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PostAuthor: talsor » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:11 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Kak Talsor you seem to be sceptical of most things they say. Yes I agree its talk, but we cannot just ignore or put aside everything they say. I think if Gorran are so anti-Kurd, they should be ban.


Try to attend one of their low level meetings in London (if they let you) and you will lose half of your hair :-D . All they talk about is pulling cheap stunts against KRG and which arab and turkman groups they should cooperate with . You might even see some arabs and turkmans in their meetings too .

Any threats against KRG should be taken seriously and must be investigated . All I'm saying is that it is not the case here .
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PostAuthor: talsor » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:15 am

alan131210 wrote:i dont think Gorran is "anti kurd" and this is a false claim if its made by anyone , just bcoz they have made "mistakes" that does not make them "anti kurd" if so PUK and PDK are anti kurds as well since they too have made historical mistakes !! like i have said all parties serve kurdistan in their own way , and if you guys can read Sorani there is an interview by Hawler newspaper with Gorran over the non voting against milky , they talk about why they did not vote and if anyone is a reasonable person they will agree with what he says , i was not so sure over their move but after reading the interview i know now and any of you also if interested please read to be sure .

i like all parties and i dont follow none , they all serve kurdistan in their ways , time for betraying one another is over , kurds are now opened eyed and minded ,.


Kak Alan , You did not mentioned why they did not vote to remove Almilky . I read the article and it is the the worst excuse I have ever heard . "We did not put maliki in power , PUK and KDP put hims power that is why we abstained from voting " . Seriously :lol:

what happend if we go to war with Iraq ? are they going to stand by because KDP & PUK started the war ?

All attempts by political figures in kurdistan including Barzani and Talabani to include Goran with Kurdistani list in kirkuk failed no matter what the offer was and they chose to their own way with those Islamists and you know what the end results was . if that is not anti Kurd then I do not know what it is .
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:36 am

well even pdk is taking it seriously

http://www.peyamner.com/English/PNAnews.aspx?ID=281829
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PostAuthor: talsor » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:13 am

alan131210 wrote:well even pdk is taking it seriously

http://www.peyamner.com/English/PNAnews.aspx?ID=281829


That is not PDK site and it is repeating what Rudaw is reporting .

Heval Alan

Perhaps I have been attacking Goran too much and rightly so . Unless and until they can act like a real opposition within Kurdistan and display a united front with the rest of Kurdish parties when it comes to Kurdistan they are out of my book .

The images of chaotic situation they created in Sulemeni , Their demonstration with arabs and turkman and the fiasco of election in Kirkuk are still fresh in our minds .

We should condemn action taken by ANY political party that is not in line with goals .
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:28 am

well there is nothing wrong with meeting turkmen , for eg "turkmen front party" most anti kurd party pays visit to pdk & puk on daily basis in KRG, krg also meets arabs (iraqiya) on daily basis , as long as they are not plotting anything against our national interests it is fine .. and i have to be honest now krg is not 100% perfect , it still has wide spread corruption and despite the pressure from gorran there is little too much done , if anyone of you go to krg and hire taxis for eg , go to shops and etc.. you wont hear many praising the government , if the people are not happy then gorran as an opposition will open its mouth and make themselves "the mouth piece of the people" that is why the government should focus on the mud made house in kurdistan , low income earners, disable people, and introduce a "social system" for struggling families , there are still kids on the streets who sell cigarettes,fuel and polish shoes !!! i could post some pix but i am still for krg as well.

krg is actually doing good and the whole 40 million kurds look up to it bcoz it is the only legit kurdish government we all have , but krg must eliminate corruption which it's main obstacle , throw those "masuls" in jail who steal public money/property , or the concern voice will increase and i would hate to see more demos bcoz we cant afford it .
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PostAuthor: talsor » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:01 am

alan131210 wrote:well there is nothing wrong with meeting turkmen , for eg "turkmen front party" most anti kurd party pays visit to pdk & puk on daily basis in KRG, krg also meets arabs (iraqiya) on daily basis , as long as they are not plotting anything against our national interests it is fine .. and i have to be honest now krg is not 100% perfect , it still has wide spread corruption and despite the pressure from gorran there is little too much done , if anyone of you go to krg and hire taxis for eg , go to shops and etc.. you wont hear many praising the government , if the people are not happy then gorran as an opposition will open its mouth and make themselves "the mouth piece of the people" that is why the government should focus on the mud made house in kurdistan , low income earners, disable people, and introduce a "social system" for struggling families , there are still kids on the streets who sell cigarettes,fuel and polish shoes !!! i could post some pix but i am still for krg as well.

krg is actually doing good and the whole 40 million kurds look up to it bcoz it is the only legit kurdish government we all have , but krg must eliminate corruption which it's main obstacle , throw those "masuls" in jail who steal public money/property , or the concern voice will increase and i would hate to see more demos bcoz we cant afford it .


I could not agree more heval in regard to the corruption .

honestly I do not know why people always complain so much in Kurdistan . I mean what are the issues that are impacting people's lives that KRG is not dealing with ? I have a big family back home in the south and everyone seems to be doing very well even the girls .
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:11 am

that is what i say too !! i mean look at bangladish ! look at syria ! look at iraq ! look at the eastern kurdistan! what do they want more !! i think our people are ungrateful people and do not appreciate what they have and are greedy ... eventually i think every KRG resident will become very rich once crude oil is sold and KRG gets the money directly and shares 0 with iraq (when independence is declared)..
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:16 am

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region -- Hakim Sheikh Latif, a Kurdish MP from the Change Movement (Gorran) in Iraqi Parliament, says that, in less than a year, the Iraqi government will attack the Kurdistan Region.

Latif says he has details but cannot reveal them to the public.

Under Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s leadership, the Iraqi army has been equipped with heavy weaponry. The government is currently looking to purchase 36 F16 fighters, worth US$32 billion.

According to statistics, the Iraqi army has half a million soldiers who report to Maliki, the chief commander.

Latif points out that a strong Iraqi army is dangerous for the Kurds and says, “Sadly, under the new Iraqi government, Kurds are still not guaranteed that the Iraqi army will not do what the former army did in Kurdistan.”

The MP believes that what the current prime minister is doing now is not much different from the Baath regime’s early steps, and that Maliki is arming Iraqi forces in order to impose his power.

“My words are the result of certain things I have seen and heard in Baghdad,” Latif said, emphasizing to Rudaw that there was no personal motivation behind his statements.

“I do not know what day exactly, but in maybe less than a year the Iraqi government will attack the Kurdistan Region,” he added.

Najiba Najib, a member of the finance committee in Iraqi Parliament, told Rudaw, “The Iraqi government has allocated 17.1 trillion Iraqi dinars from the budget for defense expenditures. The government is to allocate another 1 trillion Iraqi dinars (nearly US$1 billion) from the complementary budget to the Ministry of Defense.”

Najib also revealed that “Maliki has suggested setting up a finance box, outside the Iraqi budget, for the purchase of heavy weaponry.”

Hassan Jihad, an MP from the Kurdistan Alliance and member of Iraqi Parliament’s security and defense committee, said that the Iraqi government does not notify his committee when buying or signing arms deals.

Latif believes the building up of the army is being done for one purpose. “The Iraqi government believes the Kurdistan Region has taken double its rights,” he says.

“There are several things that pose real threats [to Kurdistan]. I cannot talk about these things to the newspapers. I will inform my party [Gorran] about them,” the MP added.

In the recent attempts to remove Maliki from his post, Gorran MPs have remained neutral, not signing the petition for a non-confidence motion that opponents tried to bring to parliament at the beginning of June.

Latif points to several areas he believes the Kurdish leadership should work on before Maliki carries out his attack. Kurds need to prepare by uniting themselves, carrying out reforms and eradicating corruption, he says.

He adds, “We have to defuse the plans and attempts made against the Kurds. We have to inform our allies about the issue and ask for support.”

Besides arming Iraqi forces, Maliki is also working on creating armed units for the Arab tribes in Kirkuk. After his visit to disputed area, Maliki promised tribal leaders that he would establish “support groups” for them.

Ahmed Askari, head of the security committee in Kirkuk Provincial Council, told Rudaw, “We have not received any formal notice, but during his visit to Kirkuk Maliki promised the Arab tribes and several Arab Sunni parties that he would help them with financing and arms. Maliki promised to create awakening council forces for them.”

Askari, a member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), adds, “Creating such forces will not benefit the public. If one group is helped in becoming armed, other groups will arm themselves. This, eventually, will put the security of the region in danger.”

Najib says the “support groups” and “awakening forces” are being directly paid for by Maliki’s office. The budget allocated to the “awakening forces” is 400 billion Iraqi dinars.

she adds, “These forces do not report to the Ministry of Defense; they report to Maliki’s office directly. This is very dangerous. Maliki is placing all these forces under his own command.”

Najib also believes an Iraqi army attack on Kurdistan is possible. “It is not impossible that the army is being equipped to attack Kurds,” he says.

According to statistics from the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, of the country’s half a million soldiers, 70 percent are Shia, 25 percent are Sunni and 5 percent are Kurdish. The commanders of all 21 army divisions are appointed by Maliki. Only two division commanders are Kurdish.

One of the critiques against Maliki is that, when appointing division commanders, he did not seek parliament’s approval. He appointed them unilaterally.

A Kurdish brigadier general, who spoke to Rudaw on the condition of anonymity, said, “Maliki is doing all he can to eliminate the Kurdish presence in the Iraqi army, or at least weaken it.”

He added that, in order to eliminate Kurdish officers from having any authority, Maliki issued a decree two months ago to remove General Anwar Muhammad, the chief commander of the Iraqi Air Force, from his post. Maliki divided the air force into two units, moving Muhammad to the air defense unit and placing a Shia general in command of the air force unit.

Regarding the military capability of the Iraqi army, the Kurdish brigadier general said, “In order to carry out an attack, the Iraqi government needs six to eight months of research. However, any military movement, even if it involves moving forces from Basra to Kurdistan Region borders, only requires 25 days.”

He added, “Iraq has more than 20 divisions, all trained by the Americans. But the Kurdistan Region does not have even one division.”

Regarding the capability of Peshmerga troops to respond to Iraqi army attacks, the Kurdish brigadier general said, “The Kurdistan Region has 16 brigadiers, and only eight of these are united. The Kurdish forces could not face the Iraqi army in plain landscapes. The Iraqi army has advanced weaponry and modern training.”

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Re: Gorran MP : Iraq will attack Kurdistan in one year

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:06 pm

goran is using western understanding of democracy for the most undemocratic region in the world. the middle east with all of this arab-dictator-countrys and chauvinists people, including turks and persians lol

what they have to understand is, kurds can never ally with them, they dont want be free and live in democracy, what they incidantelly have in kurdistan, they only cant tolerate that kurdistan is free and lives in peace, so they try to topple the kurdish government or rather, they want to destroy our self-administration.

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PostAuthor: crazyhorse » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:21 pm

There are like 100,000 dirty Arab camel fuckers in South-Kurdistan. If the Arabs attack, I'm sure the Kurdish population will kill every single one of them motherfuckers, even without orders from the Peshmerga HQ. Whaha

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PostAuthor: Rando » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:35 pm

no matter how many big toys they have,if they are not orginaized they will lose. history have proven this so many times.
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Re: Gorran MP : Iraq will attack Kurdistan in one year

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:13 pm

alan131210 wrote:well there is nothing wrong with meeting turkmen , for eg "turkmen front party" most anti kurd party pays visit to pdk & puk on daily basis in KRG, krg also meets arabs (iraqiya) on daily basis , as long as they are not plotting anything against our national interests it is fine .. and i have to be honest now krg is not 100% perfect , it still has wide spread corruption and despite the pressure from gorran there is little too much done , if anyone of you go to krg and hire taxis for eg , go to shops and etc.. you wont hear many praising the government , if the people are not happy then gorran as an opposition will open its mouth and make themselves "the mouth piece of the people" that is why the government should focus on the mud made house in kurdistan , low income earners, disable people, and introduce a "social system" for struggling families , there are still kids on the streets who sell cigarettes,fuel and polish shoes !!! i could post some pix but i am still for krg as well.

krg is actually doing good and the whole 40 million kurds look up to it bcoz it is the only legit kurdish government we all have , but krg must eliminate corruption which it's main obstacle , throw those "masuls" in jail who steal public money/property , or the concern voice will increase and i would hate to see more demos bcoz we cant afford it .


I agree on the corruption part but in "meeting with non Kurdish parties" I have a different opinion. Look KRG is the OFFICIAL representative of South Kurdistan. They are the elected leading Party. THEY HAVE to meet with our neighbors like Iran , Turkey and Arabs to make deals BUT for what is Gorran meeting with Iranians and Arabs? They arent responsible for economy or anything else. They can do pressure on KRG by using their votes but they dont need to ally with our enemies. This is my only concern about Gorran. Otherwise its good and pretty normal to have opposition.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:24 pm

Yeah I agree like I said if its to hit our national interests then they must be stopped I am sure KRG knows better if they think it's causing harm they will voice their concerns to then
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Re: Gorran MP : Iraq will attack Kurdistan in one year

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:26 pm

Rando wrote:no matter how many big toys they have,if they are not orginaized they will lose. history have proven this so many times.


To Saddams time they had twice or three the size of heavy weapons they have today and Kurdistan didnt even had 1/10 of what they have today still Saddam couldnt control Kurdistan and they got beaten many times. Now let them try to attack a much more modernized Kurdish army. I think it is good that this was published early enough. This is the second of such kind news. KRG will not sit still and watch Maliki arming his Militia.

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Re: Gorran MP : Iraq will attack Kurdistan in one year

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:58 pm

Kurdistano wrote:
Rando wrote:no matter how many big toys they have,if they are not orginaized they will lose. history have proven this so many times.


To Saddams time they had twice or three the size of heavy weapons they have today and Kurdistan didnt even had 1/10 of what they have today still Saddam couldnt control Kurdistan and they got beaten many times. Now let them try to attack a much more modernized Kurdish army. I think it is good that this was published early enough. This is the second of such kind news. KRG will not sit still and watch Maliki arming his Militia.


kurds had a no-fly-zone and they fought in guerrilia tactics. actually we have no no-fly-zone and our army is a big target and no longer flexible (not mobile).
i hope kurdistan has modern anti-air-weapons-technologie from usa.

then they should buy so many downgraded f-16 they want, we will shoot down like assad with the turkish-jet :-D
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