bira : bira : brother

farsi: brader, gileki: abrar

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me- : me- : negative

meke : meke : don’t do!
mede : mede : don’t give!

this is in standard kurmanji not so.

kûtre : kûtre : where

zazaki: kotî (NOT kutre), kumca, cha
farsi: kunca


didu : didi : two

farsi: do

çar/çwar : çar : four

farsi: c har

pênc : panc : five

farsi: panc

şeş : şeş : six

farsi: shash

heft/hewt : hewt : seven

farsi: haft

heşt/heyşt : heşt/heyşt : eight

farsi: hasht

neh/now : new : nine

farsi: nah

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bîst/wîst : vîst : twenty

farsi: bîst

set/se : se : hundred

farsi: sed

hezar : hezar : thousand

farsi: hazar

nû/noy/new : newe : new

farsi: no

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merdim : merdim : people

kurdish: mirov
farsi: mardom

camêrd : camerd : man

in kurdish there is no camerd, ist is : mer
farsi: mard

dan/dayîn : dayene : to give

farsi. dadan

firran/firrîn : firrnayene : to fly

farsi: pirwaz.
in zazaki there is also: perayene

mirîşk/kerg : kerge : hen

mazandarani: kerg

aw/av : awe : water

gileki: av

gûnd/dê : de/deĝa : village

farsi: deh (also afghan persian know "deh")

pird : pird : bridge

farsi: pul, english: bridghe
:lol:


kenîşk/kene : kêne : girl

kurdish: kich!, turkish: kiz
:lol:


zava/zama : zama : bridegroom

balochi: zamad

ban/key/mal : ban/keye : home

why do you use examples they do only 10-20 soran use because of hawrami influence??
kurdish house: mal and xani!

fehm kirdin : fehm kerdene : to understand

farsi: fahmidan. fahm is arabic
8)

-ê/-a : -ê/-a : masculine/feminine

also arabs know feminin and masculin.

eşîret-a Mutkî : eşîret-a Mutkî : Mutkî tribe

turkish: ashiret

bidoşe! : bidoşe! : milk!

fasrsi: Dûşiden = to milk
beshîd = milk

emanuel, do you believe that we are stupid? why are 90% of your examples words they are also exist in other languages?

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:24 pm
Author: Emanoelkurdistani
binûse : binûse : write!

farsi: nashta bekon

rast binûse : rast binûse : write correctly!

farsi: rast nashta bekon


hewr : hewr : cloud

farsi: hebr


bira : bira : brother

farsi: brader, gileki: abrar

Code: Select all
me- : me- : negative

meke : meke : don’t do!
mede : mede : don’t give!

this is in standard kurmanji not so.

kûtre : kûtre : where

zazaki: kotî (NOT kutre), kumca, cha
farsi: kunca


didu : didi : two

farsi: do

çar/çwar : çar : four

farsi: c har

heft/hewt : hewt : seven

farsi: haft

heşt/heyşt : heşt/heyşt : eight

farsi: hasht

neh/now : new : nine

farsi: nah


nû/noy/new : newe : new

farsi: no



pird : pird : bridge

farsi: pul, english: bridghe
:lol:


-ê/-a : -ê/-a : masculine/feminine

also arabs know feminin and masculin.

eşîret-a Mutkî : eşîret-a Mutkî : Mutkî tribe

turkish: ashiret

bidoşe! : bidoşe! : milk!

fasrsi: Dûşiden = to milk
beshîd = milk

emanuel, do you believe that we are stupid? why are 90% of your examples words they are also exist in other languages?[/quote]


It seems we are wasting time. Sorry if I tried to discuss in a logical and scientific manner with you! These are my last words to you. And about your question, your last post, especially those parts that I have stressed, illustrates if you are stupid or not!

Re: Similarities between Kurdmanci, Farsi and Zazaki

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:00 pm
Author: Johny Bravo
@emanoel

i fixed now all mistakes that you said. thank you for all. if you find another mistakes, then post it here please.

http://www.erani.tk < with better design und few new words