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Which Kurdish Script is better?

Kurdish Version of Arabic Script
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none of them , we need to make a new script.
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This is not a question of Arabic script or a Latin script!

PostAuthor: Binyamin » Thu May 26, 2005 12:02 pm

Dear all,

One thing we should all know, that our science and social structure would not shape if the critical nature of human mind did not exist. What you all trying to pass cross in your messages is a ridged non-declared information. None of the pioneers of the Kurdish coding system actually ever admitted that what they achieved was perfect. None of them did have a linguistic background. Simply what they did it was respond to a vacuum which could shape the Kurdish struggle for national and political right after fall of Ottoman Empire in the period of 1917 to 1930. As Turks and Arab put it, "the Kurdish is not a language they do not even know how to write it. They should not have the right to self rule as they can not take care of the ruling system". Tewfiq Wehbi as officer of army master speaker of 8 languages, and J. Bedir Xan an educated Journalist did what they felt was right at that time. Then Kurds has been in fight since ever and the last thing they did want to think about was Language.

But Jeladet Bedir Xan had a better prespetive after all when he said "As I have noted before, the Kurdish nation will converge via a unified Kurdish language. The prerequisite of a unified Kurdish language is a unified Kurdish alphabet. This means that the Kurdish scholars and the literati need to develop a writing system that allows all speakers hailing from every Kurdish dialect to use that writing system." in 1931

This is not a question of Arabic script or a Latin script (The root of both is the same “Phoenician Alphabet” http://phoenicia.org/alphabet.html). It is not a question of Islam or Christianity. It is simply the question of Kurdish as a language, as aim of communication between all Kurdish speakers and standardisation of writing Kurdish as one unified language, and not a jungle of different alphabets. Now we need to understand other dialects and Speak Kurdish (not only one dialect form our local area). We need to understand the nature of our language.
We need to understand what is it we need to do to make it functional and adjustable with the linguistic standard of the world so our language becomes recognised for us and for others? One need to see this from a kid's perspective at the age of five who is trying to learn the writing in Kurdish for the first time, and not compare the solution with ourselves age over 15. No education plan is implemented this way. The world is changing and we need all the help we can get to make our language functional for all Kurdish speakers as quickly as we can. The writing Kurdish has not got far compares with other languages and we still have room to do many changes. Please read further at http://www.KurdishAcademy.org

Try to explore; may be we all can start to use the language as a tool of communication and enhance our culture and literature instead of using it as a weapon against our enemies.

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This is not a question of Arabic script or a Latin script!

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PostAuthor: Binyamin » Thu May 26, 2005 12:20 pm

Diri wrote:Off course we should use the LATIN script... Because:

1) Kurdish is a "Indo-european" language...
2) Kurds are Arians so are most of Europeans
3) Europeans can read the Latin Script
4) It will be easy to adapt it to internet use
5) The script (Kurdish version) has exhisted for ca 100 years
6) Keep in mind that Europeans are our future "tourists"!
7) It is understood by all Kurds and countries because of the importance English playes in the world
8) Arabic has just recently been the script in use by Kurds...

All the reasons are good reasons... but maybe there are even more reasons?

Well anyway... It must be said - Turks did not discover the alphabet... they also copied it from the french... just like us... The turks don't have Î Û Ê and they don't have other alphabets like Q W X =) So they are the ones who have copied...


I would like to comment on this and say

1) Kurdish is a "Indo-european" language... (TRUE)
2) Kurds are Arians so are most of Europeans (Patlly TRUE, as Arian is not the correct one see http://www.KURDISTANICA.com)
3) Europeans can read the Latin Script (TRUE, but it is not a good ground to solve our problem)
4) It will be easy to adapt it to internet use (Very TRUE, see http://www.KurdishAcademy.org))
5) The script (Kurdish version) has exhisted for ca 100 years (If you mean Beder Xan Version, this is FALSE as first came out in 1931, if you mean the KURDISTAN paper by Miqdad Bedir Xan, he used the Otteman Turkish Alphabet for his writing, he wanted his papre to be readable for educated Kurd in Turkey)

6) Keep in mind that Europeans are our future "tourists"! (Good thought but again it is not a good ground for us to base the solution on this, there are more tourists from Japan around world what should we do then)

7) It is understood by all Kurds and countries because of the importance English playes in the world, (This is good but we need to think Kurdish and plan Kurdish we can think of West European system not based on certain language for coding Kurdish. Kurdish gramatically and phonotically is more closer to Spanish than any other West European language. How ever we need to learn how to think Kurdish)

8) Arabic has just recently been the script in use by Kurds... (FALSE, Kurdish Arabic script started with the KURDISTAN paper by Miqdad Bedir Xan and then in 1926 by others in Silémaní. The first Kurdish text dated as late as 11 Century by Baba Tahir, wirten with Persian alphabet. or the Wholy book of Yaristan in 12th century, see the history at http://www.KurdishAcademy.org)
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PostAuthor: Diri » Thu May 26, 2005 8:32 pm

DUDE! :shock:


Whats up with the "third degree" examination... "true", "false"... "I care" , "I care not"...



I am perfeclt aware of the fact that Kurds are a result of many different layers of ethnic races and that they surely are the worlds most mixed people... But if you would have read my other posts you would have seen that there I advocate FOR these layers... i don't deny them... I just think it is important to draw on what two religions/cultures/persons have in common RATHER than to draw on what they do NOT have in common... I am sure you understand this???
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PostAuthor: kchi_narwiji » Thu May 26, 2005 9:51 pm

i wont wote her cuz im not kurdish, but i hope you will deside latin.
its easy for people like me to learn and for all the kurdish that came to europa or usa ..exe...when they were children they dont know how to write the""""arabic""" way... i have so many friends,they only know the latin way they have been living in norway almost all there life..

but then again i realy want to learn the """arabic""way of writing...
i have downloaded a keybord,,,, i write latin way and it appers in """arabic""" way :D


i love kurdistan :!: :!:

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Dear Dude!

PostAuthor: Binyamin » Fri May 27, 2005 10:10 am

Diri wrote:DUDE! :shock:


Whats up with the "third degree" examination... "true", "false"... "I care" , "I care not"...



I am perfeclt aware of the fact that Kurds are a result of many different layers of ethnic races and that they surely are the worlds most mixed people... But if you would have read my other posts you would have seen that there I advocate FOR these layers... i don't deny them... I just think it is important to draw on what two religions/cultures/persons have in common RATHER than to draw on what they do NOT have in common... I am sure you understand this???


Is that all you could learn from the reply. I do not know you, and I think that you should not interpret my quted reply as a personal insult. We are here to share and learn from each other. One thing that Kurds lack is positive critic “zimaní rixne”. Therefore, I am using your statement to pass cross some information that might occupy any body’s mind, and not you as a person. I hope that you understand that, DUDE!
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri May 27, 2005 10:22 am

Dude! :shock:

I think YOU are the one insulted... I just thought it was very lame of you - You didn't need to quote my post just to tell PEOPLE what you THINK... - If that was the aim of your post then why not just FREELY write whats on your mind....???
But - you chose to quote me- and then understand that I am not impressed with the way you think you know "Everything"... It is so enoying to think about it - what I learned??? I learned that you are arrogant...

But obiously you haven't done anything "wrong" - you only stated your mind - but please next tim do try to be objective... (You would be objective if what you say are "facts")


i am sorry - but "rixne" is not a part of my vocabulary - nor is it a part of my dialect - would you care to translate? I am guessing you mean "Zimanê daykê"... "mothers tounge"...

Kechi_narwiji - Go ahead vote - after all - this is meant to be a place for "people" to air their minds - not just for Kurds... ;)
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PostAuthor: kchi_narwiji » Fri May 27, 2005 11:13 am

i dont think u should change anything...you can have latin and arabic way,,, many countries havesevral different way of writing,,, you should not change , you can learn both ways in school .... now an then you have bothto be proud about...
you can not say you dont want the arabic way cuz we hate arabs... or say we dont want the latin way cuz the turks have it....
you have both way,be proud of that.... kurds are nomads and this is a good example....

why should you change?? is it not working now?
do you thing much will change if u write the same.... i feel both are kurdish.
do you want to forget the way u dont choose then? like it never were.....
thats a shame....

((diri nr 6,, tourist wil find ther way if its latin or arabic,cuz u need english signs.... )))
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Fri May 27, 2005 11:16 am

What does tourists had to do with it? :?: :?: :?:
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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PostAuthor: Binyamin » Fri May 27, 2005 12:24 pm

Diri wrote:Dude! :shock:

I think YOU are the one insulted... I just thought it was very lame of you - You didn't need to quote my post just to tell PEOPLE what you THINK... - If that was the aim of your post then why not just FREELY write whats on your mind....???
But - you chose to quote me- and then understand that I am not impressed with the way you think you know "Everything"... It is so enoying to think about it - what I learned??? I learned that you are arrogant...

But obiously you haven't done anything "wrong" - you only stated your mind - but please next tim do try to be objective... (You would be objective if what you say are "facts")


i am sorry - but "rixne" is not a part of my vocabulary - nor is it a part of my dialect - would you care to translate? I am guessing you mean "Zimanê daykê"... "mothers tounge"...

Kechi_narwiji - Go ahead vote - after all - this is meant to be a place for "people" to air their minds - not just for Kurds... ;)


I feel sorry for you, I have no comment. I just wish you get over your bad attitude some day,

This issue is open for some one who speaks Kurdish not a dialect of Kurdish, how ever "rixne = critics" and zimaní rixne = language of critics, that means people criticise each others without getting where you are heading. I have not said I know every thing. I read and learned, you may do the same, go to http://www.KurdishAcademy.org and see for yourself, but again it is for some one who speaks Kurdish as a language and not as a dialect. Zimaní Daykí or Zimané Zikmakí or Zuwan Dalligí, was not my intension.

If you are not open minded let the issue go. Thank you
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PostAuthor: kchi_narwiji » Fri May 27, 2005 1:15 pm

Vladimir wrote:What does tourists had to do with it? :?: :?: :?:


nothing,,, forget it,,,

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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri May 27, 2005 5:44 pm

I feel sorry for you, I have no comment. I just wish you get over your bad attitude some day,

This issue is open for some one who speaks Kurdish not a dialect of Kurdish, how ever "rixne = critics" and zimaní rixne = language of critics, that means people criticise each others without getting where you are heading. I have not said I know every thing. I read and learned, you may do the same, go to http://www.KurdishAcademy.org and see for yourself, but again it is for some one who speaks Kurdish as a language and not as a dialect. Zimaní Daykí or Zimané Zikmakí or Zuwan Dalligí, was not my intension.

If you are not open minded let the issue go. Thank you!


Why don't you get it??? You ARE arrogant and it is YOU has the attitude... Do you think you are better??? Just because you have read some silly article on the net??? I have read THOUSANDS of those damn articles... And by the way - that site you are refering to is not gramatically corrects and there are HUNDREDS of spelling mistakes... it is clear that the people who made it had JUST as little knowledge about the standard Kurmanji as you...

Thank YOU - (Do you know what it is called when a person writes an angry post and then later in the end says "thank you" - It is called arrogance... Not to mention - Ignorance...)
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PostAuthor: Binyamin » Fri May 27, 2005 6:12 pm

Diri wrote:
I feel sorry for you, I have no comment. I just wish you get over your bad attitude some day,

This issue is open for some one who speaks Kurdish not a dialect of Kurdish, how ever "rixne = critics" and zimaní rixne = language of critics, that means people criticise each others without getting where you are heading. I have not said I know every thing. I read and learned, you may do the same, go to http://www.KurdishAcademy.org and see for yourself, but again it is for some one who speaks Kurdish as a language and not as a dialect. Zimaní Daykí or Zimané Zikmakí or Zuwan Dalligí, was not my intension.

If you are not open minded let the issue go. Thank you!


Why don't you get it??? You ARE arrogant and it is YOU has the attitude... Do you think you are better??? Just because you have read some silly article on the net??? I have read THOUSANDS of those damn articles... And by the way - that site you are refering to is not gramatically corrects and there are HUNDREDS of spelling mistakes... it is clear that the people who made it had JUST as little knowledge about the standard Kurmanji as you...

Thank YOU - (Do you know what it is called when a person writes an angry post and then later in the end says "thank you" - It is called arrogance... Not to mention - Ignorance...)


The text you are referring to is written in Kurdish Unified Alphabet “Yekgirtú” and not in Bedir Xan Latin version; you better write to them and say that they are arrogant too. It might help you to overcome your problems.

Have nice day, Diri, (is it Dérí or Dírí?)
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A Table of the Various Kurdish Alphabets

PostAuthor: Binyamin » Fri May 27, 2005 6:16 pm

This might help

A Table of the Various Kurdish Alphabets

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/english/a ... rison.html


Read this and make it 1001 article you have read and do not forget the

FAQ

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/english/faq.html

It is good for bed time reading :)
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri May 27, 2005 6:20 pm

It is DÎRÎ.... I see you don't have the option of writing Î on your keyboard - only Ì...

But anyway... I don't care about your childish way of misinterpreting such a small case - All I ever said that Europeans and Kurds were both Arians and the you come and attack me... What's up with that??? And I am the one who has problems.. you got issiues...
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PostAuthor: Binyamin » Fri May 27, 2005 6:32 pm

It is fine Dírí (I have all keyboard -ê î û- I need but I write only Kurdish Unified Alphabet, I respect my language and I think it deserve my care as person and very one as people to survive the best way)
You name in Southern Kurdish means "To Have"

Jiftíg cew dírí, le Qesr xeydey Xaneqín dùní

How ever have a look at
http://www.kurdistanica.com/english/his ... es-08.html

and

http://www.kurdistanica.com/english/his ... es-02.html

and

http://www.kurdistanica.com/english/his ... es-09.html

In KURDISTANICA's web site at http://www.KURDISTANICA.com

The let me know if we should be Arian or simply Kurds!?
We must be the change, we wish to see.
-Gandhi

(go to my favourite web page http://www.KurdishAcademy.org )
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