Miss Kurdistan 2012

[unitedkurdistan]

Okey thanks for sharing. But still you havn't answered. When did I say persians are more SO called aryan than Kurds? Let me say again, if a kurd marries a persian will their child have more so called aryan genes than a child whose parents are a kurd and an arab. Who is more so called aryan.

Yes you did. You said East Kurds are more Aryan because they are closer to Persians. Which brings us to the conclusion that you thing Persians are "more Aryan" this is at least how I have understand it. And like I said It depends on which Arabs you mix. If you compare a Iraqi Arab with a Iranian/Persian the Persian/Iranian mix would be more comfortable. But Syrian, Lebanese Arab mix would bring out similar results as with Iranians

No not because they are closer but because it's more common they mix themself with them because of E.K's geographic location. By the way just because persians are closer to us than iraqi arabs which we are talking about not syrian or lebanese doesn't mean they are more aryan.

[jjmuneer]

Look overall Kurds are genetically closer to North Iranian then any other west Asian group. Yes we can overlap with other west Asian groups, but specifically North Iran is where we have the closest genetic ties to. Anyways the fact EK may posses higher freqeuncies of light features doesn't really mean we are more aryan or other Kurds are less. Its probably just mutation, you also have to take into account that North and South Kurds probably have a strong Hurrian component aswell, who were supposdely Brachephalics, compared to the Iranic tribes who were meant to be Dolicephalic.

[ideas]

What's wrong with being a dark Kurd? we are the coolest. You lighter ones are fake.

[Kurdistano]

Look overall Kurds are genetically closer to North Iranian then any other west Asian group. Yes we can overlap with other west Asian groups, but specifically North Iran is where we have the closest genetic ties to. Anyways the fact EK may posses higher freqeuncies of light features doesn't really mean we are more aryan or other Kurds are less. Its probably just mutation, you also have to take into account that North and South Kurds probably have a strong Hurrian component aswell, who were supposdely Brachephalics, compared to the Iranic tribes who were meant to be Dolicephalic.

Again no. The North Iranians are the ones which are the closest to us by genetics yet we cluster almost equally distinct to them as we do to other West Asian groups just "slightly" closer to North Iranian Groups.

Anyways the fact EK may posses higher freqeuncies of light features doesn't really mean we are more aryan or other Kurds are less.

Southeastern Kurdistan (the area of Kirmashan, Ilam, Sulaymaniah) are probably the darkest by eye and hair color complexions. The area of Duhok, Zaxo and Barzan in South-Central Kurdistan have higher frequency of that.

[jjmuneer]

Anyways the fact EK may posses higher freqeuncies of light features doesn't really mean we are more aryan or other Kurds are less.

Southeastern Kurdistan (the area of Kirmashan, Ilam, Sulaymaniah) are probably the darkest by eye and hair color complexions. The area of Duhok, Zaxo and Barzan in South-Central Kurdistan have higher frequency of that.[/quote]

Under what basis? (I have seen South Kurds and North Kurds in real life, as I live with them, and have seen amss pictures of them, most are dark in hair and eye. I've shown mass pictures of the people from my region, and the pahli speaking Kurds.)You cannot group Sulaymaniah with Ilam and Kirmashan, I even showed you some of my family members. Its actually the opposite, the areas of Duhok, zaxo and Barzan are the darkest in light features. Along with North Kurds, they may be lighter in skin, but in terms of features they are also the darkest. Weren't you the one who stated alot of my family can pass for north caucasian and south-east euro? The same applies to most people within the regions of west Lurestan, Ilam and Kirmanshan. I'm not denying that we are olive skinned mostly in skin complexion, but in eye and hair that is the complete opposite. Plus South East Kurds within those regions still mostly maintain their Dolicephalic component, of course I'm not staying that is a big majority, but none the less compared to other Kurds they have maintained it better. I would show you the map Coon presented, but I think we all agree that it is out-dated.

Here is his map anyway, though I wouldn't think there would me miracilous change in today's frequenicies(Lets face it though, Kurdistan as a whole will score no more then 10%, 15% at the max. Maybe in isolated regions like Luristan, Ilam and Hakkari it is slightly higher, none the less a small minority.:



Oh and regarding genetics with North Iranians, yeh I guess we do, but don't you think that it shows the origins of the Kurds, or atleast directs us in the right direction. Since North Iran was historically Median/parthian/Scythian populated. By the way don't judge me on my knowledge of genetics, I have limited knowledge of the subclades, but in regarding Kurds I guess I have knowledge that is fairly sustainble and alright.

[Kurdistano]

Your family is not representative for whole of Kirmashan and Ilam. You searched out the map which servers best your believe.

I have seen many Southeastern Kurds but have you ever seen Kurds fro Hakkari, Cewlik, Van or Bitlis?

I would rather say Southeastern Kurds tend to have lighter skin color but not Eye or hair color.

Kurds from Hakkari.

[Kurdistano]

Kurdish look can vary from Olive to Pale from tan brown to rosy.

[jjmuneer]

Your family is not representative for whole of Kirmashan and Ilam. You searched out the map which servers best your believe.

I have seen many Southeastern Kurds but have you ever seen Kurds fro Hakkari, Cewlik, Van or Bitlis?

I would rather say Southeastern Kurds tend to have lighter skin color but not Eye or hair color.

Kurds from Hakkari.

Its not because it suits my belief, its because it was constructed by Coon. Can which anthropologist created that map?

Can I ask where have you seen many South Eastern Kurds? There are barely any Pahli Kurds in Germany, even on the internet it is fairly hard to get mass pictures. Trust me my family is probably darker then the average ilami or luristani etc. If you don't think I've seen North Kurds in real life, I spend/spent time in the Kurdish community centre, there were a minority of light browned people, but mostly dark, just as most Kurds are. You may disagree with coon, but you cannot disagree with my first hand expereince. Even though I know you think I'm being bias.

As I have stated yes I have seen many Northern Kurds from all over including the places you state, I have also seen many Dersimi Kurds in real life. I live in the most Kurdish part of London, which is practically Northern Kurds, with a minority of South Kurds in it.

I have to strongly disagree its the other way around, most of them I see Kurd Faylis are generally more olive skinned than North Kurds. Whilst they are light in hair and eyes. Look it is only natural due to the history and geographic location, we are based in Media proper and Parthia exterior. Whilst Northern and Southern Kurds are have strong Hurrian element, and you know they are mostly dark haired and brachephalic. Probably similar to the Hittites actually, considering they were mostly meant to have Alpine types, along with Med.

Come on man I don't want to sound rude but those pictures are cherry picked, most of the people are dark haire, and its clear that the quite alot of the blondes in those photos have dyed their hair.

These are Northern Kurds:
These pictures prove my point that most North Kurds are pale but dark haired and eyed, with a minority of light eyes and at a lesser frequency light hair. Whilst the Kurds from my region are the opposite, tbh I think we look less "white" even with the high percentage of light hair and eyes, because we have a much more persistant Iranid component. To add the climate im Ilam, Kirmanshan and Lurestan get much hotter during the summer, which effects the skin tone, but I think naturally we are mostly olive skinned. Of course I do not deny the native Elamite component amongst some Kurds within that region. I don't know you want us to be like Georgians or something. (Just to clarify on what I mean by dark is basically having dark hair along with eyes, but tbh light eyes only doesn't make you light, because some east African groups can have blue eyes, so can Indians, they certainly aren't light by caucasian standards. Of course if light meant pale skin, then North Kurds would be up there, since NK as a whole the climate is pretty much like SE countries. Which alone doesn't determine skin tone, but is a factor none the less.)

[ideas]

Actually JJ that second picture is Slemani.

[Kurdistano]

Actually JJ that second picture is Slemani.

JJ acts sometimes really like a child.

[Kurdistano]

These are Northern Kurds:
These pictures prove my point that most North Kurds are pale but dark haired and eyed, with a minority of light eyes and at a lesser frequency light hair. Whilst the Kurds from my region are the opposite, tbh I think we look less "white" even with the high percentage of light hair and eyes, because we have a much more persistant Iranid component. To add the climate im Ilam, Kirmanshan and Lurestan get much hotter during the summer, which effects the skin tone, but I think naturally we are mostly olive skinned. Of course I do not deny the native Elamite component amongst some Kurds within that region. I don't know you want us to be like Georgians or something. (Just to clarify on what I mean by dark is basically having dark hair along with eyes, but tbh light eyes only doesn't make you light, because some east African groups can have blue eyes, so can Indians, they certainly aren't light by caucasian standards. Of course if light meant pale skin, then North Kurds would be up there, since NK as a whole the climate is pretty much like SE countries. Which alone doesn't determine skin tone, but is a factor none the less.)

JJ seriously are you making fun of me? I was talking about Van Bitlis, hakkari Cewlik. you post Photos from South/Southeast Kurdistan and claim they are Northern? The first photo you can clearly see on the Arabic writing in behind. Is from South and congratulation you managed to post the darkest Kurdish individuals you could found. The second picture is also from South Kurdistan. The third are relatively pale but they arent from Hakkari.

About the other photos I a not even sure if they are from hakkari and if they are I didnt knew that you can see the eye color of them from such a distant.


Coon? Are you for real? Coon never visited any of the areas. He did only make this maps based on assumptions.

JJ if you want to be taken serious never try such stupid moves again.

[hevalo27]

Come on man I don't want to sound rude but those pictures are cherry picked, most of the people are dark haire, and its clear that the quite alot of the blondes in those photos have dyed their hair.

most have black hairs, thats true, but many have also red and blond hairs. blue, green, yellow, brown and black eyes.
lighte and dark skin. armenoid and iranoid. .............

i have 2 brother with red hairs and one with blonde, i have black hair.
i have a aunt with 11 childs, two blond, two red and rest black hair.
another aunt 9 childs, 3 red, most blonde.
a uncle with 13 childs, 4 blonde, most black
.........

in my famaly girls are often blonde, dont know why, boys black and red
and in future i will have no hairs
hair loss

[Kurdistano]

Come on man I don't want to sound rude but those pictures are cherry picked, most of the people are dark haire, and its clear that the quite alot of the blondes in those photos have dyed their hair.

most have black hairs, thats true, but many have also red and blond hairs. blue, green, yellow, brown and black eyes.
lighte and dark skin. armenoid and iranoid. .............

i have 2 brother with red hairs and one with blonde, i have black hair.
i have a aunt with 11 childs, two blond, two red and rest black hair.
another aunt 9 childs, 3 red, most blonde.
a uncle with 13 childs, 4 blonde, most black
.........

in my famaly girls are often blonde, dont know why, boys black and red

Its not about the Hair color. Kurds have something like 10% Blond, Red or Light Brown hair. While the rest has Dark Brown and Black hair. It was about the eye color. I stated that Kurds from North have more of it and posted some individuals. he responsed by posting stupid crowd pictures where you cant even determined the Eye color of anyone. The thing is even the individuals I posted had at majority black or Dark brown hair. And he posts Dark Brown haired people as response as if its a contradiction to light eyes. As if persons with dark hair cant have light eyes. it just makes no sense thats why I got angry about him.

[jjmuneer]

@Kurdistano I made a mistake, type in 'Northern Kurds' google search, I didn't not inspect the background, but none the less they aren't atypical for NK. Do you also disagree that the rest of the photos are Northern Kurds and that they are representive of the population? Anyways I'm not disagreeing that Northern Kurds are pale, as that is what I've been saying in practically most of my posts.

I don't know why you are getting angry because I commented on your claims, I mean is the only way by dealing with my arguments by suggesting I'm somehow joking or not taking you seriously? Your the one trying to take me for a fool, as if I don't know what Kurds from other parts look like.

Your disagreeing with Coon's map? Fine by me, but who was your map constructed by? As my map may be "serving me", but isn't your map basically labelling NK and up to 40% light, whilst even the Hakkarri regions are labelled as dark, which is meant to be the opposite. Look I'm not saying your wrong or anything, but there has been a certain degree of mis-proportion and mis-representation. Thats all man.

[jjmuneer]

Actually JJ that second picture is Slemani.

They pretty much look like Northern Kurds, there geniunly isn't a big difference. I mean what is Kurdistano expecting? A massive difference in facial features or something? Even South eastern Kurds, the only thing that really "seperates" us apart is just the persistant Iranid Dolicephalic component, even then most people are mesocephalics. Even he agreed that light hair/eyes is a minority, so I geniunly see no difference.