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Whys is the kurds so short, the average women in kurdistan is about 150-155 cm tall and
the average men in kurdistan is 170-175 cm tall meanwhile here in sweden the average women
is 175-180 cm and the men is 180-185 cm tall.

what can that depend on

Kure Kurda! wrote:Whys is the kurds so short, the average women in kurdistan is about 150-155 cm tall and
the average men in kurdistan is 170-175 cm tall meanwhile here in sweden the average women
is 175-180 cm and the men is 180-185 cm tall.

what can that depend on

Environmental reasons .
Most people who live in plains are tall while the once in the mountains tend to be short . In the plains you need to be tall to see further while in the mountains you need to be short so you will not get tired climbing the mountains . Most kurds also have stronger lower body than the upper body which tend to be skinny in most cases .

It's genetics and nutrition.
None of the Middle Eastern nations are as huge as the North and West European nations, also, many of the children in war regions are malnutritioned.

The biggest deciding factor regarding height are genetics, tall parents often mean tall children.
But external factors also play a big role, the Dutch used to be one of the shortest of the Europeans in the past (like, 1 or 2 centuries ago), now they're the tallest of the world. Among the Dutch, the intake of dairy products is very much encouraged for kids, and their life quality is also very high, hence they've grown so tall.

To summarize:
-Genetics;
-Nutrition (balanced, with lots of protein and calcium);
-Sufficient amount of sleep;
-Sport.

Sleep is so important because that's when the body recuperates and does much of the growing.
Sport keeps the body conditioned, and because the human body tries to adjust to the conditions under which it's put, it'll try to become bigger and stronger for people who sport a lot, also, Human Growth Hormone is produced when sporting, especially more explosive, fasters sports (I believe).

If one takes a look at the new generation of countries which were traditionally short or average, one can see a very significant difference when comparing to the older generation. Look at Japan for example; by Western standards they're still short, but the difference between the old and newer generation is pretty big.
Also, take a look at the Turks, also pretty average, but a part of the new generation has grown quite tall (although quite some are still pretty short).

Among Kurds it also varies greatly by region and tribe, since we've traditionally been rather endogamous (marry within society/region).

Hence, newer generations will probably be taller, with proper nutrition and the likes will become taller; but whether our 'genetic ceiling' is as high as the Euros is still to be seen.

Kure Kurda! wrote:Whys is the kurds so short, the average women in kurdistan is about 150-155 cm tall and
the average men in kurdistan is 170-175 cm tall meanwhile here in sweden the average women
is 175-180 cm and the men is 180-185 cm tall.

what can that depend on

The average Human in the Near East + South Europe is short.

Oh, there's another reason; sexual selection.

Among Kurdish families, the women were often married off. Since they had no choice in the man they married, they could not choose the one that was physically the most desirable. Therefore, 'short genes' were kept in the gene pool.

One last thing; in modern warfare a tall physique is not always desirable; short bodies need less food to fuel, are easier to find cover for, and make smaller targets.

Hmmm
ok but whats about the anger, like we kurds gets angry very fast meanville a swedish dad would never get angry.

What does that depend on???

Zert wrote:Oh, there's another reason; sexual selection.

Among Kurdish families, the women were often married off. Since they had no choice in the man they married, they could not choose the one that was physically the most desirable. Therefore, 'short genes' were kept in the gene pool.

One last thing; in modern warfare a tall physique is not always desirable; short bodies need less food to fuel, are easier to find cover for, and make smaller targets.

The is a saying in Kurdish, which says the longer you are, the dumber you are.
I have heard that all great leaders are short.
Is it true?

Kure Kurda! wrote:The is a saying in Kurdish, which says the longer you are, the dumber you are.
I have heard that all great leaders are short.
Is it true?

No and no.

On average, taller persons are more succesful and smarter than their short counterparts.
People are also more prone to elect taller leaders; they are automatically more respected. If one takes a look at the American presidents for example, one can not only see that they are almost always above average in height, but, the tallest candidate often wins. That's not to say that a short person can't be a great leader though.

talsor wrote:

Kure Kurda! wrote:Whys is the kurds so short, the average women in kurdistan is about 150-155 cm tall and
the average men in kurdistan is 170-175 cm tall meanwhile here in sweden the average women
is 175-180 cm and the men is 180-185 cm tall.

what can that depend on

Environmental reasons .
Most people who live in plains are tall while the once in the mountains tend to be short . In the plains you need to be tall to see further while in the mountains you need to be short so you will not get tired climbing the mountains . Most kurds also have stronger lower body than the upper body which tend to be skinny in most cases .

its exactly the opposite Bro. Kurds living int he mountains are usually taller yet Kurds in plains are shorter. This is also the case in the rest of the world. The most mountains Region like (Ex Yugoslavia) have one of the tallest people.

No and no.

On average, taller persons are more succesful and smarter than their short counterparts.
People are also more prone to elect taller leaders; they are automatically more respected. If one takes a look at the American presidents for example, one can not only see that they are almost always above average in height, but, the tallest candidate often wins. That's not to say that a short person can't be a great leader though.[/quote]

Ok but with great leader i mean Stalin,Hitler,Churchille,Napolion and Barzani they are all short.
But what about anger and lets say pimples here in sweden teenages get so many pimples that the
are calld pizzaface but in kurdistan they arent so many teenages that have pimples (I think)

Kure Kurda! wrote:Hmmm
ok but whats about the anger, like we kurds gets angry very fast meanville a swedish dad would never get angry.

What does that depend on???

That in my view is psychological and has nothing to do with genetics .

Average Male Height By Country Updated (official data) scientific research:

Stats between 2006-2008

2 Averages:
1) Youth:20-30 years
2) Entire population/adults- All ages over 20 years,20+

Metric System Version:

1)Average Height by Country (Youth:20-30 years)
Country/Average Male Height (cm)/population

Netherlands 184,8 16318199
Iceland 181,5 319355
Denmark 181,1 5413392
Czech Republic 180,8 10246178
Slovenia 180,3 2007711
Germany 180,3 82424609
Norway 180,3 4737171
Sweden 180,0 8986400
Croatia 180,0 4496869
Finland 180,0 5214512
Luxembourg 179,9 486006
Estonia 179,6 1307605
Austria 179,2 8174762
Australia 179,0 19913144
Serbia 178,5 10159046
Poland 178,3 38626349
Switzerland 178,1 7450867
Belgium 178,0 10348276
Greece 177,9 10647529
United Kingdom 177,8 60270708
United States 177,6 293027571
New Zealand 177,5 3993817
Hungary 177,3 10106017
Ireland 177,0 3969558
Ukraine 176,5 47732079
Canada 176,3 32507874
Lithuania 176,3 3565205
Russia 176,2 143782338
Israel 176,2 7112359
Lebanon 176,2 3777218
Turkey 176,1 68893918
France 176,0 60424213
Uzbekistan 175,4 26410416
Spain 175,0 40280780
Senegal 175,0 10852147
Italy 174,8 58057477
Mali 174,5 12324029
Jamaica 174,3 2804332
South Korea 174,2 48598175
Romania 174,0 22355551
Azerbaijan 174,0 8177717
Uruguay 173,7 3399237
Portugal 173,5 10524145
Argentina 173,5 39144753
Iran 173,4 67503205
Syria 173,0 18016874
Taiwan 172,7 22920946
Morocco 172,7 32209101
Egypt 172,3 76117421
Tunisia 172,3 9974722
Algeria 172,2 32129324
Côte d'Ivoire 172,1 18373060
Japan 172,1 127333002
Hong Kong 172,1 7210505
South Africa 172,0 42718530
Gambia 172,0 1735464
China 171,8 1298847624
Cameroon 171,6 16063678
Ghana 171,5 23382848
Brazil 171,3 184101109
Colombia 171,2 42310775
Chile 171,0 15823957
Singapore 170,8 4353893
Venezuela 170,5 23542649
Paraguay 170,5 6191368
Pakistan 169,3 159196336
Mexico 169,2 104959594
Thailand 169,0 64865523
Mongolia 168,8 2751314
Malaysia 168,5 23522482
Sri Lanka 168,0 20064776
Malawi 168,0 13931831
Bahrain 167,6 718306
Iraq 167,4 25374691
Nigeria 167,0 138283240
Peru 166,3 27544305
North Korea 166,1 22697553
Vietnam 165,0 82689518
India 164,5 1065070607
Philippines 164,2 86241697
Indonesia 163,0 238452952
Cambodia 162,5 13363421

Overall Average: 170,6 cm(5ft 7.2in)(World's Average Height-Youth: 20-30 years)
World's population: 5429957815 (without any countries)
World's Average Height(Male)-Youth: 20-30 years-Error%:min.170cm-max.171cm

2)Average Height (Entire population/adults-All ages over 20 years,20+)
Country/Average Male Height (cm)/population

Netherlands 181,0 16318199
Iceland 179,8 319355
Norway 179,7 4737171
Sweden 179,3 8986400
Denmark 178,8 5413392
Finland 178,4 5214512
Czech Republic 178,3 10246178
Slovenia 178,1 2007711
Luxembourg 178,0 486006
Croatia 177,6 4496869
Germany 177,4 82424609
Estonia 177,1 1307605
Austria 177,0 8174762
Belgium 176,6 10348276
Serbia 176,5 10159046
Switzerland 176,5 7450867
United States 176,4 293027571
Australia 176,3 19913144
Poland 176,0 38626349
Greece 175,7 10647529
New Zealand 175,5 3993817
United Kingdom 175,4 60270708
Hungary 175,3 10106017
Ukraine 175,0 47732079
Ireland 175,0 3969558
Russia 175,0 143782338
Israel 175,0 7112359
Lithuania 175,0 3565205
Canada 174,3 32507874
Lebanon 174,2 3777218
Turkey 174,1 68893918
France 174,1 60424213
Uzbekistan 173,4 26410416
Italy 173,2 58057477
Senegal 173,0 10852147
Jamaica 172,8 2804332
Mali 172,5 12324029
Spain 172,0 40280780
Romania 172,0 22355551
Azerbaijan 172,0 8177717
Uruguay 171,8 3399237
Argentina 171,3 39144753
South Korea 171,0 48598175
Syria 171,0 18016874
Morocco 170,7 32209101
Iran 170,6 67503205
Portugal 170,5 10524145
Côte d'Ivoire 170,4 18373060
Egypt 170,3 76117421
Tunisia 170,3 9974722
Algeria 170,2 32129324
South Africa 170,0 42718530
Cameroon 170,0 16063678
Gambia 170,0 1735464
Ghana 169,8 23382848
Brazil 169,5 184101109
Colombia 169,5 42310775
Taiwan 169,3 22920946
Chile 169,2 15823957
Venezuela 169,0 23542649
Paraguay 169,0 6191368
Japan 168,6 127333002
Hong Kong 168,5 7210505
China 168,3 1298847624
Mexico 167,5 104959594
Pakistan 167,0 159196336
Singapore 166,6 4353893
Thailand 166,4 64865523
Mongolia 166,4 2751314
Malaysia 166,0 23522482
Sri Lanka 166,0 20064776
Malawi 166,0 13931831
Bahrain 165,6 718306
Iraq 165,4 25374691
Nigeria 165,0 138283240
Peru 164,3 27544305
North Korea 163,8 22697553
India 162,3 1065070607
Vietnam 162,1 82689518
Philippines 162,0 86241697
Indonesia 161,5 238452952
Cambodia 160,3 13363421

World's population: 5429957815 (without any countries)
Overall Average: 168,1 cm(5ft 6.2in)(World's Average Height-adults/entire population-All ages over 20 years,20+)

World's Average Height(Male)-adults/entire population-Error%:min.167,5cm-max.168,5cm

Results:
*(Youth:20-30 years)
World's Average Height:168,1 cm-5ft 6.2in- Youth World's average:170,6 cm -5ft 7.2in
Europe's Average Height :175,3 cm- 5ft 9in- Youth 177,6 cm-
5ft 9.9in
Asia's Average Height:166,2 cm- 5ft 5.4 in- Youth 168,8 cm-
5ft 6.5 in
Latin America's Average Height : 168,9 cm- 5ft 6.5 in-Youth
170,7 cm- 5ft 7.2in
USA's Average Height : 176,4 cm- 5ft 9.4in- Youth- 177,6 cm-
5ft 9.9in
Africa's Average Height: 168,5 cm- 5ft 6.4in- Youth -170,5 cm-
5ft 7.1in

*(Youth:20-30 years)
Results in details (male height):
World’s Average Height (Youth):170,6 cm (Without China and India:172,1 cm)
World’s Average Height (Entire population):168,1 cm (Without China and India:170,1 cm)
Europe’s Average Height (Entire population):175,1 cm (Without Russia and Turkey:175,3 cm)
Europe’s Average Height (Youth):177,1 cm (Without Russia and Turkey:177,6 cm)
Asia’s Average Height (Entire population):166,2 cm (Without Russia and Turkey:165,6 cm) ( Without China and India:167,2 cm)
Asia’s Average Height (Youth):168,8 cm (Without Russia and Turkey:168,4 cm) (Without China and India:169,5 cm)
America’s (North, South and Central) Average Height (Entire population):171,9 cm
America’s (North, South and Central) Average Height ( Youth):173,5 cm
Latin America’s Average Height (Entire population):168,9 cm
Latin America’s Average Height (Youth):170,7 cm
South America’s Average Height (Entire population):169,3 cm
South America’s Average Height (Youth):171,1 cm
North America’s Average Height (Entire population):174,1 cm
North America’s Average Height (Youth):175,5 cm
Africa’s Average Height (Entire population):168,5 cm
Africa’s Average Height (Youth):170,5 cm

*All values calculated according to the year of the research and the age group.

As far as I know, there are three regions with very tall men: Montenegro, Herzegovina and Dalmatia.I did not see Montenegro in the list above .

Kure Kurda! wrote:Ok but with great leader i mean Stalin,Hitler,Churchille,Napolion and Barzani they are all short.

Napoleon's short height is a myth, he was 1,70m, a perfectly average height for his time.
Same with Hitler, he was around 1,73m, pretty average.
Stalin and Churchill were a tad below that; but I don't know if they would have been considered short though.