Juden Kurdëstane (Cudên Kurdistanê) [Jewishs of Kurdistan]

[Emanoel Natawaparwar]

The Assyrian & Babylonian Exiles
A significant majority of the Ten Tribes of Israel who constituted the northern Kingdom of Israel during the Biblical Period were taken into captivity by the Assyrians in 721-715 BCE. They were deported to areas adjacent to the place of exile: Media, Assyira and Mesopotamia. This area is roughly what is today called Kurdistan.
The Babylonian .....



The Jewish Roots of Kurdistan
The history of Judaism in Kurdistan is ancient. The Talmud holds that Jewish deportees were settled in Kurdistan 2800 years ago by the Assyrian king Shalmaneser. As indicated in the Talmud, the Jews were given permission by the rabbinic authorities to allow conversion from the local population. They were exceptionally .....


Kurds are the Closest Relatives of Jews
In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people -- more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. The researchers sampled a total of 526 Y-chromosomes from 6 populations (Kurdish Jews, Kurdish Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazic Jews, and Bedouin from southern Israel) and added ....

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Bijî Kurdistan

[womanizer]

Kurds are the Closest Relatives of Jews
In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people -- more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. The researchers sampled a total of 526 Y-chromosomes from 6 populations (Kurdish Jews, Kurdish Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazic Jews, and Bedouin from southern Israel) and added ....

Dear Emanoel Natawaparwar,


As far I know,from israli perespactive the result of test was with Israeli who their ancestor(or themselves) originally come from European countries, as we know today Israeli citizen (as Jewish) come from world wide including African countries.
So if that is case, ,Kurds as indo-European race, and Israelis who lived European for 100 0 years,those European jewish migrant , it may have mix indo-European blood due to integration , it is real possibility. I mean logically African Jewish and European Jewish cant be same genes

[womanizer]

sorry for multiple post

[womanizer]

also i think in kurmanci we use term of : kurdistan Jewish( or Jeiwsh of Kurdistan)
we say: Juyen(Joyen) Kurdistane(dont have kurdish fonts in this pc to write fully in kurdish) .

but i would use:

Juyen(Joyen) rather than "Judan"

[womanizer]

correction:
Juyen==Cuyen(Coyen)

[Diri]

sorry for multiple post

Problem solved!


In my dialect we say: Cuhûyên Kurdistanê...


From Wikipedia:

Genetic and Ethnic Origins
Main article: Genetic origins of the Kurds
According to a recent genetic study, the ancestors of the Kurds were from an old Mediterranean substratum, i.e. Hurrian and Hittite groups and that Kurds have no mix with an Aryan invasion which was supposed to have happened about 1200 BC. "It is concluded that this invasion, if occurred, had a relatively few invaders in comparison to the already settled populations, i.e. Anatolian Hittite and Hurrian groups (older than 2000 B.C.). These may have given rise to present-day Kurdish, Armenian and Turkish populations."[25].

In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that among the various Jewish communities, the Ashkenazi Jews showed a closer relationship to the Muslim Kurds than to the Semitic-speaking population further south in the Arabian peninsula, while the Jewish Kurds and Sephardic Jews seemed to be closely related to each other. Most of the 95 Kurdish Muslim test subjects came from northern Iraq. Moreover, according to another study, the CMH (Cohen modal haplotype) is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. [26] In another study, Kurdish Jews were found to be close to Muslim Kurds, but so were Ashkenazim and Sephardim, suggesting that much if not most of the genetic similarity between Jewish and Muslim Kurds descends from ancient times [27].

Genetic distance comparisons have revealed that the Turkic and Turkmen speaking peoples in the Caspian area cluster with the Kurds, Greeks and Iranis (Ossetians). The Persian speakers are genetically remote from these populations, they are, however, close to the Parsis who migrated from Iran to India at the end of the 7th Century A.D.[28]

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "The Persians, Kurds, and speakers of other Indo-European languages in Iran are descendants of the Aryan tribes that began migrating from Central Asia into what is now Iran in the 2nd millennium BC."[29] According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, the Kurds, as well as other migrant ethnic groups of the region, are of the "least mixed descent of the original Iranians." [30] However this classification is based mainly on linguistic and historical data and

[missIndependent]

thanx for both articles guys
great infos for other fella kurds

her biji Kurdish-Jews

[KCF]

An ancient tradition relates that the Jews of Kurdistan are the descendants of the Ten Tribes from the time of the Assyrian exile (6th century BCE). The first to mention this was Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela, the 12the century traveler who visited Kurdistan in about 1170 and found more than 100 Jewish communities who still spoke Aramaic. The traveler Benjamin the Second, who visited Kurdistan in 1848, also mentioned this tradition and added that the Nestorian (Assyrian) tribes were also descendants of the Ten Tribes and that they practiced some Jewish customs. During the Second Temple era, the kingdom of Abiabene was situated in this region; its inhabitants, together with their king, Monobaz, and his mother Helena, converted to Judaism in the middle of the first century, and it is likely that some Kurdish Jews today are descendants of these proselytes.

In recent centuries, the economic situation of Jews in Kurdistan was difficult and their living conditions highly instable. They were largely cut off from the outside world, but were known for their strength and sturdiness. Those living in cities engaged in commerce and crafts, while those dwelling in the mountains engaged in farming. Their religious life was centered around the synagogue and talmud torah (religious school). Like the Nestorians in the area, they spoke an Aramaic spiced with Turkish, Persian, Kurdish, Arabic and Hebrew words, which they called “the language of the Targum” (the Aramaic translation of the Bible) and which the Arabs call jabali, or “the language of the mountains.” In the 20th century, the urban Jews of Kurdistan adopted Arabic as their principle language, but those in the mountains continued to use Aramaic.

Immigration to the Land of Israel began as early as the 16th century, with the first immigrants from Kurdistan settling in Safed. In the 20th century, Kurdish immigrants arrived in the 1920s and 30s and by 1948 there were some 8,000 Kurds in the country. After the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, almost all the Jews of the Iraqi Persian and Turkish parts of historic Kurdistan were airlifted to the new state in 1950-51 in an operation known as “Magic Carpet.” They settled in many towns and villages, with the largest number living in and around Jerusalem. Few had any formal education; many continued to engage in agriculture. Initially they had a rather low public image and there were the brunt of many jokes.

Today, the Kurdish Jewish population in Israel is over 150,000, with the largest concentration in and around Jerusalem. The immigrants in the early days of the state were largely traditional, as there had been no process of secularization in Kurdistan. Today, the majority of young Kurdish Jews are educated and secular, define themselves as “Israeli” rather than Kurdish, and have abandoned many traditional Kurdish customs. Only the elderly still speak Aramaic and/or Arabic, while the younger generations have adopted Hebrew as their principal language. Fifty years ago most of the Kurdish Jews in Israel married within their community; today most young Kurds marry members of other ethnic Jewish communities. In recent years, many Kurdish Jews have achieved high positions in the army and civil service, among them the former Minister of Defense, Yitzhak Mordechai.

One tradition that many Kurds, including many young people, still maintain is the celebration of the Saharana. Although the central focus of this uniquely Kurdish festival is the transition from winter to spring, only the Iranian Kurds hold their Sharana celebrations in the spring during the intermediate week of Passover. All the others celebrate in the intermediate week of Sukkoth, which is in the fall. Kurds from all over the country gather in one village and spend an entire day in nature, dancing, singing, drinking and consuming great quantities of traditional Kurdish dishes, including kubah, chicken stuffed with minced meat, grape leaves and lentils.

[Hydrolyze]

Just wanted to say hello all. This is my first post.

I came to learn a ton here.

[Barış]

Just wanted to say hello all. This is my first post.

I came to learn a ton here.

Welcome to RBK!

Are ya a Jewish/Kurd?

[BC2000]

Actually when the Ethiopian jews migrated to Israel, the Israeli government was highly sceptical towards these "black jews" It wasn't until the 1970's that Israel actually accepted Ethiopian jews to be "real" jews. My grandparents were one of many, prior to 1970, that tried to pay a visit to Israel, but was not granted entry.

The reason the Israeli changed their minds was that they started DNA testing Ethiopian jews and found very clear indicitations of jewish genes.

So yes, you can find a genetical similiarites between white, blonde, blue eyed european jews and african jews, that determines that they are the same people. Same thing applies for white, blue eyed kurds to dark skinned kurds.

[thearabchildren]

I'm a Jew, and my wife is a Kurd, so between us we have a Kurdish Jew? Anyway, all this talk about genetics is pointless. We can only prove so much, and everybody's all mixed up anyway. The Jews in Kurdistan may well be part Israelite, but like all other Jews, they are probably heavily mixed with local people. I recommend the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand, for the various origins of various Jewish groups (also a pretty good starting point for a discussion about any nation's mythological "origins": http://megaupload.com/?d=LPDCK41A

That being said, I can't help but be curious about Kurdish Jews/Jewish Kurds. I would like to know more about their culture. I found this a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6NkMEFkh3Y

[Djembe]

I'm a Jew, and my wife is a Kurd, so between us we have a Kurdish Jew? Anyway, all this talk about genetics is pointless. v=i6NkMEFkh3Y

Another pointless thing is that how 'Genetics' could determine our 'social, political, cultural, personal identity' I mean there are Osama like Orthodox Jews, or Mandela like liberal Jews. There are Islamists Kurdish people with lots of common with sunni Arabs from Arabia. There are Alewi Kurdish look more like Che Guevara. Genetics may determine how we look but not how we think. No?

[Kurdikon]

I recommend the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand,

Who invented the Jewish people and when? Is there no Jewish people?
Is the Jewish people just a fib like the "Palestinian people?"

[Barış]

Welcome to RBK, Kurdikon!
Hope to see many more posts from ya.