how to become christian?

[eugenlitwin]

hundreds of iranians convert to christianity. the majority of iranian refugee I dealt with in turkey were converted christians. Not syriac or armenian : ex chiites who became christians.

can you tell me a bit more about it?

[eugenlitwin]

Thanks! king will be "Kral" in turkish. latin root I think....funny though it's Kiraly in hungarian (yeah well I have to learn it...this language is weird but whatever)

POlish karal, belarusian karol,

[Vladimir]

I don't think Tom comes on this forum anymore. Refugees also pretend to be gay, in order to get a passport. These include Kurds from "Iraq".

[eugenlitwin]

I don't think Tom comes on this forum anymore. Refugees also pretend to be gay, in order to get a passport. These include Kurds from "Iraq".

yes in did

[sicpit]

Of course it is. Yezidism came from a sufi order, al 'Adawiya, which was not specifically Kurdish at the beginning.

That is ONE of the theories...

Another is that Ezdanî came from Zerdeshtî...

I really don't believe that it came from Zerdeshti, Sheik Adi was a sufi this is a fact. He was a great fan of al'Adawiya, as well as al Hallaj whom wrote the Tawsin al Azazel(if you haven't read it, please do yourself a favor and read it) and many more. I ponder since Sheik Adi was from Lebanon, if he was influenced by the Druze at all. I would like to learn more about this sect whom also forbids converts and believes in reincarnation as well

I am going to light a fire in Paradise and to pour water on to Hell, so that both veils may vanish altogether from before the pilgrims and their purpose may be sure-

[sicpit]

Of course it is. Yezidism came from a sufi order, al 'Adawiya, which was not specifically Kurdish at the beginning.

That is ONE of the theories...

Another is that Ezdanî came from Zerdeshtî...

I really don't believe that it came from Zerdeshti, Sheik Adi was a sufi this is a fact. He was a great fan of al'Adawiya, as well as al Hallaj whom wrote the Tawsin al Azazel(if you haven't read it, please do yourself a favor and read it) and many more. I ponder since Sheik Adi was from Lebanon, if he was influenced by the Druze at all. I would like to learn more about this sect whom also forbids converts and believes in reincarnation as well

I am going to light a fire in Paradise and to pour water on to Hell, so that both veils may vanish altogether from before the pilgrims and their purpose may be sure-

[Diri]

So you are saying that there was no Yazidis before Şêx Adî?

See that is the reason you say Yazidi faith can't be a branch of Zoroastrianism... Because you choose to believe that Yazidi faith was somehow established around the myths of Şex Adî...

I doubt that to be the truth of the matter - as Yazidi faith is built around similar "truths" and ceremonies as the Zoroastrians... Yazidi faith is even in some cases believed to be older than Zoroastrianism - which I personally believe to be true - as the practices and customs of Yazidi faith reveal strong and old bonds to Abrahamic religions...

[sicpit]

So you are saying that there was no Yazidis before Şêx Adî?

See that is the reason you say Yazidi faith can't be a branch of Zoroastrianism... Because you choose to believe that Yazidi faith was somehow established around the myths of Şex Adî...

I doubt that to be the truth of the matter - as Yazidi faith is built around similar "truths" and ceremonies as the Zoroastrians... Yazidi faith is even in some cases believed to be older than Zoroastrianism - which I personally believe to be true - as the practices and customs of Yazidi faith reveal strong and old bonds to Abrahamic religions...

well, this is really a tought questino, and I think all this is bassed off theory. There are definitely some strong similarites between Ezidi and Zoroastrianism. I see more similarities with Ezidi and Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) at one time Zorastrianism and Hinduism use to be one, then the Iranian and Indians became enemies and the rest is history. In India they still have a Parsi comunity. I think though that during all of this the kurds or at that point Hurrians could have been effected more so by the Indians rather than by the Iranians. Just a theory. I believe that the peacock is a symbol of bad luck in Zoroastriansim, and in Hinduism it's a symbol of good lock. Most of the Hindu gods have some sort of symbolism of a Peacock.

There is lots of Abrahamic traditions as well as customs and beliefs. They seem to be in between both. Best of both worlds. All this is speculation,

[Diri]

So you are saying that there was no Yazidis before Şêx Adî?

See that is the reason you say Yazidi faith can't be a branch of Zoroastrianism... Because you choose to believe that Yazidi faith was somehow established around the myths of Şex Adî...

I doubt that to be the truth of the matter - as Yazidi faith is built around similar "truths" and ceremonies as the Zoroastrians... Yazidi faith is even in some cases believed to be older than Zoroastrianism - which I personally believe to be true - as the practices and customs of Yazidi faith reveal strong and old bonds to Abrahamic religions...

well, this is really a tought questino, and I think all this is bassed off theory. There are definitely some strong similarites between Ezidi and Zoroastrianism. I see more similarities with Ezidi and Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) at one time Zorastrianism and Hinduism use to be one, then the Iranian and Indians became enemies and the rest is history. In India they still have a Parsi comunity. I think though that during all of this the kurds or at that point Hurrians could have been effected more so by the Indians rather than by the Iranians. Just a theory. I believe that the peacock is a symbol of bad luck in Zoroastriansim, and in Hinduism it's a symbol of good lock. Most of the Hindu gods have some sort of symbolism of a Peacock.

There is lots of Abrahamic traditions as well as customs and beliefs. They seem to be in between both. Best of both worlds. All this is speculation,

No, you are right - Kurds do have a more Indian influence...

If you look back at history - you can read of the Mitanni - who were migrants from India/Pakistan...

And still today, "Metin" is a boys name among Kurds (Turks naturally borrowed it ¤caugh¤Imeanstole¤caugh¤ the name) and we have songs dedicated to "Lawkê Metînî" and then there is the Metîn tribe too...

So they have made their presence felt - at least in Northern Kurdistan, where you will find the more "dark-aboriginal" toned (as they often are refered to) Kurds... In fact - some Kurds, you could swear they are from India by first impression of appearence!!!

But let's be fair: Abrahamic religions are not original... They took from the already existing religions of the area... For example - baptizing was a normal ritual in the Middle East, practiced by the Yazidi and other sects long before Christianity even existed...

For example for easter - the egg (which is sacred in Yazidi faith) has become a symbol of renewal - has just always been of importance for the Yazidi as a symbol of renewal of life in with Newroz and the coming of spring... And the painting of the eggs - and egg-wars (I posted a thread about this) was a very widespread custom in Kurdistan...

[sicpit]

Yes many, many customs and traditions as well as stories were borrowed from other beliefs. Easter has been celebtraited through out the world, as well as Christmas. It's all astrology, you could find these holidays being practiced in Pagan Europe as well Mesopotamians had many of hte same stories as did the jews, mesopotamians were here first. Abraham was a Sumerian out of Ur, He probably worshiped the Gods Shamash and Enki and other ancient gods. All religions borrow from eachother...

Thats cool that there are kurds who look like Indians, There is no proof of this claim, but I think Hinduism use to apart of Kurdish religion.
-Biji Ezidi

[Diri]

Yes many, many customs and traditions as well as stories were borrowed from other beliefs. Easter has been celebtraited through out the world, as well as Christmas. It's all astrology, you could find these holidays being practiced in Pagan Europe as well Mesopotamians had many of hte same stories as did the jews, mesopotamians were here first. Abraham was a Sumerian out of Ur, He probably worshiped the Gods Shamash and Enki and other ancient gods. All religions borrow from eachother...

Thats cool that there are kurds who look like Indians, There is no proof of this claim, but I think Hinduism use to apart of Kurdish religion.
-Biji Ezidi

Yeah - you're right... Today we tend to think "Christianity" if somebody says "Easter" and "Islam" if somebody says fasting...


I like your theory... And I find it very interesting - considering the war between India and Persia... Why it's interesting? Because it's as if the Persians will make sure the Kurds don't have any controll at all at any cost - since 500 BC...

[sicpit]

I like your theory... And I find it very interesting - considering the war between India and Persia... Why it's interesting? Because it's as if the Persians will make sure the Kurds don't have any controll at all at any cost - since 500 BC...

I love Persians, they are good people, but I can't stand their Islamic republic of Iran! I love the name Iran by itelf, the "land of the Aryans" no offense to you, as this is no cheap shot at any religion, but how come they have a semetic religion in the land of the aryan? Islam although a religion for all, was originated by the Semite Arabs?


Question, Do you think If Iran ever became secular that Kurdistan should unite with the land of the Aryans? Iran is made up of a lot more than just Persians, and most are Indo Iranian. Kurds are Indo Iranian, so could you under any circumstances accept the land of the Aryans as a country and lands like Persia, Kurdistan, Balachi(sp) etc as states within Iran?

I don't have any views one way or another, just a thought though

[Diri]

I like your theory... And I find it very interesting - considering the war between India and Persia... Why it's interesting? Because it's as if the Persians will make sure the Kurds don't have any controll at all at any cost - since 500 BC...

I love Persians, they are good people, but I can't stand their Islamic republic of Iran! I love the name Iran by itelf, the "land of the Aryans" no offense to you, as this is no cheap shot at any religion, but how come they have a semetic religion in the land of the aryan? Islam although a religion for all, was originated by the Semite Arabs?


Question, Do you think If Iran ever became secular that Kurdistan should unite with the land of the Aryans? Iran is made up of a lot more than just Persians, and most are Indo Iranian. Kurds are Indo Iranian, so could you under any circumstances accept the land of the Aryans as a country and lands like Persia, Kurdistan, Balachi(sp) etc as states within Iran?

I don't have any views one way or another, just a thought though

Why should I be offended? You don`t think that I like IRI, do you?

I think Persians can be nice - but many of them are sooo arrogant and I hate it when they try to own us Kurds - because "mâ hame Irâni hastim" - "We are all Iranians"... How stupid... Just because we are of the same linguistic group, doesn't mean they can own us...

As for Aryans - you should know that after the Islamic conquest, the Mongol and Turkmen hordes, there would be little left of any "purity" and "Aryanism"... So there is realy, truly nothing as an "Aryan" person...

Now I personally, as 99% of Kurds am interested in having my rights as a Kurd - and that means I will push for federalism and cultural/political organization in Iranian Kurdistan...

I have been thinking about the matters which you speak of for a long time now - and I've concluded, that most Kurds are more interested in their own part of Kurdistan, rather than the whole of Kurdistan as a united country...

Look at Southern Kurds - many of them are very arrogant and have forgotten the greater cause, because now they have their own lands liberated, so there is no need for pan-Kurdish rhetoric anymore - to help them... In fact, if they truly wish to be successful now, they should cut links to all other Kurds and their organizations - to serve their own interests... And the arrogant ones among them refere to Southern Kurdistan as simply "Kurdistan" - and Iranian Kurdistan is suddenly "Iran" and Turkey's Kurdistan" goes by the name "Turkey" among them... So I am not much impressed by their mentality... Un-educated perhaps... I hope so...

But anyway - to get to the point, Sicpit - yes, I want to use Iran... I want to make Iran a TOOL for Kurds... I want Iran, as the only ethnically, linguistically and culturally close country - to help the Kurds in North, South and Western Kurdistan... But that will only happen when Iran is a FEDERAL country...

So first off, I and Kurds in Iranian Kurdistan, will push for our own rights - and then, we can later use Iran as the regional super power it is, to push the Arabs and Turks into leaving the Kurds to their own fate and desicions...

As for your question: Yes, I can imagine being in a UNION with the Persians, Balouch and other nations in Iran... We should form a Union, consisting of each our state: Kurdistan, Pars, Balouchestan etc... But that will only happen when all of Kurdistan is liberated... It will serve our economical and geographically landlocked lands to build a Union between these states, because we need healthy relationships with our neighbours in order to succeed...

[sicpit]

so does anyone think a union with India would benefit the Kurds, or hurt them? India isn't the strongest military, but goddamn it if they don't have numbers

[Diri]

so does anyone think a union with India would benefit the Kurds, or hurt them? India isn't the strongest military, but goddamn it if they don't have numbers

You mean like an alliance or economical union?

Because they are very distant from eachother in most senses - except culturally...