Rojavayê Kurdistanê is NOT just the PYD 3 small cantons

[Anthea]

This man and the PYD have divided the Kurdish land in the north of Syria



Claiming only 3 small cantons

AND

Ignoring the vast majority of Kurdish occupied land in the north

WHY

Because they are NOT really interested in freeing Kurds

They are only interested in areas where there is money to be made

ALSO

By ignoring the majority of Kurdish land

They denying Kurds the right to their only seaport

Leaving Kurds forever

LANDLOCKED



Rojavayê Kurdistan NOT Rojava
Rojavayê Kurdistan as in the West part of Kurdish Land
Let Kurds all be proud of being part of Kurdistan
Let us show the world our pride in being Kurdish and never allow others
to remove the name Kurdistan from our land
"Rojavayê Kurdistan" say it, write it, share it, love it, be proud of it

Rojavayê Kurdistan

[Saipul]

You are mistaken. Salih Muslim and the PYD define Rojava as follows:



They currently only have 3 small cantons because that is all the land the YPG control. They cannot be expected to fight Assad, ISIS, and the FSA all at once. It is similar to Southern Kurdistan before the war, the KRG only controlled a sliver of land. Now it is twice the size.

[Piling]

The 'Rojava' has no geographical reality : between the 3 cantons, these are Arab areas, not Kurdish. They can't control them, as Peshmergas have a bad time trying to control Jalawla or Arab areas in Niniveh. If they want to shape a such Rojava they have to expel or exterminate all Arab landers.

Western Kurdistan is formed with 2 small parts separated from Northern Kurdistan and Cizirê could be a part of North or South Kurdistan. Alone, a 'Rojavayê Kurdistanê' is not viable, that's a fantasy.

[Shirko]

You are mistaken. Salih Muslim and the PYD define Rojava as follows:



They currently only have 3 small cantons because that is all the land the YPG control. They cannot be expected to fight Assad, ISIS, and the FSA all at once. It is similar to Southern Kurdistan before the war, the KRG only controlled a sliver of land. Now it is twice the size.

You're totally correct and don't expect to convince these secular Turkish spies (Ataturk die hard crypto lovers) here. All they ever do is insult the Kurds of Rojave and Bakur. For years they have been continuously bad mouthing the YPG army, PYD party and its leaders, and of of course all of PKK affiliates and leaders. And with all the resent battles happening with the DAESH devil rats, it is clear who are the real defenders of Kurds and their homeland.

[Anthea]

Western Kurdistan completes process of autonomy declaration

All Western Kurdistan (Syria's north) under the control of Kurdish forces has now declared self-government, after this morning the canton of Efrîn has done so. The cantons of Cizîre and Kobanê had previously self-proclaimed autonomy (last week and on Monday). Like them, Efrîn has formed a government made up of a President, two deputies and 22 ministers. Elections for the Efrîn Assembly should be held within four months.

All three cantons, according to Kurdish plans, make up a federal Western Kurdistan. The leaders of the three regions insist that Western Kurdistan will continue to be part of Syria and that different peoples living there (including not only the Kurds but also the Arabs and the Syriacs) will be respected.



Cantons roughly correspond to the three areas geographically unconnected that Kurdish forces control in northern Syria. As can be seen on the map (compiled from local sources by Thomas van Linge), regions controlled by the YPG guerrilla in yellow are Efrîn and its province (north-west Syria), Kobanê (east to the Euphrates river) and Cizîre (north-eastern Syria). In Cizîre, YPG is fighting against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Salafist guerrilla, which is linked to Al Qaeda and wants to impose an Islamic caliphate in Iraq and Syria -including Kurdistan.

The proclamation of the three Kurdish-majority autonomous cantons has been led by the Democratic Union Party (PYD, Kurdish acronym), which defines itself as a PKK "sister party". Other Kurdish parties in Syria make up a coalition called the Kurdish National Council (KNC). Valencian journalist specialized in Western Kurdistan David Meseguer explains in this article that Syrian Kurdish parties close to South Kurdistan (Iraq) President Massoud Barzani have left the coalition, but those that have remained within the KNC are supporting the proclamation of the autonomies. The KNC admits that the PYD-driven solution was required, since there was a power vacuum in Western Kurdistan following the withdrawal of government forces.

PYD President Salih Muslim says in this interview that the autonomy declarations had been agreed with the KNC. He also admitted that the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Syria (Syrian section of Barzani's party) and the Freedom Party were not involved in the autonomy process and that they would not be standing for election. Barzani, who is now Turkey's close ally, opposes Western Kurdistan process since it is led by the PYD.

[Anthea]

@ Shirko

Thank you for agreeing with me that the Kurdish area of North Syria covers a much larger area than the 3 small cantons Salih Muslim and the PYD declared as Western Kurdistan

A great many people are unaware of just how much land to the north of Syria is actually ocupied by Kurds - partly due to the fact that many Kurds living away from the Turkish/Syrian border only speak Arabic and are classed as Sryian Arabs by the Syrian regime



Lands occupied by Kurdish farms and small villages are thought to strecth even further to south than this map implies

[Piling]

Manbij a Kurdish city ?

I wonder how many people, here, put a single toe in the ground between Efrîn and Qamişlo…

Ismet Cheriff Vanly wrote a paper about the Kurdish settlement of Kurds in 'West' (not before Mongol invasion in many parts). The current good specialist about the Kurdish history in Ottoman Empire is Stefan Winter :

http://www.proche-orient.uqam.ca/cv.php

Many Kurdish regions like Efrîn were not 100% Kurdish before 18th : nomadic tribes were fixed by force in some areas by Ottoman authorities. There were Kurdish places in Homs, Hama, elsewhere, but never a 'Syrian Kurdistan'.

That are facts, not propaganda : before Islam, all Syrian lands were Aramaic countries, which were arabized. Then Kurds and Turks came later (medieval times- ottoman times).

Nowadays there are 3 Kurdish areas, separated by Arab and Aramaic places. You can say no, but as said Galileo, 'eppur si muove…'

[Shirko]

Manbij a Kurdish city ?

I wonder how many people, here, put a single toe in the ground between Efrîn and Qamişlo…

Ismet Cheriff Vanly wrote a paper about the Kurdish settlement of Kurds in 'West' (not before Mongol invasion in many parts). The current good specialist about the Kurdish history in Ottoman Empire is Stefan Winter :

http://www.proche-orient.uqam.ca/cv.php

Many Kurdish regions like Efrîn were not 100% Kurdish before 18th : nomadic tribes were fixed by force in some areas by Ottoman authorities. There were Kurdish places in Homs, Hama, elsewhere, but never a 'Syrian Kurdistan'.

That are facts, not …'

This is all BS! So pathetically, you avoid the truth and my accustions. You must see yourself as being wise and crafty and while spreading falsies and propaganda, this is probably stemming from a mental complex. Working in a library, behind a word prossesor, you recall some events, dates, names and book titles, but still without a true deeper comprehensive understanding of it all. No offense, but a parrot can almost do that.

Kurds are the most ancient ethnic group, not just in Rojava, but the entire ME and the world. The decendants of the oldest civilizations on earth. But you can not wrap your mind around the concept of overlapping cultures and boundries, here's a great summery of the ancient history of Kurds: http://www.kurdistanica.com/?q=node/2

Now answer my questions!
- who saved Yezidis in mount Shengal?
- who is saving Kobane and all Rojava?
- who helped saved even the KRG by sending their fighters in the mist dangerous areas?
- who is uniting the global Kurdish community?
- who is even getting sympathy and support from the West?

Answer the above questions and don't try to squirm your way out of them, you and your pet Anthea have to answer to all the years of wrongdoing! And with a few flicks of my thumb on the phone I can embarrass you, so don't mess with me!

[Piling]

Now answer my questions!
- who saved Yezidis in mount Shengal?
- who is saving Kobane and all Rojava?
- who helped saved even the KRG by sending their fighters in the mist dangerous areas?
- who is uniting the global Kurdish community?
- who is even getting sympathy and support from the West?

What is the link with geographic 'Rojava'?

Concerning the support of PYD, I am only concerned by Syrian Kurds' feelings, not by the dream of Kurds out of 'Rojava' who have not to bear the PYD-PKK and its ideology : most of Kurds in Syria prefer PYD than ISIS of course, but they are not happy to live under PKK' rule and its dictatorship, that's all. If they shut their mouth it is because they are afraid for their own life or family, while PKK supporters do not fear anything from other Kurds : they are the only to kill opponents, especially Kurds who do not kiss Asad's ass.

PYD did not save Rojava, if they did not practice an isolationist policy they might not have lost Kobanî area. And now Salih Muslim ran to Ankara and to Erbil to beg assistance, but denied the right to other Peshmergas (from Syria) to come to help. They accept FSA fighters but not Peshmergas. That means that they prefer to lost all their areas instead of sharing the power with other Kurds.
Obviously you don't live among Kurds to say that PYD unite your people, lol.

So at the end , PYD will lost their areas when Turkey will occupy them or ISIS. And many YPG would have died for nothing. Because they have no strategy, they just wait for Öcalan's words. And Öcalan's words are Turkey's wishes.

They are excellent fighters, everybody know that. All fanatics are. But used as the tools of a bad policy.

You could find a benefit to read the tales of anti-PYD fighters who are Peshmergas but prevented by PYD to enter in their own country :

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15603

I live among Syrian Kurds, that's the difference between you and me.

[Shirko]

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[Shirko]

Now answer my questions!
- who saved Yezidis in mount Shengal?
- who is saving Kobane and all Rojava?
- who helped saved even the KRG by sending their fighters in the mist dangerous areas?
- who is uniting the global Kurdish community?
- who is even getting sympathy and support from the West?

What is the link with geographic 'Rojava'?

look it up yourself... I don't have time to search and post maps for you! there's plenty of maps showing Rojava. Rojava Kurdistan should also include the towns on both sides of your Turkish Syrian border and also Kurdish communities that are not directly or physically linked with each other.

Concerning the support of PYD, I am only concerned by Syrian Kurds' feelings, not by the dream of Kurds out of 'Rojava' who have not to bear the PYD-PKK and its ideology : most of Kurds in Syria prefer PYD than ISIS of course, but they are not happy to live under PKK' rule and its dictatorship, that's all. If they shut their mouth it is because they are afraid for their own life or family, while PKK supporters do not fear anything from other Kurds : they are the only to kill opponents, especially Kurds who do not kiss Asad's ass.

who are the "Kurds from Syria" that you think you know all about? just because you know a few Barzani ass licking Jash Kurds , doesn't make you an official spokesman for Kurds that come from Western Kurdistan that includes more that a few "Syrian" Kurds! Rojava Kurds are not just "Syrian" Kurds. And finally, you aren't even a Kurd, but I am and you know shit about me, FO

PYD did not save Rojava, if they did not practice an isolationist policy they might not have lost Kobanî area. And now Salih Muslim ran to Ankara and to Erbil to beg assistance, but denied the right to other Peshmergas (from Syria) to come to help. They accept FSA fighters but not Peshmergas. That means that they prefer to lost all their areas instead of sharing the power with other Kurds.

you are repeating the Turkish and ISIS propaganda, that Kobane is falling and lost, shows who's side you're really on. Kobane isn't and never will be!
And also YPG is an army comprised of fighters from many diverse backgrounds and parties, they are saving Rojava and Shengal not the PYD that's more PDK BS. And there's no Peshmerga (other than independant individuals joining on there own) trying to reach Kobane or even simple humanitarian aid coming from KDP.

Obviously you don't live among Kurds to say that PYD unite your people, lol.

So at the end , PYD will lost their areas when Turkey will occupy them or ISIS. And many YPG would have died for nothing. Because they have no strategy, they just wait for Öcalan's words. And Öcalan's words are Turkey's wishes.

They are excellent fighters, everybody know that. All fanatics are. But used as the tools of a bad policy.

You could find a benefit to read the tales of anti-PYD fighters who are Peshmergas but prevented by PYD to enter in their own country :

more BS that I already addressed above

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15603

I live among Syrian Kurds, that's the difference between you and me.

Who cares where you live, that still doesn't mean that you know more than me or are on the right side supporting the Kurdish cause like me. And those Kurds that you live near and claim to be so close with, hugging and dancing naked with everybday, probably wouldn't be considered as credible representatives of the greater WK community.

So, I live in the US in a town that hardly has any Kurds in it. But I am still up to date with the global Kurdish community and all the latest evebts abd trends, thanks to the Information Age (lol). Therefore, from what in know, I can confidently vouch that you are not telling the truth. And obviously you are trying to slander me.

[Anthea]

Manbij a Kurdish city ?

I wonder how many people, here, put a single toe in the ground between Efrîn and Qamişlo…

Ismet Cheriff Vanly wrote a paper about the Kurdish settlement of Kurds in 'West' (not before Mongol invasion in many parts). The current good specialist about the Kurdish history in Ottoman Empire is Stefan Winter :

http://www.proche-orient.uqam.ca/cv.php

Many Kurdish regions like Efrîn were not 100% Kurdish before 18th : nomadic tribes were fixed by force in some areas by Ottoman authorities. There were Kurdish places in Homs, Hama, elsewhere, but never a 'Syrian Kurdistan'.

That are facts, not propaganda : before Islam, all Syrian lands were Aramaic countries, which were arabized. Then Kurds and Turks came later (medieval times- ottoman times).

Nowadays there are 3 Kurdish areas, separated by Arab and Aramaic places. You can say no, but as said Galileo, 'eppur si muove…'

There is only one other 'old school Kurd' who knows more about Western Kurdistan than Ismet Cheriff Vanly - that is Dr Jawad Mella - much of the information I have comes from him - his writings on facebook and his website:

http://www.jawadmella.tripod.com/

Also - throughout the years I have had several good friends from Western Kurdistan - I only know what they have told me about what they believe to be true - their stories come from personal knowledge and stories that have been handed down within their families

I always referred to the Kurds in Syria as the forgotten Kurds - they were the people other Kurds knew very little about

Other than the Kurds living along the Turkish border most Kurds in Syria speak only Arabic - and are for the most part classed as Arabs - it is thought that many of the Syrian Arabs are actually of Kurdish decent - as far as I know there has never been a comprehensive study and DNA comparison tests have never taken place

Syrian Kurds are the poets and philosophers - the gentlest and wisest of all Kurds

Both Piling and I have have our own sources of information and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle - it is NOT worth arguing about

Neither Piling or myself are Kurdish but our prime concern now is that innocent Kurdish lives are being lost - this should be the prime concern for everyone visiting this site