Jesus predicts Muhammed in bible

[Kulka]

kaka gyan - bible consists of two books - so called Old testament and New testament - in the new in fact there are love and peace, but read the Old one - full of blood, wars and other nice things. i think that christianity, which includes catholic church has more victims in its record through the ages than any other religion. in the mid ages so called "Holy wars" (mainly against muslims) took a lot of victims and also in the same time the institution called "Holy inqisition" killed thousands of people, mostly women accused of using magic. the same institution was busy with converting so called non-believers to catholics. if you refuse to be catholic, straight away you was enemy. sometimes the victims were just people who heal others using herbs. what is the most bad things is that they didnt just killed people, but they had pleasure to torture them very badly and the most common way of killing was in the flames, which is not the most nice death. the history of christianity includes the most dark pages in all religious branch.
i dont agree that you need religion to be good man. its not the matter of creating your own rules - but to recognize the universal rules which are the same for all people, no matter which religion they belong.

[ocmentos]

kaka gyan - bible consists of two books - so called Old testament and New testament - in the new in fact there are love and peace, but read the Old one - full of blood, wars and other nice things.

I actually learned it ALL in school ) the old testament includes punishments and techniques clearly said to not be done again.

i think that christianity, which includes catholic church has more victims in its record through the ages than any other religion. in the mid ages so called "Holy wars" (mainly against muslims) took a lot of victims and also in the same time the institution called "Holy inqisition" killed thousands of people, mostly women accused of using magic. the same institution was busy with converting so called non-believers to catholics. if you refuse to be catholic, straight away you was enemy. sometimes the victims were just people who heal others using herbs. what is the most bad things is that they didnt just killed people, but they had pleasure to torture them very badly and the most common way of killing was in the flames, which is not the most nice death. the history of christianity includes the most dark pages in all religious branch.

When did this happen? during a time when people couldn't even reach the bible, it was only for the popes and the elite to read it. the Pope totally used it for their own benefit. let's take purgatory, there is NOT one verse were purgatory is mentioned not one, yet the popes introduced it out of nowhere. Dante in the 13th century mentions the corruption of the pope and their lies.

i dont agree that you need religion to be good man. its not the matter of creating your own rules - but to recognize the universal rules which are the same for all people, no matter which religion they belong.

universal rules really? according to the Talibans according to their morals they are doing the right thing, they are pleasing God. According to Muslims there is nothing wrong with polygamous marriage, in fact the prophet himself did so. According to Hindus killing a cow is utmost immoral. How much does this sound absurd for the western values?! you can not say there is a universal value in everyone's mind. my conscious is different than yours, what I find immoral you find moral and vice versa. so if everyone is non-religious but believes in God.. each one's god is reflective of their world view. That's what happens when religion breaks down, each one creates their own you can not say you are not religious you are, it is just that you have created your own religion for yourself

[Kulka]

no matter when it happened - but it happened. people used to be killed in the name of God. people today are still killed in the name of God - under the religion banners, so what is better in following the religion than in not following it? you said - no religion makes the people to create theirt own morality. basha, but every religion already has its own moral system. you think its better if i will crash the airplain full of people in the name of Allah or i will kill the indian tribe in amazon Jungle in the name of Jesus or its better if i will not follow any of them and just be good person, dont hurt anyone and treating others with respect? i will insist that people have some universal rules in their minds, given by God - but the different manner thay behave (polygamy, not killing cows, etc that you mentioned) is caused by religion and social systems in which the person is born and growning up. Abnormal individuals will alweys create strange systems of value and ways of behaviour - for example killing one virgin girl evry month might be a normal behaviour for someone, but anyway for majority its crime and patology - n o matter which religion or society. how do you think why for majority that would be the act of brutality? coz i think its just because of that universal values, which you posses. some muslims consider sex before marriage as som,ething unacceptable, while others doing that as their habbit - within the same religion. at the same time me, (who are nor muslim nor christian), my kurdish friends who work with me (who are muslims), my supervisor (who is christian) - we all agree that kill someone is a crime. so its not the matter of religion.
poligamy? a lot of christians practice that but in secret - they have wifes/housbands and have sex with other woman/man at the same time - its not the matter of religion, its the matter of personality. maybe islam legitimizes polygamy to reduce the rate of sinners

[Kulka]

by the way - creating my own religion... yes, it depends what you are willing to call "religion" - for me it might be my love for Kurdistan, for others "education", "money" - anything, but what it has to do with God? nothing. thats why by "creating religion" i will mean only something which refers to God.

anyway its great to discuss like that, coz on some other website the most common thing that i can read from my dear kurdish boys is - "Hello sweety, give me your number"

[ocmentos]

let me ask you this questions. you belief that the standard of truth is the majority. you say that what the majority thinks of morality is the real morality. how about this in Saudi Arabia the majority will support the death of someone who has spoken against God. so according to the laws of majority their morals are true because they are the majority. hhh the concept of majority determining truth totally breaks down. let's say hypothetically the majority if the people vote that the morals of the minority is correct logically no more is morality based on the majority but it is based on the minority because it has been voted on by the majority. hhh you see all sense goes when you use the laws of majority to determine truth. Truth is universal it goes far above what i and you think is. If all the people believe that the world is flat does it make the truth of the world being flat valid? do human beings determine truth or is truth something above all what humans believe or think. So the morality of an action ( speaking in terms of a morality based on a non-changing universal God) is it based on human beings (majority) or is it something not for humans to decide? kulka xan Is truth according to majority? .. I am just opening this subject because I think these kinds of questions are healthy to ask and feeds the mind to debate over them ) nothing else

[Kulka]

i didnt mean that the majority determinates the truth, but that the truth determinates the majority. honestly i dont know how to explain to you what i mean, specially in a language which is not my first language.
and also by majority i didnt mean just one nation or one society, but much wider.
i hope you finished or you are still study at any good university, coz it would be a big loose for Kurdistan if you didnt do that - if you know what i mean.

[ocmentos]

well did you know that before the arrival of Christianity, the majority of people were pagans finding child sacrifice and temple prostitution not only moral but a way to please the gods all throughout the world. In the 16th century these things looked very horrifying in the world and very immoral, but in the Americas because Christianity hadn't reached them, they were still practicing these things when the Europeans reached them

[ocmentos]

I will always stay in Kurdistan ) and help it as much as I can,.. for sure

[Kulka]

i wonder all the time how can help being outside of Kurdistan?

(is payam tv station safe or still in danger, coz i dont have any news)

[ocmentos]

i wonder all the time how can help being outside of Kurdistan?

(is payam tv station safe or still in danger, coz i dont have any news)

last night it had gotten disruption (ته‌شویش) but no it hasn't been attacked.. but xarika tek achim by Stupid hawleris and Duhokis who keep supporting PDK. this is how they have always been even back during Saddam's time they would support him!!! and now they get all the money... It is sad how the life works.. about 250,000 kurds from Slemani died (200,000 anfal, 15,000 halabca, 17,000 pesshmarga) while only about 16,000 hawler and Duhoki Kurds combined have died. and yet we are called anti-kurdish Cause and not respectful of Kurdish death!! you seriously want to peel off your skin from their propaganda. My mother and sister haven't been to the market since the time the troops have been brought everyone is mad. just watch MICI xalk on NRT.. out of 20 people 18 call and say they are not with troops being brought. but in Zagros it says everyone in Slemani is so happy with these troops and look how they are giving candies to the troops.. ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! I swear we can't take it!! xarika dillman shaq aba!!

[Kulka]

in Kurdsat they also say the same, i know kaka gyan that there is almost no independent media, and those who are independent like NRT i dont have acess to - i only have internet, i can only watch the ones which are available online. but you know i think if they had to bring so many forces to that small place like Saray Azadi it only show how in fact weak they feel and how much afraid of words. Words, not stones. I think words are more dangerous for them than stones. its like this guy who throw shoe to erdogan - security was busy first of all to stop his mounth not hands, as he shouted VIVA KURDISTAN! - i saw this on video, they try hard to put kands to cover his mouth. definately words are more dangerous than stones - nobody throwing stones on Maydani Azadi, but the most of forces are there, dont let people to speak. shame.

[ocmentos]

in Kurdsat they also say the same, i know kaka gyan that there is almost no independent media, and those who are independent like NRT i dont have acess to - i only have internet, i can only watch the ones which are available online. but you know i think if they had to bring so many forces to that small place like Saray Azadi it only show how in fact weak they feel and how much afraid of words. Words, not stones. I think words are more dangerous for them than stones. its like this guy who throw shoe to erdogan - security was busy first of all to stop his mounth not hands, as he shouted VIVA KURDISTAN! - i saw this on video, they try hard to put kands to cover his mouth. definately words are more dangerous than stones - nobody throwing stones on Maydani Azadi, but the most of forces are there, dont let people to speak. shame.

I know... but Kulka xan the forces aren't just in Sarai Azadi.. they are in every corner and street where people gather to socialize.. if more than 4 people gather just to talk they will be broken apart... It is a definite dictatorship. when did this guy throw this shoe.. do you have video I wanna see hh

[Kulka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JiR1agYIU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[ocmentos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JiR1agYIU

WOW!

[Kulka]

world is full of differences, while one kurd is throwning shoe to erdogan the other is inviting him for a cup of tea but whatever - VIVA KURDISTAN!