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PUK's leading member speaks at BDP ceremony, calling on Turkey to release Ocalan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... _SOVEjgNUg

Great speech, I like this guy even more. He doesn't give a shit about turkey and doesn't sugar coat.

kurdistanis1 wrote:Great speech, I like this guy even more. He doesn't give a shit about turkey and doesn't sugar coat.

Exactly, we need more kurds who aren't afraid of saying the wishes of every kurd around the globe.

Mala Baxtiyar always says it like it is. He said that Assyrians will not get autonomy and frankly told them to stop twisting history.

ideas wrote:Mala Baxtiyar always says it like it is. He said that Assyrians will not get autonomy and frankly told them to stop twisting history.

Seriously? This guy sure uses the freedom of speech

Guys I think there is much more behind this ´as we think. PDK/PUK are in coalition. I think while PDK had to hold a speech for AKP, and as compensation PUK is holding a speech for BDP. I think this was planned.

Bestoun wrote:PUK's leading member speaks at BDP ceremony, calling on Turkey to release Ocalan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... _SOVEjgNUg

Why should we show euphemism for that. Öcalan only use the PKK as a pressure against Turkey to get released. He dont care anymore about Kurds and Kurdistan, of course he can not say that openly, but he only think about how he can free his ass. He know that if he lose his power on PKK, Turkey will not need him anymore, thats why he say that Turkey should only negotiate with him and not with PKK. The PKK also say that they can end the military struggle if Öcalan gets house arrest. Its not a question of what Kurds get its a question of what Öcalan gets.

And Demirtas shows us again that they dont care about Kurdistan, he say on the BDP congress that Turkey should be divided in 20 Regions, including north Kurdistan which also should be divided in 4 or 6 regions. That is the idea of Democratic autonomy, from Öcalan which he create in the prison, maybe with Turkish influence, who knows. That is a unrealistic sytem for whole Turkey and not a system for Kurdish autonomy.

Very good speech. Dest xush Kaka Bakhtiyar.

Didn't talabani's men force him to eat shit when he was held captive by them?

force who?

The stands are not even full this is so sad, where are the kurds of Turkey ( In Ak party convention). If this was in Iran We would have kurdish party Representitives every kurdish city.

kurdistanis1 wrote:force who?

Baxtiyar.

Cewlik wrote:

Bestoun wrote:PUK's leading member speaks at BDP ceremony, calling on Turkey to release Ocalan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... _SOVEjgNUg

Why should we show euphemism for that. Öcalan only use the PKK as a pressure against Turkey to get released. He dont care anymore about Kurds and Kurdistan, of course he can not say that openly, but he only think about how he can free his ass. He know that if he lose his power on PKK, Turkey will not need him anymore, thats why he say that Turkey should only negotiate with him and not with PKK. The PKK also say that they can end the military struggle if Öcalan gets house arrest. Its not a question of what Kurds get its a question of what Öcalan gets.

And Demirtas shows us again that they dont care about Kurdistan, he say on the BDP congress that Turkey should be divided in 20 Regions, including north Kurdistan which also should be divided in 4 or 6 regions. That is the idea of Democratic autonomy, from Öcalan which he create in the prison, maybe with Turkish influence, who knows. That is a unrealistic sytem for whole Turkey and not a system for Kurdish autonomy.

Of course, it is not in your nature to fight for the release of Kurdish leaders. Had it been up to you, you would let every Kurdish leader rot in jail as soon as there is any resistance from our enemies. Tirsikci mentality. Passive mentality. Low-self esteem mentality. Not something Kurds need.

Can you find me one link where Ocalan says Turkey can '' only'' negotiate with him ( Ocalan), or is this just another lie?

Regions, communes, local authorities, valiyets, sanjaks... These are all the name for the same ruling; The people's ruling. Why should Kurds or any other people bow down to the will of a central government? Look at all the countries who have democratic autonomy: Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Germany, England. All these countries have regions ( communes and municipalities) with regional ruling and all these countries are doing very well in every sense. For example Denmark which is a very small country, has 5 regions and 98 municipalities, Norway has 747 and Sweden has almost 250. It seems, the more regions and municipalities= the more success. This is logic, as the regions are not bound to some aristocratic central laws and rules, but can make their own laws based on the regional advantages and regional disadvantages. These are still independant countries and the regions do not have independant flags or take any particular pride in being of this region or that region. Your tribal mentality makes you believe that regions= countries. If you have not noticed already, most Kurds in NK are united under KCK and they always will be even if NK was split into 100000 regions. Ocalan ( if you would care to read his books) states all the time that his system of democratic autonomy is based on mostly Scandinavian democracy and their ideas. Now, as i have said so many times, you just take his words and twist them because you hate this man for some reason and you bash everyone that stands up for him. Even using lies for your purpose.

Qonyeyi wrote:Can you find me one link where Ocalan says Turkey can '' only'' negotiate with him ( Ocalan), or is this just another lie?

Öcalan is my proof, his brother meet him and say that.

Qonyeyi wrote:Of course, it is not in your nature to fight for the release of Kurdish leaders.

No of coruse I love that PKK only fight for Öcalan, that all PKK and BDP supporters say only Biji Serok Apo, that they only demand his release. This personality cult is perfect for Turkey and for Apocis, everythink is focosed on him, They dont care about Kurdistan, they only care about the man who say after his arresting that he is Sorry for what he did and that he is a half Turk, he is a real Kurdish hero.

Qonyeyi wrote:If you have not noticed already, most Kurds in NK are united under KCK and they always will be even if NK was split into 100000 regions.

Come on bro, even if you are so ignorant, you must understand that Öcalan is lost, he will be probably isolated for the rest of his live. His failed communist ideology will go under with him. Go make a hunger strike for Öcalan, with that you and the other blind Apocis will block the Kurdish movement for the next 30 - 40 years, thank you for that.