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PostAuthor: missIndependent » Mon May 08, 2006 4:10 am

it just makes me lough when i hear ppl talkin bout hell or heven, therez no hell or heven, those doent exist, the real one is in this world that we'r living in :)

no offence to anyone'z opinion =)
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PostAuthor: Fortuna » Mon May 08, 2006 11:03 am

it just makes me lough when i hear ppl talkin bout hell or heven, therez no hell or heven, those doent exist, the real one is in this world that we'r living in

no offence to anyone'z opinion =)


Sometimes this life is heaven, and other times its Hell.

Im not a muslim, but i have to admit that i find Islam a beautiful religion, and to be honest its not a lot differant to christianity i found that out after reading both the Bible and the Quran.

Everyday i question if there is a God or not, if there is, then why does bad things happen? Why does God allow this? Im talking about the tsuami earthquake as much as the 9/11 attacks on america, and the 7/7 attacks on London, so if there is a God why did he let so many innocent people suffer??.

My feelings are that we are bought up to follow our parents beleifs, and as we get older we are then able to judge for ourselves and follow whichever religion we feel is right.

Remember there is only 1 God, so doesnt that tell you something?
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PostAuthor: Diri » Mon May 08, 2006 3:03 pm

Fortuna wrote:
it just makes me lough when i hear ppl talkin bout hell or heven, therez no hell or heven, those doent exist, the real one is in this world that we'r living in

no offence to anyone'z opinion =)


Sometimes this life is heaven, and other times its Hell.

Im not a muslim, but i have to admit that i find Islam a beautiful religion, and to be honest its not a lot differant to christianity i found that out after reading both the Bible and the Quran.

Everyday i question if there is a God or not, if there is, then why does bad things happen? Why does God allow this? Im talking about the tsuami earthquake as much as the 9/11 attacks on america, and the 7/7 attacks on London, so if there is a God why did he let so many innocent people suffer??.

My feelings are that we are bought up to follow our parents beleifs, and as we get older we are then able to judge for ourselves and follow whichever religion we feel is right.

Remember there is only 1 God, so doesnt that tell you something?



The reason there is EVIL in this world, is because we are not in PARADISE...

Adem û Hewa (Adam and Eve) sinned. So God exiled humans to the Earth. On Earth - we are supposed to prove that we are worthy of Paradise in the next life...

So all the EVIL in this world - is meant to test us... We are gonna be confronted with a lot of EVIL - and depending on what we choose (fight evil or promote it) we will end up in Heaven or Hell...

People who cause harm upon others, those who deny Gods existence etc. will be punished for their sins - because doing evil - is sinful...

Anyway - too heavy stuff for a forum... :P
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon May 08, 2006 7:27 pm

People who cause harm upon others, those who deny Gods existence etc. will be punished for their sins - because doing evil - is sinful...


I don't think that someone, if God exists, will go to hell because he is an atheist. Or do you believe that God is a bad tyrant without respect for freedom of opinions ? :)

as Omar Khayam said, paradise and hell are in everybody's heart, believer or not...
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PostAuthor: missIndependent » Tue May 09, 2006 3:25 am

Piling wrote:as Omar Khayam said, paradise and hell are in everybody's heart, believer or not...


Biji Khayam :)
so true!
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PostAuthor: dyaoko » Tue May 09, 2006 5:48 am

Piling wrote:
People who cause harm upon others, those who deny Gods existence etc. will be punished for their sins - because doing evil - is sinful...


I don't think that someone, if God exists, will go to hell because he is an atheist. Or do you believe that God is a bad tyrant without respect for freedom of opinions ? :)

as Omar Khayam said, paradise and hell are in everybody's heart, believer or not...


Diri ! do you say that God creates human, and then god who is absolute power and chooses all our destinies and all the things that happen are by his Will , makes a human to be athehist, and then that God himself creates a Hell for that poor human , and then God himself sends him to hell , and then that God himself would feel proud of himself ?

hm.... I wouldnt feel proud of myself if I had done such a stupid thing.
waste of time . he could at first make a hell and send the poor human to hell directly .

+ Piling do you read Omar khayam ? he is GREAAAT !!!
did u read him in french or persian ?
by the way Hejar has translated Khayam's poems to Kurdish (and it is a very good vlaueable translation almost as good as the source)
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then YOU WIN !
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PostAuthor: Piling » Tue May 09, 2006 6:34 am

I red him in French. But I think I should try a bilingual version Persian/French for Persian is not so hard to understand with a few help.
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