What does sunni muslims think about Shia Islam??

[raman82]

Didnt Saddam kill 200 000 kurds , why would you support the existence of such a piece of shit, even though by irony he would unite Kurds . True , the Iranian regime was brutal but I dont think they killed on the mass scale as Saddam did. So the Kurds in Iran , have the been forced into Shiasm??

[Piling]

Well the most famous Sufî sects - and the oldest ones might I add - are Sunni... Not Shia... "Shiaism" is a reconstruction of history... Although there was no counscious movement in the early 2-300 years - later Shia followers have created an anacronistic story of their past...

In fact in a historical point of view Shi'a appears quite immediately if not at Muhammad's death, at least when 'Uthman was killed and Ali was contested. But concerning the spirituel and mystical shiism and its links with sufism, it is not clear to discern at which time both movements appears clearly, they seem to rise quite simultaneously. A sign showing that sufism could have taken its inspiration from Shi'a is that the silsilah of most tariqat lead always to Jaffar Sadiq the 6th Imam and at the end to Ali. But shiites reproach to sufis to replace the figure of Imam as "Bab" or "Gate to salvation by the Sheikh's intercession.

Moreover, many sufi orders and later shia"s marefat (gnosis) were both influenced by pre-islamic currents, like Sabean, manicheism, zoroastrism, etc. So it is difficult to now if their common features mean that one was the source of the others, or if they have the same source. For example, now I am reading Ismaelian literatures (Nizari shiites aka Fatimid and people from Alamut). Some parts of their faith have surprisingly common features with Yezidism...

[Diri]

Didnt Saddam kill 200 000 kurds , why would you support the existence of such a piece of shit, even though by irony he would unite Kurds . True , the Iranian regime was brutal but I dont think they killed on the mass scale as Saddam did. So the Kurds in Iran , have the been forced into Shiasm??

Raman - read what I said... And that is NOT it...

May God punish that piece of shit in hell...

[Feyli_kord]

So the Kurds in Iran , have the been forced into Shiasm??

Yes , during safavid times everyone in iran was forced to convert to shiasm , only certain minorities stayed unconverted. Actually alot of feyli kurds in iran were nestorian christians until forced convertations under the safavid reign.

[saami]

Shiasm was established as the official religion of Iran during the Safavid Dynasty (they were Azeri Turks) so Iran could be seperate from Ottoman Turks; and once again Islam was forced on everyone regardless of their ethnicity; so now Iran went from being Sunni to Shia.

Honestly, I am sick and tired of this whole thing; Sunni, Shia, who cares! In the words of Ahura Mazda and my parents, "Good thought and good deeds and you have must love and respect everyone; to judge somebody is a major sin in itself."

As for Saddam and Khomeni, both are bastards! Khomeni murdered Kurds and Iranians out of radicalism and because of the Shah having ties to the CIA; then Saddam, with the handshake of Rumsfeld, invaded Iranian Kurdistan and killed millions of innocent people that were Kurd and Iranian. Saddam also used chemical weapons on Iran and then used the same gas on Iraqi Kurds. So both parties are crap and I don't believe in choosing either sect.

In this day and age, the most important value of any religion is to appreciate the other person for who they are.

As for me being Persian, Iranian, whatever I do identify myself as half Muslim, but not a Sunni, or a Shia; in fact, I identify myself as a Parsi (since my dad was born in Kerman) who strives to do good things that are found in the Quran and questions things that is not right because of its principle; I am also finding some literature on Zoroaster.

Islam is part of Arabic culture and it has nothing do with my heritage or Iran. The fact is both Kurds and Persians followed the same God; and after the invasion of Islam by Arabs and Turks things changed.

I have had Arabs make remarks about me being Shia and Persian (I was called a fire worshiper) and they have said some very harsh things; I have also had Turks make comments about Persians and Kurds not being human and are animals; seriously nobody asked me if I wanted to be Sunni or Shia; I am not an Arab to be Sunni and I am not a Turk to be Shia.

Seriously what am I? I don't know anymore. But I do know that I have love and respect for Kurds.

By the way Turkey claims to be Sufi but yet Turkey uses inspiration from Mawlana and he was born in Balk, Afghanistan which was the birthplace of Farsi culture.

Furthermore the Mujahaddin-e-khalq fought for Saddam (those freakin bastards) and now they are off the terror list in England; now they are trying to pressure the United States to take them off the list. As for Shah Pahlavi, the guy was put into power through a coup that was supported by the United State and the British and he was just a corrupt, puppet.


So for me, as a Persian or whatever, to fight with a Sunni Kurd is so stupid when Islam has nothing to do with our heritage.

[veanandjean]

I just want to know what you think about it, and why you/they believe that Sunni is the realer than Shia.

I dont want to start an argumenting discussion, but you can post arguments of why you think one is realer than the other and i just want to see your views on the two versions of Islam

Shia belief: Black book, earth revolves around head of devil, self beating once a year (abu sifyan's tribe's tradition).

Really it is equivolent to how christians feel about mormans LOL.

To be honest the religions of shia adn sunni are so different they shouldn't be called the same religion. I don't hate anyone. I find the shia religion more amusing than the sunni religion. Do you know how the shia religion got started and why it is only around iraq and part of iran. Its a very intresting story.

[veanandjean]

As for me being Persian, Iranian, whatever I do identify myself as half Muslim, but not a Sunni, or a Shia; in fact, I identify myself as a Parsi (since my dad was born in Kerman) who strives to do good things that are found in the Quran and questions things that is not right because of its principle; I am also finding some literature on Zoroaster.

Islam is part of Arabic culture and it has nothing do with my heritage or Iran. The fact is both Kurds and Persians followed the same God; and after the invasion of Islam by Arabs and Turks things changed.

I have had Arabs make remarks about me being Shia and Persian (I was called a fire worshiper) and they have said some very harsh things; I have also had Turks make comments about Persians and Kurds not being human and are animals; seriously nobody asked me if I wanted to be Sunni or Shia; I am not an Arab to be Sunni and I am not a Turk to be Shia.

Seriously what am I? I don't know anymore. But I do know that I have love and respect for Kurds.



So for me, as a Persian or whatever, to fight with a Sunni Kurd is so stupid when Islam has nothing to do with our heritage.

dude will you calm down a bit?? Being Kurdish is not a racial thing its a cultural and national thing. Were you born in Kurdistan? Do you indulge in Kurdish culture? If yes then you are kurdish. Easy, its all chemicals and genetics and meat in the end. Believe me, No human isn't mixed. Every single human is mixed in this world. There is no such pure race. Its never been about race. You cannot be half muslim, that doesn't make sense. You be who you want to be. its your choice because you are human. Personally if you are Zerdeshti, indulge in that and stick to it. Its one of the oldest religions in the world and a very good and lovly religion.