Map of kurdistan

[alan131210]

http://www.kurd.org/doc/OLeary_SLIDES.pdf

[Guti]

actually Badra is south to Mandali and is Kurdish.

[alan131210]

Ottoman Kurdistan

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[alan131210]

[alan131210]

According to USA military, but this map also shows bigger kurdistan than reality, Tabriz(Iran Azeris city) and Artvin(black sea cost) which is definitely unrelated with Kurdish culture or historical Kurdistan are in Kurdistan)

[Guti]

yea exactly the last map is just crazy..

[Kurdistano]

yea exactly the last map is just crazy..

not really you are simply forgetting one important point. it doesnt matter if we make the majority but if its better in geopolitical way. its in western interest when kurdistan has connection to blacksea. and you both are wrong artvin traditionally has a large kurdish population (20-30%)

[Guti]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

[Kurdistano]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

access to Mediterranean is cool but overrated imo. Access to Blacksea could also mean access to the mediterranean.

[Guti]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

access to Mediterranean is cool but overrated imo. Access to Blacksea could also mean access to the mediterranean.

Getting access to Black sea is impossible and ships have to go through Istanbul.. Not a good idea.. Kurdistan can mange it without access to sea because of the oil and gas..

[Azamat]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

access to Mediterranean is cool but overrated imo. Access to Blacksea could also mean access to the mediterranean.

Getting access to Black sea is impossible and ships have to go through Istanbul.. Not a good idea.. Kurdistan can mange it without access to sea because of the oil and gas..

*Sigh*

Anyone with at least some common knowledge of geopolics knows that that is not a good idea either.

BTW, it's not just about material goods, it's also about Kurdistan's importance and prestige that is defined by its borders. For instance, enemies would think twice before attacking our country if it has a Navy, the combat modality which landlocked countries cannot have. It also enables us to various research fields, like maritime, arctic, you name it. Having a coastline is the dividing line between being an influential regional power and a hopeless pit, like Armenia.

[Guti]

Anyone with at least some common knowledge of geopolics knows that that is not a good idea either.

Why isn't? New pipelines are being build in Russia and Turkey to EU.. KRG will use them..

[Azamat]

Anyone with at least some common knowledge of geopolics knows that that is not a good idea either.

Why isn't? New pipelines are being build in Russia and Turkey to EU.. KRG will use them..

I edited my post. Read again.

[Azamat]

access to the Mediterranean sea is much better.. Anyway Kurdistan can also manage if it's landlocked..

access to Mediterranean is cool but overrated imo. Access to Blacksea could also mean access to the mediterranean.

I'm not above a little bit of expansionism, if the consideration could mean something positive. But I wouldn't feel that comfortable about claiming some parts of the Pontic coastline. As you probably know, this is the historical homeland of the Laz people. I realise that they are highly limited in numbers, and don't have a nationalistic movement yet, but such a sentiment is rising among them and their status as an 'assimilated' people may change in the future. If so, they could make a highly beneficial ally, both for Black Sea trade and joining forces against Armenian irredentism. So maybe it's better to keep our hands off this land.

[Azamat]

Anyone with at least some common knowledge of geopolics knows that that is not a good idea either.

Why isn't? New pipelines are being build in Russia and Turkey to EU.. KRG will use them..

The revenue from oil export to greedy capitalist countries will not at all equate to what we are entitled to. Just look at all those failed Arab states to consider my point of view. Did they experience the 'Great Leap Forward' from years of resource drainage, the method to national advancement which we are so desparate at using for? I don't think so.

Let's not become another failed Arab state, and be the spearheaders of change in the Middle East. This will be of a highly positive effect for our prestige in the West.