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[jjmuneer]

The map doesn't group Kirmanshahi and Fayli?

kirmanshahi is by south-kurmanci -> kalhuri and fayli by gurani -> laki

Bro I can assure you no one taught me Kirmanshahi as a Fayli speaker, yet I still managed to learn it very quick. Maybe it is just the accent, because Kirmanshahi spoken by a Kurd fayli from lets say Khanaqin or Baghdad will probably make it sound more falyi. In comparison to a native Kirmanshahi speaker, which as a more persian accent.

[alan131210]

Do Sorani Kurds say Para for money? We say 'pul'. When you say "come here", do you say 'warra'? We say 'bia'.

Sorani says para while we should use pul , we say warra for come but you use a persian word for that .

Bia isn't persian lol, just because there are similiarities doesn't mean the word is Persian.

well no other kurdish dialects use 'bia' for 'come' !! not even EK soranis !!!

[jjmuneer]

Its Fayli Kurdish! I meant Bi, anyways if you don't want to learn other Kurdish then just don't view this thread. Simple as. You even said yourself you didn't understand fayli Kurdish when you went to Khanaqin. ! AGER NAXWAZED KURDI FAYLI BEZANED, HE BUCHU AREE!!! You know I love you kak Alan but seriously it is Kurdish, Bia is persian, but I meant Bi, Anyways we Kurd fayli say "tu ira bi" you come here it means. Unlike persians who say "enja biaa".

[alan131210]

its not a bad thing if you used a Persian word im not bashing you man lol , you always take my words somewhere else . we in SK use some arabic words for been attached to an arab country , so you guys will have persian words and NK turksih , but persian is aryan and i dont mind their words .

so bi means come in Fayli !!?? is it pronounced like bee ??

these are Sorani common used words

warra : come
brro : go
hat : came
rosht ; went
xera ; fast
xeraka ; be quick
lacho ; move away
la kwey ; where are you
bo kwe achi ; where r u going
danisha ; sit
hasta ; get up
axawem ; im sleeping
hastam ; i woke up
e gri ; he/she is crying
bo ; why
chon ; how
kay ; when
kwe ; where
chand ; how many
jmara ; number
kat jmer ; clock/hour
chrka ; second
xulak ; minute

[alan131210]

lut ; nose
gwe ; ears
chaw ; eyes
dem ; mouth
zman ; tongue
chanaga ; chin
ml ; neck
qach/pe ; leg
dest/des ; hands
qoll ; arms
seng ; chest
penje ; fingers
pest ; skin
mu/tuk ; hair
qj ; head hair
ninok/nuxan ; nail
bro ; eyebrow
brjang ; eye lash
leu ; lips
dan/ddan/dgan ; teeth
ser ; head
xera/pele ; quick/fast

[jjmuneer]

Yes it is pronounced Bii, but no it isn't persian because Persians pronounce it Bia. You also have to take into account actually Persian is quite corrupted by Arabic, compared to even Sorani and Fayli. Although don't say it to a persian, he'll get mad

The thing with Fayli is it is a Pahli dialect, so it is from the Parthian ancestors that settled in the region.
Come: Bi
Go:Buchu
came:Hat
Went: Chu
Move away: Buchu aree
Where are you: Tu hayd aku?
Where are you going: Tu ku achid?
sit:benish
im sleeping: axafem

The rest is pretty much the same.

[jjmuneer]

Here is a Kurd fayli singing in Kermanshahi, it still sounds like fayli. See what I mean? I couldn't tell the difference when I was in Kirmansah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvPlCl_k_c

[alan131210]

jj this is Azad Khanaqini , a gorgeous voice but he passed away RIP, you probably understand it all yeah !?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XcjQL-US0&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[jjmuneer]

jj this is Azad Khanaqini , a gorgeous voice but he passed away RIP, you probably understand it all yeah !?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XcjQL-US0&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Yes his Kermanshan song is very sad for me, because my family don't understand that my great great grand parents came from Kermanshan.

[alan131210]

bro can u tell me once and for all lol , is Fayli and Luri the same or not ??? is it like Sorani but difference dialect (sulaimani vs hewleri) !!??

[jjmuneer]

bro can u tell me once and for all lol , is Fayli and Luri the same or not ??? is it like Sorani but difference dialect (sulaimani vs hewleri) !!??

No it is not the same, but there is similarity. I can understand words in Luri, but can't say I speak it fluently. I don't know much about Lors sadly, I mean Lors in my opinion are Kurds, but Persian propaganda has brainwashed them. There is no hope for themm

[jjmuneer]

You should ask a Lor.

[alan131210]

bro can u tell me once and for all lol , is Fayli and Luri the same or not ??? is it like Sorani but difference dialect (sulaimani vs hewleri) !!??

No it is not the same, but there is similarity. I can understand words in Luri, but can't say I speak it fluently. I don't know much about Lors sadly, I mean Lors in my opinion are Kurds, but Persian propaganda has brainwashed them. There is no hope for themm

hold on , is kalhuri = luri ??

[jjmuneer]

Not that I know of, but Khaluri in my opinion is basically an umbrella term for the Palhiwani speakers, since its basically Faylis can nderstand it. Though I wouldn't trust these "language maps". People in Kirmanshan though don't group themselves Fayli, or Kirmanshahi or Khaluri, it is just kurd. In rural areas it is all Fayli/Khaluri Kurd speakers.
No lol Luri is differen't from Khaluri, Khalori speakers are North, or to the North east of Kirmanshan region, and in it. Basically we Faylis and Khalors speak the same language, it is just they are considered a different clan I think. I see however somtimes people saying Kahloris are Faylis or the other way around, though I myself see no difference.

[alan131210]

if only kirmashanis became real nationalists , it would show the mullahs kurds are kurds , and from what you tell us and what i hear and see ,they are heading into that direction , so a thumbs up , they need to catch up with their Khanaqin relatives .