Roj Bash Kurdistan

I know this is a hot topic, but I still want to know what the Kurds from other parts of Kurdistan think. Orginally Lurs belong to the Kurdish Fayli linguistic and tribal group. So would you consider them as Kurdish?

do they look at kurdistan as their homeland?

Rando wrote:do they look at kurdistan as their homeland?

Ask them yourself online. The only Lurs I've seen that consider themselves Kurdish are Ilami ones.

they were kurds in origin and i see them as kurds, even when they today speak a persian dialect.
be a lor doesnt mean you can not be a kurd. kurds consist of many tribes, like every other nation and in the past lor was one of them, the actual feylis, but the other lors seperate himself from kurd u kurdistan. the same with some kirmanjs, because our enemies propaganda and our weak lobby outside of kurdistan.

its like germany and austria. they are the same people, but seperated to another nationality.

hevalo27 wrote:they were kurds in origin and i see them as kurds, even when they today speak a persian dialect.
be a lor doesnt mean you can not be a kurd. kurds consist of many tribes, like every other nation and in the past lor was one of them, the actual feylis, but the other lors seperate himself from kurd u kurdistan. the same with some kirmanjs, because our enemies propaganda and our weak lobby outside of kurdistan.

its like germany and austria. they are the same people, but seperated to another nationality.

Exactly brother, actually one of the most famous Fayli tribes were the Lors.

Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

Exactly from Pahli. I think they even say 'Xwayan' and 'Xwuman'- meaning us and them.

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

exactly Kird, Kerd or Kir are typical for Kurdish dialects and Hatin for coming is typical for the (new) Kurmanji group of Kurdish (Sorani, Laki-Feyli, Kurmanji). It is a specific Kurdish loudshift from amey. Typical is the added H before a vocal to make it sound softer. This Hatin is not found in any other Iranic languages only among the close (new) Kurmanji group to which Kurmanji, Sorani, Leki-Feyli belong. While the (old) Kurmanci group to which Kirmancki and Hewrami belong still use the original and unchanged amey.

This shows us that the Big Lors (Baxtiyari, Lori) where originally Kurdish and absorbed so much Persian influence on their language that today they speak more like a contact language between Kurdish and Persian. even Sherefhan al Bitlisi listed them among the Kurds. The only Lurs which could preserve their original Kurdish language are Feylis/Laks.

Kurdistano wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

exactly Kird, Kerd or Kir are typical for Kurdish dialects and Hatin for coming is typical for the (new) Kurmanji group of Kurdish (Sorani, Laki-Feyli, Kurmanji). It is a specific Kurdish loudshift from amey. Typical is the added H before a vocal to make it sound softer. This Hatin is not found in any other Iranic languages only among the close (new) Kurmanji group to which Kurmanji, Sorani, Leki-Feyli belong. While the (old) Kurmanci group to which Kirmancki and Hewrami belong still use the original and unchanged amey.

This shows us that the Big Lors (Baxtiyari, Lori) where originally Kurdish and absorbed so much Persian influence on their language that today they speak more like a contact language between Kurdish and Persian. even Sherefhan al Bitlisi listed them among the Kurds. The only Lurs which could preserve their original Kurdish language are Feylis/Laks.

Do you think the Lurs in Luristan loosing their language was just due to cultural influence or also due to inter-marriage?

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

i belive you, but can i see you researches
do you have something in writing, where i can read, i am interrested in all kurdish languages and dialects and just want compare and see the similarities personally.
i am aware of some examples and want more informations

hevalo27 wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

i belive you, but can i see you researches
do you have something in writing, where i can read, i am interrested in all kurdish languages and dialects and just want compare and see the similarities personally.
i am aware of some examples and want more informations

Here is a great article about Luri:

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/lori-dialects

I've not special researches about Luri, but it seems that it is originally a southern Kurdish dialect with persian features.

hevalo27 wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

i belive you, but can i see you researches
do you have something in writing, where i can read, i am interrested in all kurdish languages and dialects and just want compare and see the similarities personally.
i am aware of some examples and want more informations

Bro Lurs themselves are orginally a Fayli/Pahli tribe.

jjmuneer wrote:

hevalo27 wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

i belive you, but can i see you researches
do you have something in writing, where i can read, i am interrested in all kurdish languages and dialects and just want compare and see the similarities personally.
i am aware of some examples and want more informations

Bro Lurs themselves are orginally a Fayli/Pahli tribe.

read my first comment again i just want continue my education about my people.

Johny English wrote:

hevalo27 wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

i belive you, but can i see you researches
do you have something in writing, where i can read, i am interrested in all kurdish languages and dialects and just want compare and see the similarities personally.
i am aware of some examples and want more informations

Here is a great article about Luri:

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/lori-dialects

I've not special researches about Luri, but it seems that it is originally a southern Kurdish dialect with persian features.

thanks, my english is not good enough to read this articel,

other question
is this musik like the title say, lori? if someone know it, please write me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P933kp-L2Dc

jjmuneer wrote:

Kurdistano wrote:

Johny English wrote:Lori is in fact according to my researches a persifizied dialect of Southern Kurdish.

You can notice this on features like: kirdin, hatin which are special kurdish and don't exist in other Iranian languages.

exactly Kird, Kerd or Kir are typical for Kurdish dialects and Hatin for coming is typical for the (new) Kurmanji group of Kurdish (Sorani, Laki-Feyli, Kurmanji). It is a specific Kurdish loudshift from amey. Typical is the added H before a vocal to make it sound softer. This Hatin is not found in any other Iranic languages only among the close (new) Kurmanji group to which Kurmanji, Sorani, Leki-Feyli belong. While the (old) Kurmanci group to which Kirmancki and Hewrami belong still use the original and unchanged amey.

This shows us that the Big Lors (Baxtiyari, Lori) where originally Kurdish and absorbed so much Persian influence on their language that today they speak more like a contact language between Kurdish and Persian. even Sherefhan al Bitlisi listed them among the Kurds. The only Lurs which could preserve their original Kurdish language are Feylis/Laks.

Do you think the Lurs in Luristan loosing their language was just due to cultural influence or also due to inter-marriage?

It was due inner conflicts. There is a story telling about a "brother war" between the Lors.

Interesting, never heard of such a story.