THINK JESUS

[Diri]

Hmmm... Ellinas.. I am sorry - but you are wrong... In Islam women are not "half" of what a man is... A woman is just as much worth and her testimony is just as much worth... There is a site you should have a look at... Sorgul made a link to it - it is a very good site - because it clears up ALL the myths related to Islam...

For example - In the Holy Quran it doesn't say "beat your wife when she has done something wrong" - but it does say so in the Holy Bible...

The problem with Islam is: it is in the WRONG part of the world All the backward men live there... They are CAVEMEN! And they are abusing Islam! Islam is about love, devotion and compasion...

Prophet Jesus said - If someone hits you - give him your other chin... And that you should forgive your enemies and pray for them... These things were also said by Prophet Mohammed...

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are three religions with so to say ALL in common - the only difference between them are the Prophets - and the way they percieve GOD...

And by the way - what you were talking about was "GOD, JESUS, AND THE HOLY SPIRITE"...

Look at Kurds - we are secular Muslim - we have different values from our neighbours the Arabs... Who generally have a conservative and outdated view on Islam... Look at Iran - it is ruled by some idiots who lie and say they are Imams - These things are the PEOPLES PROBLEMS... THEY CREATED THE PROBLEMS!...

I hope the US bombs every town in Iran Syria and Turkey... (Not the Kurdish ones though- oh and yes - I need to be moral - AND FOR GOD'S SAKE - THEY SHOULD NOT HIT CIVILIANS!!! )

Check this out... and click on "WOMEN IN ISLAM" on the left sidebar...

http://www.submission.org

[ellinas]

i am too glab that you inform me with all that. i really see the islam by another side of bad hadit islamic countries. i must recheck by start the islam by Kurdish view, and as you tell me look like more clear side. maybe the real one? who knows, i hope! why i have to look again? No, i will not change religion. BUT, is good to know as more i can about religions. believe me that i have take a look all religions there are. i end i have many theories. and if you place me to any religion, i can saw you that is real one. i can proof you for any religion that is the best. hehe. i have about now 2 theories to make you think.

1. a prophet say that all gone to same way at end. who means that every religions at end go to 1 god. that can mean so much. i too long to analyze it.

2. as you can think religions religions, have you ever think why religions make? behind the ordinary reason i have think many more important. Also what about atheism? listen again "atheism" listen like another way religion who believe to own self. or a just atheism... why i have to abuse it and believe to a religion? i can tell you why you must not believe and proof you, and i have to proof you why to believe. is all into my mind. all comfuse. hehe.

this is a very small who i post about this subject.

by other side. listen one more:
jesus is a historical person by all nations accept it, they not say if is something religion of or something, but just a historical person that exist.
about Mohammed no were write into history books, but only in muslim religions. no one really knows if he exist or not. is accept only like Prophet by islam countries. about this, i can't denny, as i tell you to another post, the power nation writes history. and now history write by usa. we like it or not thats how come. as you see is all so many and weird.

also:

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you write:
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE - THEY SHOULD NOT HIT CIVILIANS!!! )

i really not like the face. CUZ, kurds stay back cuz other barbarian nations not leave them to continue them civilization. as i tell to a previous post, if make the Kurdistan at whole and all be ok, maybe after lot of years with so many problems, BUT at end i sure believe that kurdistan will be the one shine star of middle east.
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grrr... i again again i run to another topic! haha! i can't believe it.

[Diri]

Ellinas... That face was just a ironic face...

In war nobody is safe... So the face was there because I though "Ha - that will never happen"... Because if they bomb somwhere - they will definetly hit some civilians...

Reality is that civilians will be hurt any day any way... And in all freedom struggles we have to pay with blood... many millions of Kurds have died till today for Kurdistan - and many more will die in the future... This is tha price for Freedom and independence...

[Mosul]

ellinas why doesnt your country allow us to build a Mosque, we all know theres muslims in greece.

[Sir Don DeCarleone]

Think Jesus, Jesus was an SOG ( son of a gun or son of a god) it goes either way. He is alive , in our hearts, souls & asses. Wonder how god phucked virgin Mary?.

[ellinas]

Sir Don DeCarleone:

i read most of your posts. and as well, if you abuse your friends, what will happen with your emeny?
when you not respect someone and also the religion of everyone, then don't talk about that they are bad to you. before you have to talk, you must know to respect. is you can't respect, then no one will respect you.

i don't know who are you, but your nation is shy for people like you. and every nation shy about people like you.

is just a message this. i not plan to answer of any of your questions and everything. you are not people who deserve the look.

[Jamo]

Sir Don DeCarleone you are an idiot.

This is for you.

There is no peace without Jesus! Jesus is great! Jesus always wanted peace whereas Mohammad was a fighter who killed a lot of people and had sex with his 23 wives inluding 6 year old Aysha. Nowadays we would call Mohammad a rapist or physcho.

[Piling]

quote]Jesus always wanted peace [/quote]


But who said : "I don't come to bring peace but war ?"

Who said : "Those who are not with me are against me ?"



(no no it is not George Bush)

[Diri]

Jamo...

This is a forum for every religion and every culture and every sex and every color...

Therefore we cannot tolerate statements like the one you have posted... You should not give Elewîs a bad name... By saying disgusting things like this about Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him), you are only creating hate for Elewîs...

I don't think I need say anything else... And I hope you understand the importance of being positive towards other religions, cultures and people and not attacking what others believe in...

[Piling]

By the way, Shah Ismâ'îl the Safawî, who founded alevism, was not precisely a peaceful leader... Moreover I wonder, from a theological poiint of view - how Alevis deal the fact that one of their main religious figures changed his religion later and became a Shiite.

[Diri]

By the way, Shah Ismâ'îl the Safawî, who founded alevism, was not precisely a peaceful leader... Moreover I wonder, from a theological poiint of view - how Alevis deal the fact that one of their main religious figures changed his religion later and became a Shiite.

Okey - this all casts some new light on my little knowledge of the Elewî...

Elewî are Shia Kurds, Azeris and perhaps some Persians - who at the time after the Battle of Chaldiran (when Sultan Selim captured, with the help of Sunni Kurds, all of Sunni Kurdistan and also Azerbaycan of Iran)...

So the Elewî have a history and legacy of being Shia... Hence their name and their theology...

Alewî is a better name than Elewî at this point - when "Alewî" means "supporter of Alî"...

[Saipul]

You can't tolerate Jamo's statements but you will tolerate a person who says that Christians think God had intercourse with a woman? God created the world and you think he can't create life inside a womb? What an absolutely narrow and biggoted mindset that is. God is absolutely sovereign over the world.

[Diri]

You can't tolerate Jamo's statements but you will tolerate a person who says that Christians think God had intercourse with a woman? God created the world and you think he can't create life inside a womb? What an absolutely narrow and biggoted mindset that is. God is absolutely sovereign over the world.

What is your problem?

If you have a complain about something somebody has said, please PM one of the moderators - Piling, Dyaoko or me... We will deal with the matter if it indeed it offensive (from a neutral point of view)...

The moderators are like any other member of this forum; human - and therefore can 1) make mistakes and 2) not always be 100%...

So please have some patience, and direct me to the thread and post where "a person who says that Christians think God had intercourse with a woman"... Please!

[Piling]

yu will tolerate a person who says that Christians think God had intercourse with a woman?

It is God's private life, not yours !

[Piling]

Elewî are Shia Kurds

No, they are not Shi'a... Shah Ismâ'îl, before Chaldiran, was considered as an emantion of God, and Qizil Bash belived that he could not be defeated. For that reason, at Chaldiran battile, Qizil Bash riders charged Ottoman cavalry with an absolute and mortal courage... And they were crushed by canon, artillery and all modern weapons used by Ottomans. For Qizil Bash refused to use modern weapons, thinking that Shah Ism^'aîl was more powerful, as Muhammad defeated all his ennemies with Angels' battalions, you know...

But after Chaldiran, Qizil Bash tribes realized that their leader was not God. And in another time there were conflict between them and Iranian SHiite nobles. They began to contest Shâh Ismâ'îl 's power. Then at the end, the Shah massacred the Qizil Bash and embraced Shiia to restore his own power in Iran.

But in Ottoman empire, Qizil Bash-Alevis, were still believing in their "divine leader" and waited for his return, even after his death, even after he has changed his faith. Many decades later some "false" Shah Ismâ'îl agitated Anatolia, pretending to liberate Qilzil Bash tribes...

But of course at a moment, Alevis had to admit that Shâh Ismâ'îl had let them and became Shiia', and changed all his former religious theories. So I wondered how Alevi theologians had dealed this delicate problem.