cazyun wrote:YEEEEES DEFINITLY because a large islamic union would solve the ethnity and communications problem betwen muslims. the old islamic empire after prophet muhammed saw was a society were no rasim or other language problem exsisted..the borders and far connection betwen people was created by west.. a islamic empire would strenghten the muslim brothaship and sistaship + the sunni and shia problem wouldnt be focused on.. a democratic union with canditates and represants from each province like turkey, marocko,pakistan
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..
Parsi wrote:Ok since we are going off topic on other threads - let's discuss this here.
Are you for a large Islamic State/Empire like during the Caliphates of Islam - yes or no? And why?
Obviously this state would be based on Islamic law and other Islamic traditions...
Parsi wrote:cazyun wrote:YEEEEES DEFINITLY because a large islamic union would solve the ethnity and communications problem betwen muslims. the old islamic empire after prophet muhammed saw was a society were no rasim or other language problem exsisted..the borders and far connection betwen people was created by west.. a islamic empire would strenghten the muslim brothaship and sistaship + the sunni and shia problem wouldnt be focused on.. a democratic union with canditates and represants from each province like turkey, marocko,pakistan
No racism? Really?
During the first Caliphate of Islam (Umayyad) Arabs were the dominant race and all others were referred to as "Wahabis" or "Ejems."
"Be watchful of Iranian Muslims and never treat them as equals of Arabs. Arabs have a right to take in marriage their women, but they have no right to marry Arab women. Arabs are entitled to inherit their legacy, but they cannot inherit from an Arab. As far as possible they are to be given lesser pensions and lowly jobs. In the presence of an Arab a non-Arab shall not lead the congregation prayer, nor they are to be allowed to stand in the first row of prayer, nor to be entrusted with the job of guarding the frontiers or the post of a qadi"
http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/iran/mutual.htm
"The Mawali were not allowed to lead the prayers or receive booty even if they had participated in battles and distinguished themselves. They were not allowed to ride horses, marry into Arab families, or administer governmental or religious affairs. Even the offspring of mixed marriages were not exempt. The Mawali did not have the right to walk alongside an Arab; if a Mawali met an Arab carrying a load, he had to carry that load to the Arab's home without expecting any payment. If a Mawali were riding a horse and saw an Arab, he had to dismount and allow the Arab to ride instead. In fact, he had to take the Arab to his destination. Furthermore, the Mawali did not have the right to marry their daughters without prior permission from their Arab masters. Even in death rituals, there was a distinction. As a rule, Arabs did not participate in funerals held for the Mawali and the Mawali were not allowed to perform funeral prayers for a deceased Arab"
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Geography/samanid.htm
To this day, in some Arab countries Iranians are referred to as Ejems. I remember going to Ahwaz as a child and this Arabic woman shoing me away call me an Ejem...Why don't you go and tell HER and people liker her that there is no racism amongst Arabs and Iranians.
We Iranians are no saints either - but the fact of the matter remains: Arabs and non-Arabs will not get along because of their turmoiled past and because of the VAST cultural differences.
Parsi wrote:I read some of the second one - what the heck does that have to do with my post?? You just copied and pasted random stuff about Islam.
Piling wrote:I agree that too long post are dull and who has the courage to read them ?
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..
Arin wrote:kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..
Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.
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