Dêrik - Aljazeera's report on western kurdsitan

[Piling]

At last,a report and pictures that show PYD partisans destroy Asad's portraits. I wonder why they prevent others to do it since the beginning of the uprising but it is a positive step, by the way , late is better than never :

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpict ... 03960.html

[dyaoko]

Photos by Giulio Petrocco/Al Jazeera






Kurds celebrate pushing government troops out of a city northern Syria.


Kurdish activists bashed the face of a statue of former Syrian President Hafez al-Assad with hammers.

Kurdish residents of northern Syria celebrate after Syrian troops withdraw from a city.

[Qonyeyi]

At last,a report and pictures that show PYD partisans destroy Asad's portraits. I wonder why they prevent others to do it since the beginning of the uprising but it is a positive step, by the way , late is better than never :

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpict ... 03960.html

Wait!? But i thought PYD CO OPERATED with Assad. Do you destroy the statues and portraits of the one you co operate with? Hmm.

[Anthea]

Thank you Piling excellent photos of HAPPY FREE KURDS

[Nubahar]

the Kurdstan must to be freeeeeeeee. no way

[Piling]

Wait!? But i thought PYD CO OPERATED with Assad. Do you destroy the statues and portraits of the one you co operate with? Hmm.

Well they have changed their mind as usually (they change of political line all the time ; one month : one new diplomatic line, as in 1984 of Orwell ) . I think it could be related to several recent facts :

– FSA progress toward Kurdish areas : then they could have realized suddenly than being trapped between Turks and FSA could not be really good : not a good time for opening schools, organizing feminist committee, etc.
- The recent statement of Karayilan and his sudden solidarity about KRG conflict against Maliki could mean that at the end PKK realizes that the side of Bashar-Maliki-Iran could not be the good bet on the good horse. And suddenly they remember the agreement of Erbil.
- †he recent statement of Erdoğan about possible new negotiations with the PKK : they might have seen a chance to settle in the Western Kurdish areas if they don't attack Turkish borders.
- And also perhaps these political genius have seen that all Western countries, and especially USA, are ready to recognize the opposition in Syria and Kurds if they join the opponents :

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-pushe ... 47710.html

Now they have only to let enter Peshmerga in Syria…

[Bahoz]

Piling,

the fact is that PYD play the game very well! and thats how Kurds should do! PYD was not on regime side! this is what people like you thought who doesn't know how politics works in WK. so you need to really dig deep into WK society and how people live and struggle there. and you need also to look at how parties operate in WK.
PYD play good political game! and in the same time strengthen kurds on the ground. this is what we want! We don't want be fuel for opposition to fight the regime! we know both sides are our enemies! BOTH are against our rights and wishes. so why not take advantage of the situation! ...

[hevalo27]

Piling,

the fact is that PYD play the game very well! and thats how Kurds should do! PYD was not on regime side! this is what people like you thought who doesn't know how politics works in WK. so you need to really dig deep into WK society and how people live and struggle there. and you need also to look at how parties operate in WK.
PYD play good political game! and in the same time strengthen kurds on the ground. this is what we want! We don't want be fuel for opposition to fight the regime! we know both sides are our enemies! BOTH are against our rights and wishes. so why not take advantage of the situation! ...

exactly

[Piling]

I don't see how you could take advantage of situation if you are crushed between FSA and Turkey. There are no high mountains in W. Kurdistan. And USA won't help you against FSA. PYD can't keep the country by itself. But the main point is after the war. When Baath fall, what is PYD going if it refuse to be a part of Syria ? Claim independence of W. Kurdistan ?

And if there are free elections in W.K, what will PYD do in case it lost these elections ? As PUK in 1992 ? A civil war ?

And if it win such election and achieve to rule all the W.Kurdistan, what will happen considering its organic dependency to PKK ? Ruling under the order of PKK or in the interests of W. Kurds ? For example, will they launch attacks against Turkey from the Syrian border, giving an excuse to Turkey to invade W.K if Qandil ask it ?

So the main issue is not during the war but after the war and what will be the political future of Western Kurds. They could not be afraid by an 'FSA invasion' as so long as Arabs fight each others (and they could fight a long time for power, as they did in Iraq). In fact the main danger is a possible civil war between Kurds and the main issue is how all Kurdish parties are going to deal together with the new situation. Claiming 'UNITY of Kurds' is useless if it means 'Follow my leader, my flag and my party or you are traitors and I will kill you'.

[Bahoz]

the problem again is your wishes and assumptions! what if and where if ect.. is something and reality on ground is something els!
world is not like 30 years ago when nobody knew what is going in in Kurdistan.. today world is small villege! world can see whats going on everywhere! we are not crushed beween FSA and turkey. you must know that Turkey is crushed right now! turkey is in fear! Turkey is shaking! Turkey is playing the same old game of religion to control the area but hell not this time you ottoman ..time is not 500 years ago! it is 2012 where people have capabilities to make changes. and why do you conclude US will not help against FSA? for God sake didn't you see how Hilary Clinton gave hard speech to opposition before their conformance in Doha? didn't you see how she slapped the opposition ebcauseit doesn't represent all syrian people? so enough and enough with your dreams ..make some facts please ..time has changed! we are not crushed anywhere! we smash right now for your info!

so please enough with your IF and MEF

Erdogan is asking PKK for talks! who do you think is in power now?

[Piling]

Erdogan is asking PKK for talks! who do you think is in power now?

Erdogan, MIT and Öcalan. I guess that Qandil has a sour smile. But I don't care of Qandil. You say my vision of Kurdistan is old of 30 years ? Lol, then Qandil leaders are Prehistoric ppl when you listen to them. And what say about Salih Muslim who seems to have slept in a freezer since 70s ?

Concerning the fact if Öcalan will negotiate in the interests of Kurds, no i don't think it is his own priority. He has never done it before, so I don't think he will change. And of course he will let the PYD and Kurds from Syria to their own fate facing FSA or Islamists as soon as he will pass an agreement with Turkey. But it might bot be be the worst thing that can happen to Western Kurds.

[Bahoz]

so sounds like your problem is with PKK and Oclan, sounds like Oclan and PKK invaded France and occupied France!! you talk like situation in Kurdistan is like Paris! you forget the bloody deadly history of French revolution. and if it was not revolution probably you wouldn't have that good life today!

let me tell you this so that you learn little bit of NK and WK history! if it was not Oclan and PKK. Kurds would be in deep sleep and you wouldn't see Kurds asking for their rights in NK and WK today! PKK and Oclan are kurds and whether you like it or not they are us and we will respect them! They don't have to be angels ...and they don't have to be perfect! they do their best the way they think it is good for Kurds! you don't have to understand how it works in NK and WK ..probably because you didn't experience how it feels like to be under others control!

you talk about Oclan and PKK and you forget what kind of enemy they face! you don't mention that they resist and fight the Ottoman empire! the most racist regime in the middle east who want you to wake up turkish and sleep turkish and eat turkish! yo udon't mention the situation when PKK was formed and what conditions were control the struggle! do you know why? because you enjoy free France. it is easy to forget and assume..

so for your info .hope you can digest it! Oclan is Kurds leader..digest it ..PKK is Kurdish people! they are not coming from Mars! you can be good french and support Kurds regardless of how they are or you can just watch and be silent ..otherwise you stand against Kurds right...and don't sing democracy for Kurds ..when we have kurdistan free and united you are more than welcome to discuss democracy ..

[hevalo27]

haha wonderful

[Qonyeyi]

Wait!? But i thought PYD CO OPERATED with Assad. Do you destroy the statues and portraits of the one you co operate with? Hmm.

Well they have changed their mind as usually (they change of political line all the time ; one month : one new diplomatic line, as in 1984 of Orwell ) . I think it could be related to several recent facts :

– FSA progress toward Kurdish areas : then they could have realized suddenly than being trapped between Turks and FSA could not be really good : not a good time for opening schools, organizing feminist committee, etc.
- The recent statement of Karayilan and his sudden solidarity about KRG conflict against Maliki could mean that at the end PKK realizes that the side of Bashar-Maliki-Iran could not be the good bet on the good horse. And suddenly they remember the agreement of Erbil.
- †he recent statement of Erdoğan about possible new negotiations with the PKK : they might have seen a chance to settle in the Western Kurdish areas if they don't attack Turkish borders.
- And also perhaps these political genius have seen that all Western countries, and especially USA, are ready to recognize the opposition in Syria and Kurds if they join the opponents :

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-pushe ... 47710.html

Now they have only to let enter Peshmerga in Syria…

Awww how I love these strawmen! How does it feel Piling? You were SO SURE they were in co operation with Assad. Did it all fall apart all of sudden?

PKK has always supported Peshmerga. I can find you several other sources where PKK openly claims support of Peshmerga. Also pre-Syria war sources.

Yes yes, I am eagerly waiting for your next strawmen. Hit me!

For example, will they launch attacks against Turkey from the Syrian border, giving an excuse to Turkey to invade W.K if Qandil ask it ?

I am just curious. When was the last time Qandil ordered PYD to do anything?

[Piling]

When was the last time Qandil ordered PYD to do anything?

PYD is just puppet of 'holy PKK' (as user Fire said in another post) and its God is Öcalan also.

And concerning the change of policy of PYD why they attacked other Kurdish demonstrations against Baath before, if they did not support Baath at this time, and if they did support ALWAYS rebellion ? Just look at KurdWatch.org reports since the beginning of events. They broke demonstrations in Kurdish areas while Army did not move.

But now they perhaps realize that the Baath is the loser and they begin to feel the fire of war near to heir asses … So suddenly they discover they are great patriots. Until the next change.

Concerning love of Qandil for KRG, remember that in 2003, PKK was against American operation and Öcalan said many times that he was AGAINST independency of S.K. (and Barzani and Talabani are traitors, etc). It was the period when he said that Atatürk was a great man and when Leyla Zana shout that Turks and Kurds are BROTHERS (in 2004 May), when she wrote to Green MP of UE parliament to stop 'to come for a show' by pretending talking about Human Rights in Turkey, and when she wrote to William Schultz (Amnesty International) because he stated against Turkey. It was the line "Brotherhood with Turkey'.

The funniest is that in the same time, Karayilan threatened KRG if they ally with Turkey (only Öcalan had this right). But Karayilan was in Qandil and worried for Turkish attacks in mountains while Öcalan did not care.

And in December 2004, some Kurdish personalities and intellectuals from Turkey and in exile launched a petition asking autonomy for N. Kurdistan. At first Leyla Zana signed it, but then Öcalan stated against that, and so she turned her words, saying that she did sign without reading it, and that Kurds in Turkey did NOT WANT ANY AUTONOMY NOR FEDERALISM and the people behind the claim were traitors, etc,. In 2004 AUTONOMY or FEDERALISM were EVIL.

Then some years later, they changed and suddenly AUTONOMY and FEDERALISM is that the PKK had ALWAYS asked in Turkey : the great solution everywhere.

So they could change each week of political lines, between Qandil, PKK, BDP, Öcalan, there are many occasion of contradictions. If W. Kurds trust them they have poor memories or they know nothing (like you) about the past of this party.