Well done Kurds, do not comment!

[Zert]

No way in hell should anyone be imprisoned for stating their opinion. He gave his views on Islam, so what? Is that forbidden? Isn't it better to talk about, question, theorize and discuss about religion than to simply shut up and follow what is being said by religious leaders like you're some kind of sheep?

Look, I'm not a muslim, never will be, I'm a Kurd first, and regard myself more or less as a cultural Alevi too; so this will sound biased coming from me, but be rational now. I don't know why people are so quickly offended anyway; if you're so convinced of the truth of your religion, then write your own piece to counter the article!

He didn't even mock the religion, did he? How many of you have actually read his article?

[talsor]

No way in hell should anyone be imprisoned for stating their opinion. He gave his views on Islam, so what? Is that forbidden? Isn't it better to talk about, question, theorize and discuss about religion than to simply shut up and follow what is being said by religious leaders like you're some kind of sheep?

Look, I'm not a muslim, never will be, I'm a Kurd first, and regard myself more or less as a cultural Alevi too; so this will sound biased coming from me, but be rational now. I don't know why people are so quickly offended anyway; if you're so convinced of the truth of your religion, then write your own piece to counter the article!

He didn't even mock the religion, did he? How many of you have actually read his article?

We are still looking for it without luck .

[alan131210]

i personally think islam is religion of arabs , and in the quran it confirms this as well ; (ina anzalna quranan arabian lianakum ta'Qilun)

which means ; we have sent an Arabic Quran so that arabs can grow some sense and brain !

so it was not meant or sent for kurds at all , so we should have stuck to our old religion of Zardashti , oh well we are paying the price now .

when Islam took over kurdistan they use to abuse our women , kill us if we dont convert etc . in Jalawla many women were taken to Makka and when they popped babies out of them , in the street the kids were condemned upon and called "dirty" .

[talsor]

i personally think islam is religion of arabs , and in the quran it confirms this as well ; (ina anzalna quranan arabian lianakum ta'Qilun)

which means ; we have sent an Arabic Quran so that arabs can grow some sense and brain !

so it was not meant or sent for kurds at all , so we should have stuck to our old religion of Zardashti , oh well we are paying the price now .

when Islam took over kurdistan they use to abuse our women , kill us if we dont convert etc . in Jalawla many women were taken to Makka and when they popped babies out of them , in the street the kids were condemned upon and called "dirty" .

It does not mean that though , the verses " إنا أنزلناه قرآنا عربيا لعلكم تعقلون" along with '' الأعراب أشد كفرا ونفاقا وأجدر ألا يعلموا حدود ما أنزل الله على رسوله والله عليم حكيم" was meant to put the arabs down .

Islam and Christianity are cocktail religion and it is for everyone .

[kani]

I don't have anything against islam but some people just "over do it" ! Our kurdish people needs to have more tolerance and educate themselfs better.
Those mullahs who are talking have no proof that what they are saying si true or not. Some mullahs also dscriminate christians in Kurdistan by calling their religion and beliefs "false"and that women should all wear hijabs and not show their skin that much and blablabla. Hope our people be more open minded in the future.

[Cewlik]

Some mullahs also dscriminate christians in Kurdistan

But Many christians in Kurdistan are also racists, they insult Kurds and are Baathists, in the past they support the killing of Kurds. Even now where Kurdistan helps them they dont stop to insuliting Kurds.

[talsor]

Some mullahs also dscriminate christians in Kurdistan

But Many christians in Kurdistan are also racists, they insult Kurds and are Baathists, in the past they support the killing of Kurds. Even now where Kurdistan helps them they dont stop to insuliting Kurds.

You are mixing politics and religion here . Christians are discriminated against by those fanatics because they are Christians not because they are/were baathists . If the mullas care so much about Kurd and Kurdistan why do not they talk about what is happening to our brothers and sisters in Iran and Turkey ? why they do not declare jihad on them or even demonstrate .

They are very quick sending their donkeys and dogs in the street in Southern Kurdistan to destroy public properties because of an article , but you wo'nt hear a beep from them if Iran hanged 1000 Kurds every day .

Majority of them are nothing more than viruses within our society and they want nothing more than turning Kurdistan to another Iran or KSA .

[Cewlik]

You are mixing politics and religion here.

No I mix nothink, I say only that there is no Racisim against Christans in Kurdistan, the truth is that there is a Assyrian (who are christans) racisim against Kurds. They also insult us as Kurdish islamic fascists. And they support Saddam, only because he was a secular dictator who mostly kill Kurds and love christans. And Saddam dont recognized them as assyrians he only recognized them as christan arabs and they still love him. So you can not say that it has nothink to do with religion.

If the mullas care so much about Kurd and Kurdistan why do not they talk about what is happening to our brothers and sisters in Iran and Turkey ? why they do not declare jihad on them or even demonstrate.

And you know all Mullas, or how you can know that they dont talk about that. Of course they should talk about that and criticize this barbarism against Kurds. But to declare jihad will not help the Kurds.

Most of the Kurdish Seroks who fight for Kurdistan are also Muslim leaders like Sheikh Mahmud Barzanji, Sheikh Said, Qazi Mohammed, Mullah Mustafa Barzani etc.

[talsor]

No I mix nothink, I say only that there is no Racisim against Christans in Kurdistan, the truth is that there is a Assyrian (who are christans) racisim against Kurds. They also insult us as Kurdish islamic fascists. And they support Saddam, only because he was a secular dictator who mostly kill Kurds and love christans. And Saddam dont recognized them as assyrians he only recognized them as christan arabs and they still love him. So you can not say that it has nothink to do with religion.

Yes you did , read your own words .

But Many christians in Kurdistan are also racists, they insult Kurds and are Baathists, in the past they support the killing of Kurds. Even now where Kurdistan helps them they dont stop to insuliting Kurds.

You just validate mulla's terror action against Christians by calling them Baathist and now you say that mullas are not racist against Christians ? and by the way not all Christians in Kurdistan are Assyrian . Majority of them are chaldean and they are peace loving people ,but did that save their properties from being destroyed by those wild dogs ?

And you know all Mullas, or how you can know that they dont talk about that. Of course they should talk about that and criticize this barbarism against Kurds. But to declare jihad will not help the Kurds.

Show me which one mulla is in Iran or turkey and fighting for muslim Kurds ? and why not declare Jihad , why not demonstrate against the tyranny and barbarism ? Shouldn't they follow the teaching of Muhamad and Quran or is it a matter of convenient or perhaps it applies when KSA or Iran ask for it ? and tell me Cewlik how is that going to hurt kurds ?

عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال : سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : من رأى منكم منكرا فليغيره بيده ، فإن لم يستطع فبلسانه ، فإن لم يستطع فبقلبه ، وذلك أضعف الإيمان . رواه مسلم

Most of the Kurdish Seroks who fight for Kurdistan are also Muslim leaders like Sheikh Mahmud Barzanji, Sheikh Said, Qazi Mohammed, Mullah Mustafa Barzani etc.

what is your point ? off course they were muslims .

[Cewlik]

and by the way not all Christians in Kurdistan are Assyrian. Majority of them are chaldean and they are peace loving people

And all Mullahs are terrorists and against christans???

Why you dont answer me? Do you know all Mullahs, or why you know that they not talk about kurdish rights?

You just validate mulla's terror action against Christians by calling them Baathist and now you say that mullas are not racist against Christians?

I validate nothink, I say only that there are MANY (not all) christan racists. You are the one who talk like all Mullahs are terrorists.

what is your point ? off course they were muslims.

No not only Muslims, they are Muslim leaders. My point is, that they fight for Kurdistan with a national movement and not with declaring Jihad. With declaring Jihad we will end like in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Show me which one mulla is in Iran or turkey and fighting for muslim Kurds ?

Civil Friday Prayer in north Kurdistan, out from the mosques which are controlled from turkish state. They do it every friday. All the Mullahs there demand rights for Kurds in north Kurdistan and freedom in the mosques, because the state prompt what the Mullah must say and they use that for their policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jqbk99H978&feature&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdoz4sas5Ts&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[talsor]

And all Mullahs are terrorists and against christans???

Their action speak for itself in Iraq , iran , turkey , KSA and so on . Islam is a virus and mullas are the host of the virus .

Why you dont answer me? Do you know all Mullahs, or why you know that they not talk about kurdish rights?

and do you know all christain for you to label them as baathist or Kurd hater ? and please tell me which Islamic party is defending Kurdish rights who ? Ansar al Islam or may be al quaida ? . You can bury your head in the Sand all you want to and pray behind your mullahs day and night , but when the bullets start flying in the air you are viewed as a kurd and nothing more , because there is no such thing as Islamic brotherhood . If there was we would have heard a statement of condemnation from ONE single Islamic country to what saddam did to Kurd during halabja and Anfal .

I validate nothink, I say only that there are MANY (not all) christan racists. You are the one who talk like all Mullahs are terrorists.

did you count them and what is the percentage ? How many mosques did they bombed or burned to the ground and how many civilian did they kill ? Now reverse the question and apply it to the mullahs and their followers . It should not be hard .

No not only Muslims, they are Muslim leaders. My point is, that they fight for Kurdistan with a national movement and not with declaring Jihad. With declaring Jihad we will end like in Afghanistan and Pakistan./quote]

lol , Yep they were fighting the infidels and spreading Islam on the land of Kurds . Who are you kidding ? and what does Kurdish national movement have to do with Islam ? and even if they declared jihad which Muslim country would have come to their rescue , please do tell .

Civil Friday Prayer in north Kurdistan, out from the mosques which are controlled from turkish state. They do it every friday. All the Mullahs there demand rights for Kurds in north Kurdistan and freedom in the mosques, because the state prompt what the Mullah must say and they use that for their policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jqbk99H978&feature&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdoz4sas5Ts&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

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do you even understand Kurdish ? These prayer were made outside the mosque to protest Turkish state edited speeches during Friday prayer , So what the hell that have to do with Kurd and Kurdistan ?

[jjmuneer]

Look its not the fault of religon , its the people. You don't see me running around burning bibles or killing athiests. Practically all my friends in real life are athiests, it really doesn't bother me what your belief is. There are consequences for every action, and I'm not talking about hell. If you drink, your messing up your own liver, if you smoke you mess up your own lungs, if you gamble your throwing away your money. Thats just common sense, and it doesn't take religon to tell me that. (I'm not religous, but I really just don't understand what the point of this is)

Anyways Zert what do you mean present an argument? Man how the f**k am I meant to present an argument for religon is correct, or no-religon isn't? (I'm not taking it out on you, I'm just saying) I really however don't feel the need to defend religon or attack it, because you guys/girl are making it something bigger than it is. Anyways were a middle-eastern people, I doubt the man on the street will really know statistics of how many Kurds are muslims or how many aren't.

[Cewlik]

and please tell me which Islamic party is defending Kurdish rights who ? Ansar al Islam or may be al quaida ?

Both are not parties and Al Qaida is not Kurdish. Kurdish Islamic parties like the Kurdistan Islamic Union or the Party from Muhamed Maschuq Al-Xeznewi in Syria defending Kurdish rights. And maybe they will also establish a Kurdish Islamic party in Norh Kurdistan this year.

PS: I am not a follower of any islamic party, but is is not fair to say all of them dont defending Kurdish rights.

How many mosques did they bombed or burned to the ground and how many civilian did they kill ?

Many, because many christans were high ranking army officers in the Baath era, many of them kill thousands of Kurds and bomb Kurdistan like Tariq Aziz. The same in Syria.

Even the christan refugees in Kurdistan talk from the "good" old days with Saddam.

lol , Yep they were fighting the infidels and spreading Islam on the land of Kurds . Who are you kidding ? and what does Kurdish national movement have to do with Islam ? and even if they declared jihad which Muslim country would have come to their rescue , please do tell .

It is very difficult to discuss with you, you are the one who want that they declare Jihad, and I am against that, And as a example I show you all Kurdish Muslim leaders who fight in a national movement, without declaring Jihand.

do you even understand Kurdish ? These prayer were made outside the mosque to protest Turkish state edited speeches during Friday prayer , So what the hell that have to do with Kurd and Kurdistan ?

The same again. Look what I am write, I alredy say that they pray outside the mosque to demand Kurdish rights and to protest the Turkish state, because you ask me if there are any Mullahs who demand rights for Kurds, thats why I show you these Mullahs.

[talsor]

Both are not parties and Al Qaida is not Kurdish. Kurdish Islamic parties like the Kurdistan Islamic Union or the Party from Muhamed Maschuq Al-Xeznewi in Syria defending Kurdish rights. And maybe they will also establish a Kurdish Islamic party in Norh Kurdistan this year.
PS: I am not a follower of any islamic party, but is is not fair to say all of them dont defending Kurdish rights.

Look , I do not know where you get your information from but KIU , Ansar alIslam , Islamic Movement of Kurdistan , Kurdish Hezbullah are all part of a campaign of destabilization in Kurdistan . They all preached extremisim and fixed Islamic principles are reference to work and source of political inspiration of the values .
They have nothing to do with Kurdish aspiration for independace and freedom . For them Islam is freedom . You remember what IMK used to do in Halabja, Tawella, and Panjwin near the Iranian border. Driving to their terretories was like entering the Taliban's Afghanistan .

They are very well financed and have plenty of money to spear . You are an islamist and there is no way to convince you , but kindly do not tell me that Islamic parties give a damn about Kurds and Kurdistan and so far you have failed to give me one example , so I will leave it at that .

Many, because many christans were high ranking army officers in the Baath era, many of them kill thousands of Kurds and bomb Kurdistan like Tariq Aziz. The same in Syria.
Even the christan refugees in Kurdistan talk from the "good" old days with Saddam..

You are mixing things up and confusing yourself . We are talking about civilian and you are telling me about Iraqi military . Yes there were Christians in Iraqi military and there were turkman and many kurds too including hundred of thousand of Jashes who participated with saddam , so what are you trying to say ? why single the christains out ? because killing kurds is Ok as long as it is done by Muslims , but not Christians
? .

It is very difficult to discuss with you, you are the one who want that they declare Jihad, and I am against that, And as a example I show you all Kurdish Muslim leaders who fight in a national movement, without declaring Jihand. .

It is very easy to have a discussion with me , but you just do not want to admit it . No islamist will fight with kurds for Kurdistan period and they are without exceptions puppets to Iran and KSA . even the blind and the deaf can see that , so I really failed to understand what is it you are trying to prove ?

Does the islamic world give a damn about kurds "
Did they condemn Halabja and Anfal ?
Do you see them condemning turkey or Iran ?

You obviously do not even understand what Jihad is and when does it apply otherwise you would not hesitate to declare it yourself . But like everything else it is a matter of convincent for Islam and Islamic country . They declare jihad when a book is burned ,but it is ok if 200 thousand kurds are killed .

The same again. Look what I am write, I alredy say that they pray outside the mosque to demand Kurdish rights and to protest the Turkish state, because you ask me if there are any Mullahs who demand rights for Kurds, thats why I show you these Mullahs.

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They are not demanding kurdish rights . Watch the videos heval and see if there is even a mention of Kurds . Their prayers outside the mosques is an Islamic protest towards turkish state and has nothing to do with Kurds and Kurdistan .

[Cewlik]

KIU , Ansar alIslam , Islamic Movement of Kurdistan , Kurdish Hezbullah are all part of a campaign of destabilization in Kurdistan .

Again Ansar al Islam and Hizbullah Kurdi are not political Parties, nobody is denying their terrorist acts against Kurds. But you dont can compare KIU with them. And there is also Maschuq Al-Xeznewi who is tortured to death from the syrian regime because he demand rights for Kurds.

Belive me or not, I am not follower any islamic Party.

killing kurds is Ok as long as it is done by Muslims , but not Christians ?

You exactly know what i am say also against racist Turks and Arabs.

They are not demanding kurdish rights . Watch the videos heval and see if there is even a mention of Kurds . There prayers outside the mosques is an Islamic protest towards turkish state and has nothing to do with Kurds and Kurdistan .

Look my friend, they start this civil Friday prayers outside the mosques more then 1 year ago, they make many statmants, they demand freedom in the mosques, because the Imams must say what the turkish state purports them, with this way the turkish state use the religion for their politics, they also demend rights for Kurds, they criticize the turkish state terror etc.

If you say It is not enough, I will agree with you, but you talk like all kurdish Mullahs and Imams are against Kurds and Kurdistan, I know you dont say that but you talk like that. But you right, I also make a mistake with calling all iraqi christans baathists.