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interesting, haplogroup I that is most found by scandinavians and yugoslavians is the most populous haplogroup among kurds. it is real?

Yes it is. But you are mixing some things up. The I found in Scandinavia is I1* I1 is only found in moderate frequency 3-4%. But The I found among Kurds is mainly I2a2. This is the Haplogroup what is very stong in the Balkans, Russia, North Ossetia and Kurds. This is the Haplogroup what differs us from most other Near Eastern Populations.

could someone explain what those numbers mean ?

To be honest with you eurpedia isn't accurate at all. They only take small samples. This only shows iraq and turkish kurds, not iranian kurds.

dyaoko wrote:could someone explain what those numbers mean ?

Those are the percentages in which certain haplogroups are present in the Kurdish population.
Haplogroups tell you what your direct lineage is, they only tell you something about 2 (or 1, if you're female) of your ancestors.

Haplogroups formed in different parts of the world, and are associated with different peoples; for example the R1a among Kurds is thought to stem from our Aryan ancestors (Medes).

On a related not: I ordered a DNA kit yesterday, from a site called 23andme.com . It's often used, and quite respected. It tells you alot about your DNA; not only a detailed analysis of recent and distant ancestry, but also traits, drug response, and disease risks.

Zert wrote:On a related not: I ordered a DNA kit yesterday, from a site called 23andme.com . It's often used, and quite respected. It tells you alot about your DNA; not only a detailed analysis of recent and distant ancestry, but also traits, drug response, and disease risks.

Were you not from Dersim? It'll thus be very likely that you carry R1a.

Yes, I'm from Dersim. I'm going to send the tube back to the lab Monday. Thereafter it takes like 6-8 weeks according to the package to get my results.

Edit: apparantly, many get their results earlier than that, like 3-4 weeks, in best case 2 weeks after they've received. Not that bad of a wait.

For those interested, my genetic results came in.
I made a thread about them on another forum, you will need an account on there to view the pictures though.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=23398

Zert, let me make something very clear. Genetics is not my area of expertise, but allow me to give you this advice. Do not give in to the lies of certain users stating that Kurds are 'not anatolian'. It's not a coincidence that it's an Armenian propagating this bullshit. The underlying intention of their false lies is making you believe that you are just a confused Assyrian/Armenian assimilated into Kurdish culture. This way you will subject to their territorial claims and supremacist notions more swiftly. As for your results, they are indeed not usual for a Dersimi Kurd as most of us harbour R1a, which is an Iranic(Scytho-Median) marker. J2 and I2a2 are the other main Kurdish haplogroups and everything we know suggest that they are indigenous to anatolia, as they are most likely inherited from our Hurrian ancestors.

By the way, did you have any discussions with this Kurdish user called 'Che' on biodiversity? His knowledge draws my admiration greatly. With his great understanding of genetics, which I will never have, he contributes to the Kurdish cause and the Kurdish position of biodiversity in a most fantastic way.

Off topic: The anti-Kurdish campaign of the Armenians and Assyrians is really starting to get on my nerves now. Everytime I see their flags I am sent into a boiling rage of frustration and despair. I'm losing the edge...

The Assyrians, Turks and Kurds (and I may have forgotten some others) in that topic all helped me with my results, the only one who was really being adverse (the one you were talking about) dislikes/hates Kurds; the rest were all cool to be honest.

And yes, I've had some conversations with Che; too bad he got banned.

I'm quite proud of my results though, they show that my ancestral point lies somewhere around Hakkari (heart of Kurdistan), and that I'm most probably native to Anatolia .

Zert wrote:For those interested, my genetic results came in.
I made a thread about them on another forum, you will need an account on there to view the pictures though.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=23398

Hello brother Zert. I have a question.I really dont understand why you mention the Zaza as if they are not Kurds. And even give a thanks to these Turks who consider Zaza as not Kurds because of a handful of turkified Zaza who consider themselves turkish.

Azamat wrote:Zert, let me make something very clear. Genetics is not my area of expertise, but allow me to give you this advice. Do not give in to the lies of certain users stating that Kurds are 'not anatolian'. It's not a coincidence that it's an Armenian propagating this bullshit. The underlying intention of their false lies is making you believe that you are just a confused Assyrian/Armenian assimilated into Kurdish culture. This way you will subject to their territorial claims and supremacist notions more swiftly. As for your results, they are indeed not usual for a Dersimi Kurd as most of us harbour R1a, which is an Iranic(Scytho-Median) marker. J2 and I2a2 are the other main Kurdish haplogroups and everything we know suggest that they are indigenous to anatolia, as they are most likely inherited from our Hurrian ancestors.

By the way, did you have any discussions with this Kurdish user called 'Che' on biodiversity? His knowledge draws my admiration greatly. With his great understanding of genetics, which I will never have, he contributes to the Kurdish cause and the Kurdish position of biodiversity in a most fantastic way.

Off topic: The anti-Kurdish campaign of the Armenians and Assyrians is really starting to get on my nerves now. Everytime I see their flags I am sent into a boiling rage of frustration and despair. I'm losing the edge...

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That User Che was banned from Biodiversity by Elias the bald midget Assyrian admin because he became to annoying and knew how to react to the nonsense claimed by them. He got a QBQ ban (Quality for Quantity) you get this ban when you get to annoying for the bald admin and he doesnt know how to get rid of you.

Kurdistano wrote:

Zert wrote:For those interested, my genetic results came in.
I made a thread about them on another forum, you will need an account on there to view the pictures though.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=23398

Hello brother Zert. I have a question.I really dont understand why you mention the Zaza as if they are not Kurds. And even give a thanks to these Turks who consider Zaza as not Kurds because of a handful of turkified Zaza who consider themselves turkish.

I do consider them Kurds, as the overwhelming majority of them consider themselves so. I just mentioned it because they're a special group, and because genetically they are not entirely the same as the other Kurds.

Zert wrote:

Kurdistano wrote:

Zert wrote:For those interested, my genetic results came in.
I made a thread about them on another forum, you will need an account on there to view the pictures though.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=23398

Hello brother Zert. I have a question.I really dont understand why you mention the Zaza as if they are not Kurds. And even give a thanks to these Turks who consider Zaza as not Kurds because of a handful of turkified Zaza who consider themselves turkish.

I do consider them Kurds, as the overwhelming majority of them consider themselves so. I just mentioned it because they're a special group, and because genetically they are not entirely the same as the other Kurds.

not true brother, The zaza autsomoly speaking are the same as every other Kurd. Dont let your mind be manipulated by Haplogroups. The reason why Zaza got more of R1a1a* and I* is because there existence is mainly in 3 Regions and they could stay more homogeneous. If you read some scientific researches, you see the differences are regionally rather than linguistically. A Zaza as well Kurmanj from Amed are genetically spoken the same. While Kurmanji is the largest spoken language/Dialect, it is very usual that most non Kurdish people (Armenians, Aramaens, Greeks) were assimilated into their community. Thats why you find some more Greek, Aramaen J2 in Kurmanji speakers. Thats why Kurmanj Kurds show more affinities towards Greeks. Originally Kirmanc as well Kurmanj were the same. You can read it up in the Sherefname. Both Groups have their origins in the Dumbilis.

But you are definitely right that most Zaza consider themselves as Kurds and should mention this. Since a long time I observe how permanently racist and fascist Turks mention Zaza as if they give a damn about minorities.