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Re: Loanwords in Turkish

PostAuthor: KCF » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:20 pm

299spartians wrote:I say again that your ideas are not important. thats funny :)
Azerbijanis are oghuz Turks , like Anatolia Turks and Turkmens
Population of both Azerbaycan 95 % assimilated iranian people.
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish

PostAuthor: Emanoelkurdistani » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:33 pm

Dij-Kurdekan be daxewe, Emanoel hatewe!!

Once again, I’m back!

So let’s see what’s up over here! It seems we have a new guest of honor who sounds to be a big fan of linguistics, specially Northwestern Iranian languages, and particularly Kurdic Languages! Zor baş, Kurd ne navdar in bi mêvanperwerîtî?! Gelê mêvanan ser çavên me ne! Let’s commit the abrazo!


@ Mamma Mia
“Loan Words?

Kirmanci : yak dū sē čwār pēnj šaš hawt hašt nō da

Farsi : yak do se čahār panj šeš haft hašt noh dah

Zaza (Dimli) : žew di hīrē čihaār pānž šeš hewt hešt new des

Gorani : yak d'ue y'are ču'ār panj šIš hawt hašt no da”

Here is the complete list:

Kirmanci (Northern or Kurmancî) : êk/yek du sê çar pênc şeş heft heyşt neh deh
Kirmanci (Central or Soranî) : yek/ye du sê çûwar pênc şeş hewt heşt now de
Kirmanci (Southern or Kirmajî) : ye/yek du sê çûwar penc şeş heft heşt now de

Persian (Conversational Dialect of Iran) : yê/yêk do sê çar penc şîş hef heş noh deh
Persian (Official Dialect of Iran) : yêk do sê çahar penc şêş heft heşt noh deh
Persian (Dari Dialect or Afghanistani Persian) : yek dû sê çehar penc şeş heft eşt nûh deh
Persian (Tajik Dialect) : yek dû sî çehor penc şeş heft heşt nûh deh

Zaza (Northern or Kirdkî) : zû di hirî çor ponz şeş howt heşt new des
Zaza (Central or Kirmanckî) : yew di hîrî çihar panc ses hewt heyşt new des
Zaza (Southern or Dimilî) : jew di hîrê çar panj şeş hewt heşt new des

Goranî (All Variations) : yewe/yek dvî/dwê/dûwî/dû yerê/yerî/sê çûwar penc şeş/şiş heft/hewt heşt no/now de/des


”So, Can we say actually, Kirmanci is almost same as Persian, and Zaza and Gorani are not as close to Kirmanci as Persian does?”

First we are better to observe the origins rather than to start abrupt questions:

Old Iranian : eêve-eke > Modern Iranian yewe, yek, êk…
Old Iranian : dve > Modern Iranian dwê, dû, do…
Old Iranian : thrî > Old Persian çî > Middle Persian sî > Modern Persian “sê”. Kirmancî “sê” is a Persian loan.
Old Iranian : thrî > Parthian “hrê” > found in Hewrami and Zaza as “yerê, hirî …”
Old Iranian : çethvere > Kirmancî (Central and Southern dialects) and Hewramî “çûwar, çiwar…”
Old Iranian :çethvere > Modern Persian “çehar”. Due to the strange development of “-th-” into “-h-” this numeral is a loan in Persian.
Old Iranian : pence > Modern Iranian penc, pênc ….
Old Iranian : şveşe > Modern Iranian şeş, şêş …
Old Iranian : hepte > Modern Iranian heft. Central Kirmanci, Some Hewramî varieties and Zaza are distinguished for “hewt, howt …”
Old Iranian : eshte > Modern Iranian “heşt”. Afghanistani Persian (for “esht”) and Northern Kirmancî and Central Zaza (for “heyşt) are recognizable.
Old Iranian : neve > Modern Iranian “new, now, no…”. Parthian “neh” > Persian “noh” and Northern Kirmancî “neh” are Parthian loans.
Old Iranian : dese > Modern Iranian “des”. But Old Persian “dethe” > Middle Persian “deh” (strange turn of “th” into “h” due to the Parthian influence, since Persian is supposed to develop “th” into “ç” same as Old Persian) > Modern Persian “deh”, and Kirmancî “de, deh” are loans.


Comparing independent developments in Kirmanci and Persian numerals:

Originial eêv- > Kirmanci “ê-“, Persian “ye-“

Original “-ve” > Kirmanci “-u”, but Persian “-o”/”-û”

Original “-ethv-“ > Kirmanci “-ûw-”, but Persian “-eh-”.

Original “-enc-“ > Kirmanci “-ênc”, but Persian “-enc”.

Original “-veş-“ > Kirmanci “-eş”, Persian “-îş/-êş/-eş”.

Original “-ept-“ > Kirmanci “ewt-“, but Persian “eft-“.

Original “-ew-“ > Kirmanci “-ow”, but Persian “-oh”.


Now, let’s count the loan-numbers in both Persian and Kirmancî (main Kurdic language spoken by abt 90% of Kurdish people, thus sometimes is referred to “Kurdish”) :

Persian : çehar, noh, deh, so 3 numerals are of stranger origin.

Kirmancî : sê, de/deh, so 2 numerals are of stranger origin.




”Hence, Kirmanci is Persian.”

Great conclusion!!!! A sweeping unscientific comparison then an overall conclusion! But I should say you are too quick in making conclusions and it’s not really good! Only becuz “sê” in Kirmancî is of Persian origin hence Kirmancî is Persian??!!!!! Therefore Persian is 3 times Parthian according to your dumb-logic!! You know, they call it “fallacy of composition”! Your words are as dumb as I cannot imagine how come a man-kind can ever daresay in the same way as yours!!!


”First, have your numbers in your own languages (whatever it is), then blame Turkish.”

And you dumb-head the brainless first obtain the primary knowledge over the stuff, then attempt to commit fallacy.


“Serbian has not borrowed any word from Sanskrit you moron. Those languages are in different time zone. Before Serbian was born Sanskrit was a dead language. Serbian was emerged from Old Slavonic.”

These words from the “Mamma Mia” are in response to Johny Bravo’s:
“And now in Serbian brainless Turk:

Serbian: yedan dva tri çetiri pet şest sedam osam devet deset

And now in Sanskrit you brainless Turk:

Sanskrit: êke dve tri çetur pence şeş septe este neve deçe

What we learn? Serbians borrowed the numbers from Sanskrit, Sanskrit borrowed it from Persian, Persian borrowed it from Zazaki, Zazaki borrwed it from Latin?”

Johny was already making fun of Mamma Mia’s dumb-logic and compared it with to claim any probable borrowings between Serbian and Sanskrit in an ironic manner!! Just once again see what Mamma Mia said in reply:

“Serbian has not borrowed any word from Sanskrit you moron. Those languages are in different time zone. Before Serbian was born Sanskrit was a dead language. Serbian was emerged from Old Slavonic.”

No sweat to recognize who is exactly moron!!
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish

PostAuthor: thearabchildren » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:29 am

Someone mentioned "köy" and said that it was "Iranian" in origin, as well as that Turks don't have their own word for village. In fact they do, they just don't know it (just like English speakers, who have "thorpe" but don't know it because we all say the French "village" instead): It is "avul", in most other Turkic languages "avıl" (a regular sound change: davıl > davul, çavış > çavuş, etc.)

What's more interesting about this word, in my opinion, is that it appears to be Armenian in origin. I use Nişanyan for all Anatolian Turkic etymological check-ups I need done: http://nisanyansozluk.com/?k=k%F6y

Also, I thought you might all like some Kurdish words in common use in Turkish: http://nisanyansozluk.com/?s=detay&dq=&dt=&dd=K%C3%BCrd&dk=
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Re: Loanwords in Turkish

PostAuthor: KurdishSoccer92 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:36 pm

THERE IS NO TURKISH LANGUAGE ALLMOST ALL WORDS STOLEN FROM OTHER LANGUAGES LIKE ARAB,KURDISH ,PERSIAN ETC .
WE ARE NOT IRANIAN,NOT MONGOL TURK ,NOT ARAB!

BIJI SEROK APO!DONT BELIEV LIES.HE IS TRUE SEROK ! http://trimr.de/158p
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