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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:03 pm

here is an interesting article about Latin vs Sorani script.

it basically says a group of intellectuals refuse the change from kurdish Sorani to Latin script and that no part of kurdistan should impose its script on the other, that Sorani script has been used by Kurds for several decades, lots of poets, novels and classics as well as literatures were written in Sorani script by great and famous kurds while the latin script was only introduced by Kemal Ataturk on kurds in the north.

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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: kurdistanis1 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:09 pm

I totally agree, although I can read and write the latin script much better, I would rather keep the sorani script as well. I hate that ataturk was the one to introduce the latin script, so I think it shouldn't be the only one used.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:38 pm

I don't know about that. The thing with the Turkish latin script, is that its completely different to the Kurdish one. Though if the government already do use the Latin script alot in SK, to be fair its probably easier to read than the Sorani one.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: ideas » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:42 pm

Kak Alan. The latin script is more fitting for Kurdish. After all Kurdish is an Indo-European language.

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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:54 pm

the most important languages have a latin script. (english)
i know that the sorani script has more tradition and is older, but i want more distance from the arab and persian world for an independent kurdistan.
we should come closer to europa and america, the latin script is better for international communication and business.

otherwise the southkurds should keep the sorani script if they want

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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:55 am

i think it should be kept , i am from SK and i know the latin fully, so it is not going to make SK and EK not learn the latin script, but we want to keep the sorani script, bcoz we have grown into it for several decades now.

having a latin script for kurds which was introduced by a turk is not a good sign, and the west will not look at kurds differently if we used latin script, the normal west people will never tell between a kurd and an arab, the politicians prob will know the different between a kurd and an arab so who cares what they think, it was them that divided our land after all :sad:.

also getting closer to the west financially has nothing to do with having latin script, i.e. UAE and Qatar.

we need smart and economical minded leaders to acheive that.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: kurdistanis1 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:23 am

alan131210 wrote:i think it should be kept , i am from SK and i know the latin fully, so it is not going to make SK and EK not learn the latin script, but we want to keep the sorani script, bcoz we have grown into it for several decades now.

having a latin script for kurds which was introduced by a turk is not a good sign, and the west will not look at kurds differently if we used latin script, the normal west people will never tell between a kurd and an arab, the politicians prob will know the different between a kurd and an arab so who cares what they think, it was them that divided our land after all :sad:.

also getting closer to the west financially has nothing to do with having latin script, i.e. UAE and Qatar.

we need smart and economical minded leaders to acheive that.


couldn't have said it better, it's not like they will understand Kurdish if we write it in latin. I can't read french spanish german or any other language that's in latin except for English. Not sure how they will be able to read kurdish even in latin script.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: umut » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:55 am

alan131210 wrote:here is an interesting article about Latin vs Sorani script.

it basically says a group of intellectuals refuse the change from kurdish Sorani to Latin script and that no part of kurdistan should impose its script on the other, that Sorani script has been used by Kurds for several decades, lots of poets, novels and classics as well as literatures were written in Sorani script by great and famous kurds while the latin script was only introduced by Kemal Ataturk on kurds in the north.

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it's wrong. Kurdish Latin script which is used by Kurds in Turkey was introduced by Celadet Alî Bedirxan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celadet_Bedir_Khan

I think South Kurdistan must use Latin script to establish better relations with Western countries , in this way also Kurds in Turkey can read Sorani easily.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:55 pm

I think arabic script will completely disappear in the long run .
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: ideas » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:39 pm

Alan Latin is an Indo-European script, just like Kurdish is an Indo-European language. Turkish is not an Indo-European language although most words have Iranic origins. Latin fits Kurdish the best because of it's roots, not so that Europeans can read our language. For example in English you have Work and Worker and in Kurdish you have Ish and Ishkker, another form is in English Working and in Kurdish Ishkerden these are some of the reasons as to why Kurdish is classified as an Indo-European language, and why Latin would fit it best.

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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:22 am

Almost all modern building , stores , malls uses latin or English , because arabic alphabets just makes no sense any more . perhaps in term of literature Arabic alphabet will continue to be used for a couple of more generations , but I think it will completely die after that .

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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:50 am

umut wrote:
I think South Kurdistan must use Latin script to establish better relations with Western countries , in this way also Kurds in Turkey can read Sorani easily.


why not do what we do in SK and EK !? learn Sorani script in one of the school years !!?? that is when NK "can" learn/study in Latin Kurdish ;)

Kak Taslor, first the officialt script of SK is the "Sorani" script, so most of the signs of shops in SK are in "Sorani" script, the new shopping malls are a different story, first they are English not Latin, they are mostly built for foreigners as $400 per month salary will not allow you to do your shopping in Family or Majidi mall, trust me i was there in 2010.

it is also inconvenient for diaspora kurds but they must put in the effort like (Diako ber) and learn it, if a 3 year old can so can we.

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like i said it is "Sorani" script not arabic and it has been used by SK and EK for 100s of years now, the latin was only used by kurds in NK after Kemal Ataturk invented the Latin for turkish language, so we must run and copy his invention !!

Sorani will be kept in SK and EK, NK just have to introduce it in their schools to understand us, just like how we have done with latin to understand them.

in the end it will be put to a referendum in SK but remain assured (Hawler, Suli and Kirkuk) will vote to have the sorani script kept(based on personal experience), i am not too sure for Duhok 8-|

the same with EK, they have already opened up private schools teaching the "Sorani" script in Sine.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: talsor » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:42 am

alan131210 wrote:Kak Taslor, first the officialt script of SK is the "Sorani" script, so most of the signs of shops in SK are in "Sorani" script, the new shopping malls are a different story, first they are English not Latin, they are mostly built for foreigners as $400 per month salary will not allow you to do your shopping in Family or Majidi mall, trust me i was there in 2010.


it certainly is and we are not debating that and I do not think the investors are that stupid to make a mall that people will not shop in , would they :-D ? .

alan131210 wrote:like i said it is "Sorani" script not arabic and it has been used by SK and EK for 100s of years now, the latin was only used by kurds in NK after Kemal Ataturk invented the Latin for turkish language, so we must run and copy his invention !!


There is no such thing as sorani script or may you think behdinis in Dohuk use different script :-D ? . It is a mere modification of arabic script , so I failed to understand the obsession here . Kurdish latin script is not the invention of ataturk and I do not know why would you even think that way . Latin script is Latin and being used many many countries including turkey .

alan131210 wrote:Sorani will be kept in SK and EK, NK just have to introduce it in their schools to understand us, just like how we have done with latin to understand them.


lol you think that arabic script will/can be taught in Northern Kurdistan ? How ? when they are the majority and under occupation ? . The consonances now based on the last conference that was held in southern Kurdistan is that Latin should be introduced in the south beside the arabic script , because it is much easier to implement Latin in the south that implementing Arabic script in the north where teaching kurdish is not permitted .

alan131210 wrote:in the end it will be put to a referendum in SK but remain assured (Hawler, Suli and Kirkuk) will vote to have the sorani script kept(based on personal experience), i am not too sure for Duhok 8-|

the same with EK, they have already opened up private schools teaching the "Sorani" script in Sine.


I do not think there will be any referendum for the next 20 years and the arabic script will remain for the time being , but in the long run latin script will take over .it will not completely disappear , but will be irrelevent in few generations .
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:11 am

talsor wrote:
it certainly is and we are not debating that and I do not think the investors are that stupid to make a mall that people will not shop in , would they :-D ? .


good.

There is no such thing as sorani script or may you think behdinis in Dohuk use different script :-D ? . It is a mere modification of arabic script , so I failed to understand the obsession here . Kurdish latin script is not the invention of ataturk and I do not know why would you even think that way . Latin script is Latin and being used many many countries including turkey .


it is called Sorani script as it is used in Suli Helwer Kirkuk EK-Kordestan province. in Bahdinan it is called the bahdini script prob im not sure. latin was used in turkey after ataturk invented it, the ottomans used the arabic script. it is not obsession and it is kurdish sorani script, it is called sorani bcoz most who use it are sorani speakers !? and it is not arabic as i cant even read or understand arabic.

lol you think that arabic script will/can be taught in Northern Kurdistan ? How ? when they are the majority and under occupation ? . The consonances now based on the last conference that was held in southern Kurdistan is that Latin should be introduced in the south beside the arabic script , because it is much easier to implement Latin in the south that implementing Arabic script in the north where teaching kurdish is not permitted .


how is it been taught in SK and privately in EK !? the same way it can be taught in NK when time is right, but certainly bcoz SK is free it will impose its script and used what ever it likes not what might be convenient for other occupied parts god knows when if ever will be freed specially NK.

I do not think there will be any referendum for the next 20 years and the arabic script will remain for the time being , but in the long run latin script will take over .it will not completely disappear , but will be irrelevent in few generations .
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no, you are wrong, there was a meeting by Kurdish languages professionals, intellectuals etc.. to have the unified script in (Latin) for SK but it "failed" as most of SK are Sorani speakers and will reject the idea of using Latin script, like i said it has been used for over several centuries now in SK and EK it has grown into us and it is not going to be stopped bcoz the NK want to use Latin! if we can learn the latin, they can learn the Sorani script when they are freed.

lets just agree to disagree, but SK will never use Latin as main script , take it from me heval i know i am on FB and read comments about this everyday, even TV channels ask the participants to send in their comments in "sorani" as the latin is not popular in SK and people do not even know how to use it despite been taught in year 6 in school, well in my time it was.
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Re: Latin Vs Sorani script

PostAuthor: talsor » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:20 pm

alan131210 wrote:it is called Sorani script as it is used in Suli Helwer Kirkuk EK-Kordestan province. in Bahdinan it is called the bahdini script prob im not sure. latin was used in turkey after ataturk invented it, the ottomans used the arabic script. it is not obsession and it is kurdish sorani script, it is called sorani bcoz most who use it are sorani speakers !? and it is not arabic as i cant even read or understand arabic.


Hayatekem it is called Kurdish script in Behdinan areas and you might not understand arabic , but it is still modified arabic alphabet and has nothing to do with Kurdish . Arabic alphabets did not spread like Islam did for a good reason and turkey distant itself from it because it is not in line with modern world .

alan131210 wrote:how is it been taught in SK and privately in EK !? the same way it can be taught in NK when time is right, but certainly bcoz SK is free it will impose its script and used what ever it likes not what might be convenient for other occupied parts god knows when if ever will be freed specially NK. .



The goal of the kurdish conference (mine and yours too ) is /was to find a unified way for Kurds to communicate with each others along with the ability to read kurdish literature from across Kurdistan .NK is under occupation and as you pointed out it might stay for a very long time , So it only makes sense that SK start teaching Kurdish using latin alphabets to Kurds in the South , so when NK and WK are freed , we will have a base in terms of communication and education and even if they are not freed for the next 100 years , having a united language is essential and important to maintain and strengthen our unity .

I'd like to point out that this is the tip of the ice burge of the problems that will emerge when Kurdistan is united . Imagine what the election going to look like when North , West , East and south United :lol: .

alan131210 wrote:no, you are wrong, there was a meeting by Kurdish languages professionals, intellectuals etc.. to have the unified script in (Latin) for SK but it "failed" as most of SK are Sorani speakers and will reject the idea of using Latin script, like i said it has been used for over several centuries now in SK and EK it has grown into us and it is not going to be stopped bcoz the NK want to use Latin! if we can learn the latin, they can learn the Sorani script when they are freed.


You are not looking at the big picture here and try to protect something that is not even yours . If we want a united Kurdistan in every sense then Latin will be our only choice since majority of Kurds use it anyway . The conference did fail and it was expected to fail since it was the first one in the Kurdish history and frankly I think it was too early to make such demands from the south , but there were consonances and that were made in the conference and we have a clear picture of the obstacle facing Kurdish language .

alan131210 wrote:lets just agree to disagree, but SK will never use Latin as main script , take it from me heval i know i am on FB and read comments about this everyday, even TV channels ask the participants to send in their comments in "sorani" as the latin is not popular in SK and people do not even know how to use it despite been taught in year 6 in school, well in my time it was.


No kak Alan , we have no choice but to agree if we ever wanted a united Kurdistan :-D . For now both script will remain as I mentioned earlier , but in the long run it will definitely change , because it is not a choice . Considering that the North along with WK constitute the majority of Kurds they will have it their way if there is ever a Kurdish unity .
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